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 Stock Market V.43, Hibernation Time for Bears

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cherroy
post Nov 3 2009, 11:27 AM

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Market is playing with dangerous game, gorenging PN17 counters.
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post Nov 3 2009, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 3 2009, 02:51 PM)
Day of the Penny Stocks..... Revenge of the PN17....  blink.gif
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Revenge?

Hope not a PN17 trap then.


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post Nov 3 2009, 03:18 PM

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If goreng Lityan, go to toilet also cannot, price swing so drastically even within second.

The toilet time can be costly as well. laugh.gif

The screen not showing blink blink like most counter but the counter 'light up' constantly, and seeing price change differentiate more than 5 cents without any blink (because no time to blink).
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post Nov 3 2009, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Nov 3 2009, 03:18 PM)
LITYAN casino? anyone... Looking at 274/275 for quick roll..
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This is not casino, but Russian roulette.
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post Nov 3 2009, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 3 2009, 03:41 PM)
i'm also thinking of the rationale of a reverse split..

make their stock less liquid ?
easier to control because there are less shares to play with ?
so that their price will still got room to fall ? laugh.gif
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This is about capital reduction exercise.


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post Nov 3 2009, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 3 2009, 03:52 PM)
ohh ic.. but how ? please explain if u dont mind....  ty~~~ laugh.gif  notworthy.gif

Stock A:
Price: 0.50 Issued Shares: 100,000
does a reverse split of 2:1
so after split will be:
Price: 1.00 Issued Shares: 50,000

The capital is still the same right ?
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The capital reduction issue is different than ordinary stock reverse split

Eg.
Previously the company has RM1 par value of 8 millions share.
Now company carries out capital reduction exercise, it cancels 0.875 of the par value, so par value become Rm0.125, afterwards, it under reverse split from the Rm0.125 par value back to Rm1.00 with reserve split of 8:1, so that Par value is back to Rm1.00.

So previously you have 8 shares of Rm1 par value, now become 1 share with RM1 par value.

Although share price will be adjusted accordingly, the value of worth of the share is different already.

Share price is not the same with share worth. The price adjustment in the stock market is about reference price, just like stock price being deducted for dividend payout. It never reflect the real value of the share, it is a reference price only.

If solely look at share price, yes, it makes little different, but for value, worth of intrinsic of it, totally different.

For ordinary and purely reverse split, yes, nothing different. Just like AIG one.

Need to separate for ordinary reverse split, with reverse split because of capital reduction. 2 different things.
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QUOTE(shoduken @ Nov 3 2009, 04:11 PM)
E&O good buy? =D

I sell jor Lityan twice today, once at 3.170 and remaining at 2.750, I guess the UMA saved me!! ROFL..
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Once UMA comes out, then they need to 'put down' the fire goreng a bit.

As continue to goreng fiercely, KLSE may impose designated status, which goreng syndicate doesn't want to see it.
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QUOTE(freddie @ Nov 3 2009, 04:22 PM)
wow... goreng up and down... i thought it would have limit down but... looks like it's going up now.
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The movement is totally unpredictable, depended on the willingness of goreng only, so russian roulette suit to the description. tongue.gif
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post Nov 3 2009, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Nov 3 2009, 04:35 PM)
Lityan kena suspend???
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Yup, suspended because need to reply the UMA. whistling.gif
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post Nov 3 2009, 04:39 PM

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They gave some reason why share price up biggrin.gif
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However the Board is of the view that the market or public has full confidence
in the Company upon the implementation of the Restructuring Scheme. Hence, the
recent interest in the Company's shares may be due to the fact that the
Company is now a 65% subsidiary of Lembaga Tabung Haji ("LTH"), making it a
Government-Linked Company ("GLC"). The Company is also one of the three listed
subsidiaries of LTH.
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post Nov 3 2009, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Nov 3 2009, 04:43 PM)
Then go for the other 2 counters that LTH hold loh tongue.gif
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Next goreng theme, GLC, LTH linked? whistling.gif
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post Nov 4 2009, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 4 2009, 09:26 AM)
Any specific reason why HLbank is moving up aggressively for the past few months?
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EPF buying a lot lately.
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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:06 PM)
if one point = RM 50, then you loss and gain will be capped at 70 points right?


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There is no cap on gain and loss side, just you will face margin call (to top up for the loss) if the fall below the maintenance margin level.

Rm 3500 (which vary from time to time) is the initial margin one has to put in for owning the contract.

You can lose Rm35K with Rm3500 as starting point. Unlike stock, you put Rm3500, the max you lose is Rm3500, futures is unlimited.

For long side 1240 x 50 = Rm62K max you can lose,
For short, sky is the limit.

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:27 PM)
what happens if I don't top up for the margin call?

Will the loss be limited?
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Investment bank will force sell/buy your contract.
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:51 PM

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Somebody sapu Tanjong.
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:59 PM

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Just to share, I came across a new/article in thestar just now.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...89&sec=business
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In light of the query by the stock exchange on Lityan’s share surge and the resumption in the upward charge of the stock yesterday, I wonder if investors are getting carried away once again.

Maybe investors should decipher this piece of news: Lityan’s managing director and CEO sold all of his 1.25 million shares in Lityan at RM3.13 a share on Tuesday.



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post Nov 5 2009, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 5 2009, 03:35 PM)
yeah... if can get at 80cents then 6.5cents dividend is about 8% yield.. Not the best among REITS.. but i like their properties.. haha
all the upmarket stuffs...  doh.gif
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But need to consider Stareit is highly liquid and its properties lease issue is more stable than other.


QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 5 2009, 03:37 PM)
i hope Rambutan can really break 16.00 this time... gathered enough rocket fuel..

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This rocket always pancit at 16.00 or near 16.00 one. laugh.gif
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post Nov 5 2009, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 5 2009, 03:54 PM)
Meaning is good or bad?
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Highly liquid - good - easy to buy and sell.

Lease more stable - good (but in booming time, no good, as you don't have chance to increase rental)
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post Nov 5 2009, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 5 2009, 04:08 PM)
yah.. bulls eye...  notworthy.gif
i looked at their properties..
Almost all the titles are Freehold. The next that is going to expire is 2076 (Lot10). On top of that, they either rent to Luxury brand or YTL subsidiaries.. the money is like passing from left to right hand.. so i think it is pretty safe.. Unless *touchwood* something bad happens to YTL..

Cherroy, what is your opinion if rambutan really splits like what is said in the Maybank paper ?  notworthy.gif  it is only a speculation now..
After doing a search i found out that it has been mentioned before in 2007
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...24&sec=business
Starhill Gallery , JW Marriot.. wahh how i wish Stareit/YTL owns Pavilion too!! brows.gif
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To add one thing is that those properties (Stareit owned) are in golden triangle area, which is highly demanded, unlike some others office building may be more outskirt area which might not easy to find tenants for filling up fully the vacant space and properties in 'golden area' tends to appreciate more than others.

This is old news/story already, which don't think it will. There is no incentive for it (to unlock the value) as company is not short of cash nor must see its share price reflect its valuation.

Yes, it is good for shareholders/investors for company to unlock some potential or intrinsic value of the company, but as long term investors and company management side, it makes little different.

A company share price stay undervalued has one good thing that is if you have free cash time, you have chance to buy.

If a company is making steady profit and give those profit as good dividend to shareholders, then it is good enough for the shareholders. You look for the company profit sharing, but not look at daily share price, although we did and concern a lot, haha.
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Nov 5 2009, 04:12 PM)
If that the case, we should goreng China stocks mar. Must  show them we support their counters  laugh.gif
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Msport?
Huaan?
Xinquan?

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