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noobie1
post Dec 31 2009, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Monster Hunter G @ Dec 31 2009, 08:03 PM)
Anyone mind clarifying is the Razer Deathadder (The latest one with the 3G sensor) an optical, laser or Infrared mouse? Some sources I read mention that Laser and Infrared are the same thing in mice so I assume it must be a laser mice however many retailers list it as an optical mouse with a better optical sensor with the enhanced technology made by Razer.

Another thing I quite baffling is that some people in gaming communities seem to argue that optical sensor based mice are superior to Laser based one. But most technical site and even gaming peripheral manufacturers seems to point otherwise.
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can u tell me the diff of optical and infrared?? i tot they are the same??

QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Dec 31 2009, 08:38 PM)
laser sensor produce less heat compared to the infrared sensor. thats my experience with the difference between 3g infrared and 3.5g laser sensor.
as for laser sensor, even the vibration of my phone will affect my mouse.
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not all laser mouse act like that...tongue.gif
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post Dec 31 2009, 11:47 PM

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nani?? hahaa.. means what in japanese... hmm... what laser mouse produce more heat than infrared mouse o? try give one or two example.. hehe..
but all razer mice are the same rite? same as in laser will always produce less heat than infrared?
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Dec 31 2009, 08:38 PM)
laser sensor produce less heat compared to the infrared sensor. thats my experience with the difference between 3g infrared and 3.5g laser sensor.
as for laser sensor, even the vibration of my phone will affect my mouse.
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mistaken what i mean...
i mean the vibration thing...=)
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post Jan 1 2010, 12:07 AM

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owh.... oops! sorry my eyes don noe look at wat =.=" HAPPY RAZER NEW YEAR GUYS!
go join razer fan at facebook and make it an epic of 70000 fans by 2010 xD
haha sory guys if i made any mistake or hurt anyone here... =D
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Happy New year to Razer fans. I getting love Razer mouse right now.
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post Jan 1 2010, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Dec 31 2009, 08:33 PM)
Quoted Frm Razer Zone

3500dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G infrared sensor

So, did that answer your question?
About the sensor thingy, its more like a marketing gimmick..
Sad 2 say, with various type of sensors out there, the right mouse 4 u is the mouse that you like to use and not the type of sensor it utilize..

Laser based sensor - SS XAI, Razer Mamba

Optical - Ikari Optical, Etc

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Thats why I asked the question. I had earlier, already read from Razer's official site but it still does not explain what are Infrared sensor mouse, are they enhanced sensor based on either Optical or Laser sensor? or just an entirely new sensor technology used on mice altogether? because this is the first time I ever encounter a Infrared gaming mouse. You could say I'm really curious. tongue.gif


QUOTE(noobie1 @ Dec 31 2009, 11:31 PM)
can u tell me the diff of optical and infrared?? i tot they are the same??
not all laser mouse act like that...tongue.gif
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From what I recall, Optical mice utilize light to detect movement. The light is produced by a light emitting diode (LED). What happens when you operate an optical mouse is that the mouse itself uses that light to take "pictures" (similar to image sensors in cameras and similar imaging devices) of whatever it is "sitting on". It then tracks the location of the pointer on the screen based on the current position of the new image comparing it to the old one.

As for Laser mice, they produce beams that are much more concentrated and narrow with a higher frequency than that of an optical mice. Because of physics, the energy of a laser is much higher (concentrated) than the energy of light that is emitted by optical light, which serves further increases the precision of the laser mouse. So you could say in terms of performance a laser mouse is "better" than optical ones not to mention they based on a newer technology, that's putting the sensor in a general term mind you. However to this day people are still debating whatever Laser mice truly benefit most users especially in gaming.

QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Dec 31 2009, 11:47 PM)
but all razer mice are the same rite? same as in laser will always produce less heat than infrared?
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It's because most optical mice use red light is because it the lowest wavelength in the visible spectrum. Higher wavelengths would consume more energy as well as produce extreme amounts of heat. This means the higher the frequency, the smaller the wavelength; thereby more exact the beam would be (accuracy).

