Discussable? XD
sure discussable.. but is it the right place??? ahaha....

i think malaysians need to be train for emergency.. eg.. when in public, an alarm broke, people would just ignore it until it explodes....

am i right? what would you do if your in midvalley and alarm went off non stop?

Do you want to talk about Corporate Governance in regards of whistle blowing policy?

Regards, Joey

yes... announcement would be the keyword instead of ringgg........ wee woo wee woo.....

so it seems like this thread is more on ethical... future of your job which you built for decades or life of people??

How far would you want to take the case? Such incidences can be brought into Court for hearing.

In addition, you can do some reading on Jeffrey Wigand (tobacco case). I've lost the folio which I did back during my Univ time. It's a very good argumentative topic. It challenging as well because it provokes multiple angles thinking and evaluation from each and every possible outcome.

Regards, Joey

which major? mechanical?? local U??

I must admit that we studied the same but doc and lawyer get better reputations...

I think,it's always ethics first,than my job.

If a structure fails,people get killed or get injured.That would put you in even bigger trouble than losing your job,like you can practise anymore or get jailed.

I havent done ethics yet,though.
Thats true,we have to work like a horse and get paid with some peanuts.

Engineering isnt really a glamorous job,to be honest.Still,it's the cool stuff you do/learn makes it fun.

I did read about a few cases on large scale failures,like a huge concrete dam collapse and flooded a few village because someone didnt report on the rock toe failure.

Like what my dean said last time,save the world.


True.It's always cooler than "Objection" since day 1.

Since you can save people,like preventing bad stuff from happening to them,i think you should be capable enough to save yourself too,right?

If not,consult someone who can save you?

For our local scene, does this ring a bell?

"Whistle blower will surface only at a Royal Commission of Inquiry".

Regards, Joey

~lynn~,

Your conscience.

What does doing the RIGHT thing has anything to do with HONOR??

You either do the RIGHT thing or you will face the consequences from God or Karma.  There is NO ESCAPE.  And, you do not have to wait for judgment day either.

Treat others like how you like to treated.
The Golden Rule

You build a bridge that last.  You hope that people will return the favor so that when you walk under a bridge, it will not collapse on top of you.  This is how the world works.  If people STOP doing the RIGHT thing, they cannot expect OTHERS to do the same.  We have MUTUAL RESPONSIBILITY to each other.

You do not need to believe in any religion to understand this.

Dreamer

Before a person blows the whistle he should first be extremely aware of how things work in the circumstances and situation he is in.

Let's have a hypothetical example: where the mass media is controlled by the government, or by people and persons with vested interests, and where the line between politics and business is blurred and the two are in fact connected, where there are no regulatory mechanisms or branches of government separate from one another.

There would simply be no "official", safe, legal way to whistleblow because there is no meaningful protection given.

And if there is no protection given to whistleblowers, that is because people WANT it kept that way. The public, simply have no say, because they have divested their say to people they have "entrusted" to take care of them.

This does not mean that it is not possible to blow the whistle. This only means that blowing the whistle will become more akin to espionage, because in the end that is what it is: the leaking of secrets into the public domain when that is proscribed, and the penalty for sabotage, even if in the best interests, would be very severe.

Nothing if you feel nothing could be done. As simply as that. The decision to make is basically in your hands.

Regards, Joey

Should, would, could. All the ifs. Yes, it should exist, but will it? No.

The world is a fickle place, and people just want money money money.

Laws of Malaysia (Act 588) Communications and Multimedia Act 1998. I cannot write much here but it helps if you read through it and understand it.

Regards, Joey

Dickson Poon,

Who say that karma and God only affect a person ONLY after they die??

This is WHAT people choose to believe in order to hope that they can escape the PUNISHMENT.  But, they have NO ESCAPE.

Dreamer

A law alone isn't enough... in a hypothetical country where its richest and most powerful have their fingers in all branches of government including the security apparatus, the problem is that these people collude with one another to circumvent laws and public interest.
I don't see Dubya and Blair getting punished so far. These two men have done far worse than you or I ever could.

Keep on believing that fantasy if it helps you sleep better.

Well, in all cases society is perverted and skewered in such a way that, even had I done much good for the benefit of everyone, the most I'd get is a "I couldn't care less what YOU did". Being of good moral fibre exists in such a minority sometimes, and everyone else (even those who are "morally good") are just out to save their own skins. Admit it, we're all selfish to that extent. Mother Teresa's don't exist nowadays..

One question:
Under Human Resource Management spectrum, is there a whistle-blowing policy and procedure document to be signed? Something related to provisional step by step instruction on how to proceed in the event that an employee wishes to make a whistle-blowing complaint. Your company have that sort of thing?

Regards, Joey

p.s: It will provide legislative and organisational assurances of support if you happened to whistle blow.

whistle blowing is an act by an employee to inform higher management or the public about unethical or illegal behavior of an employer or supervisor (which also included product which is unsafe like what you want us to discuss). It divide into 3 which are internal, external and also anonymous/acknowledge.

How do you know when you should do whistle blowing?
- when you should (morally permissible) when
need: a clear important harm can be avoided
proximity: in a clear position to report the problem
probability: higher chance of success
last resort: no one can do it other than you

- when you must (morally obligatory)
four point in morally permissible are met
and the problem give imminent danger to a person if it continue

in corporate point of view, whistle blowing is undesirable because it can create distrust, disharmony, lead to inability to work in team and also threat of violence

As an engineer, you have professional code of conducts and if you know something is obviously wrong but decided to keep quiet, you are equally guilty of the mistake.  Also, most whistle blowing act should stop internally because it is in the interest of the company to rectify the problem else they'll get themselves sued into oblivion. 

I can't recall which program this was on, but there was once a plane crash due to an inherently unsafe component/maintenance procedure.  The engineer responsible flagged the issue up but it was ignored by the company due to additional cost. 

In the UK, there are laws, such as this http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2007/ukpga_20070019_en_1 which would require companies to be responsible.

It doesn't take a University graduate to know such statement. Nonetheless, you are correct with your assumption. There's a separate document that you need to signed, besides your acknowledgment of Appointment Letter or any relevant documents.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Only a selected few companies in Malaysia that have this "whistle blowing" policy and procedure documents.