Why do manufacturer's choose Red you ask? simply Red LED's have cheaper unit costs and lower turn on voltages. Basically, less power and more light. Though usually Blue and Red LED's produce the same brightness at a given drive (mA current). That's what I been told by engineers working in the field of optics. Better end my ranting here. laugh.gif

Also welcome to the New Year. happy.gif

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QUOTE(Monster Hunter G @ Jan 1 2010, 12:51 AM)
Thats why I asked the question. I had earlier, already read from Razer's official site but it still does not explain what are Infrared sensor mouse, are they enhanced sensor based on either Optical or Laser sensor? or just an entirely new sensor technology used on mice altogether? because this is the first time I ever encounter a Infrared gaming mouse. You could say I'm really curious.  tongue.gif
From what I recall, Optical mice utilize light to detect movement. The light is produced by a light emitting diode (LED). What happens when you operate an optical mouse is that the mouse itself uses that light to take "pictures" (similar to image sensors in cameras and similar imaging devices) of whatever it is "sitting on". It then tracks the location of the pointer on the screen based on the current position of the new image comparing it to the old one.

As for Laser mice, they produce beams that are much more concentrated and narrow with a higher frequency than that of an optical mice. Because of physics, the energy of a laser is much higher (concentrated) than the energy of light that is emitted by optical light, which serves further increases the precision of the laser mouse. So you could say in terms of performance a laser mouse is "better" than optical ones not to mention they based on a newer technology, that's putting the sensor in a general term mind you. However to this day people are still debating whatever Laser mice truly benefit most users especially in gaming.
It's because most optical mice use red light is because it the lowest wavelength in the visible spectrum. Higher wavelengths would consume more energy as well as produce extreme amounts of heat. This means the higher the frequency, the smaller the wavelength; thereby more exact the beam would be (accuracy).


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ahh...i know about optical and laser too...curious about the infrared...i tot infrared are same as optical??
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post Jan 1 2010, 03:15 AM

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infared = optical though
''The Razer Salmosa is the quickest entry level gaming-grade mouse armed with the fastest tracking optical sensor in the world''
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''Deathadder precision optical gaming mouse''
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''razer abyssus high precision optical gaming mouse''
so its a improved version of optical?

This post has been edited by H3LLKEEPER: Jan 1 2010, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE(H3LLKEEPER @ Jan 1 2010, 03:15 AM)
infared = optical though
''The Razer Salmosa is the quickest entry level gaming-grade mouse armed with the fastest tracking optical sensor in the world''
or
''Deathadder precision optical gaming mouse''
or
''razer abyssus high precision optical gaming mouse''
so its a improved version of optical?
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its a marketing gimmick, they juz play around with the words doh.gif
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post Jan 1 2010, 11:12 AM

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guys, my fren got prob... his imperator driver need to on numlock baru can use numpad... means if he bind numpad 1 to the mouse button, he must on numlock to use that button.. otherwise if he no on the numlock, the button of the mouse will have no function..
how?
me also dunno T.T

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Jan 1 2010, 11:12 AM)
guys, my fren got prob... his imperator driver need to on numlock baru can use numpad... means if he bind numpad 1 to the mouse button, he must on numlock to use that button.. otherwise if he no on the numlock, the button of the mouse will have no function..
how?
me also dunno T.T
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i thought everyone knows that if u dont on numlock, the numbers on numpad cannot be used anyway.
and why cant he bind to the numbers above qwerty?

i think this yr we going to have more legends coming up tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Jan 1 2010, 11:12 AM)
guys, my fren got prob... his imperator driver need to on numlock baru can use numpad... means if he bind numpad 1 to the mouse button, he must on numlock to use that button.. otherwise if he no on the numlock, the button of the mouse will have no function..
how?
me also dunno T.T
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well..all the laptop in this world need to on numlock just can use numpad....
i guess wat u want is on the numlock and u still can type "uiojkl" those word??
that one is bios setting(for my laptop lah, i duno if it the same as ur friend one)
small tip here, u bind the numpad to press fn key just can use(for example, u wan press numpad 4, u nid press fn+u)...
that work for me...

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 1 2010, 11:38 AM)
i thought everyone knows that if u dont on numlock, the numbers on numpad cannot be used anyway.
and why cant he bind to the numbers above qwerty?

i think this yr we going to have more legends coming up tongue.gif
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i guess they want to dota, and dota hot key are on numpad...
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 1 2010, 12:38 PM)
i thought everyone knows that if u dont on numlock, the numbers on numpad cannot be used anyway.
and why cant he bind to the numbers above qwerty?

i think this yr we going to have more legends coming up tongue.gif
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I thought we already gt 2 legend liao?
Mr. Hellkeeper and Mr. Micheal?
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This look to be a great 2010 liao..
2 more years world end btw so better buy all the razers u 1..
xD

Anyways, u can only bind the number pad if you have a kb attached 2 ur laptop..
I can bind numbers 2 my orochi or mamba coz i'm using lycosa with my laptop..
So, np..
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And yeash, if ur numlock is off, means thhe number pad is useless..
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 1 2010, 12:40 PM)
I thought we already gt 2 legend liao?
Mr. Hellkeeper and Mr. Micheal?
xD

This look to be a great 2010 liao..
2 more years world end btw so better buy all the razers u 1..
xD

Anyways, u can only bind the number pad if you have a kb attached 2 ur laptop..
I can bind numbers 2 my orochi or mamba coz i'm using lycosa with my laptop..
So, np..
xD
And yeash, if ur numlock is off, means thhe number pad is useless..
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lolx...if world end, why i nid to buy razer leh?? might as well i use the money build a shelter...haha...
i am binding my numpad without extra keyboard...tongue.gif
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QUOTE(noobie1 @ Jan 1 2010, 01:56 PM)
lolx...if world end, why i nid to buy razer leh?? might as well i use the money build a shelter...haha...
i am binding my numpad without extra keyboard...tongue.gif
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Coz after world end, no Razer liao..
Cant use until Razer rebuild their factory in California..
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Coz ur laptop coz fn+number pad ma..
My laptop too "advance" until they forgo the fn+numberpad
They put a number pad inside..
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I 4get 2 add..
Without lycosa also i cn bind coz my laptop gt number pad build in..
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post Jan 1 2010, 01:29 PM

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after world end,i aso canot use razer liao...haha...(u get what i mean??)
o.O ur laptop 17" inch??
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QUOTE(noobie1 @ Jan 1 2010, 02:29 PM)
after world end,i aso canot use razer liao...haha...(u get what i mean??)
o.O ur laptop 17" inch??
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I know..
xD

Erm, Alienware 17" xD
But i only use at home xD

Razer so ....
Overpriced..
I hope as new year comes, they would chop price 4 mako n megalodon but still, hopes r getting less and lesser..
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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Dec 31 2009, 10:42 PM)
Razer DeathAdder 3.5G user reporting in.

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I found this is another great mouse other than Logitech G5.
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haha razer packaging s hell more impressive while logitech packaging is crap laugh.gif rclxms.gif i think i b throwing away the G5 soon 4 razer brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 1 2010, 02:53 PM)
haha razer packaging s hell more impressive while logitech packaging is crap laugh.gif  rclxms.gif i think i b throwing away the G5 soon 4 razer brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 1 2010, 01:45 PM)
I know..
xD

Erm, Alienware 17" xD
But i only use at home xD

Razer so ....
Overpriced..
I hope as new year comes, they would chop price 4 mako n megalodon but still, hopes r getting less and lesser..
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awww...my dream laptop...but i m not going to get it...XD
i prefer desktop..
hah...mako...so far is the only one 2.1 speaker that can really burn someone wallet real hard...haha...

QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 1 2010, 01:53 PM)
haha razer packaging s hell more impressive while logitech packaging is crap laugh.gif  rclxms.gif i think i b throwing away the G5 soon 4 razer brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
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well...u do know the packaging are included on the price??haha...
logitech...erm...they can make such impressive packaging too...but then the price will raise too...tongue.gif

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