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post Oct 30 2009, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(pllx @ Oct 30 2009, 02:15 AM)
@ an earlier statement, if the sun suddenly disappeared we wouldn't be able to adapt in time haha. We'd literally freeze to death in what...a second?
I don't think sending a baby couple to there will achieve much either. It's different from growing up in the wild and growing up in the city. It's not about growing more callused feet. That's just the thickening of skin, not really evolution. Evolution does not occur spontaneously within a single organism. It's a process, something like Doomsday from Superman. The difference is that the baby boy & girl will probably die very quickly, before being given the chance to mate. If we adjust the environment to allow them to grow up, there that's not really evolution is it?


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thanks for remind me that.. makes me wonder... with presence of sun, we feel warmth.. but with absence of sun, itll feeze like pluto.. why??

which mean the universe is cold?? maybe minus few hundred C?

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post Oct 30 2009, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Oct 30 2009, 12:01 PM)
The temperature of the Universe is 2.726 Kelvin. That's 2.726 degrees above absolute zero. As comparison, liquid oxygen boils at 50K.
The temperature is a result of the remanence of the energy of the big bang, which happened about 13.7 billion years ago. Just to compare, the temperature of the universe when it was just 1/100s old was a hundred billion(100,000,000,000) Kelvins.
As time passed and the universe expanded, the temperatures cooled to a lowly 2.7Kelvin.  smile.gif
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yes.. which mean that the universe is cold in nature?

watch this documentary few days back.. on discovery...

scientist are now digging in earth to find life in extraordinary habitate..

eg, no O2 presence, no light etc.. and suprisingly they found life there in earth

they found methane breathing microbs; microbs that use chemical reaction as energy source instead of sun....

somehow, makes me see that human evolution is still at its infant stage.. we still rely on sun and O2.. where microbs already evolved to escape this to suits their habitat

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post Oct 30 2009, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Oct 30 2009, 05:25 PM)
Don't think of it as being cold in nature. Cold and hot are just terms that we used to describe temperatures above or below what we're comfortable with. Just think of it as the temperature where no energy is present.
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thanks... but from what i read.. this is what i think....

energy existed everywhere.. even when there are no heat... say ice.. no heat does not mean no energy... the energy to bond the molecules to form solid still exist... and in gas, the energy is released by vibration
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post Oct 30 2009, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(pllx @ Oct 30 2009, 06:39 PM)
it can emit extreme amounts of energy...
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emit or possess??
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post Oct 30 2009, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(pllx @ Oct 30 2009, 07:04 PM)
Urhmm, i'm not sure if emit or possess actually. I haven't heard of this before and it seems to make no sense as devoid of energy, how can energy be produced? But my friend talked about it as a possible mean to harness unlimited energy. Anyone knows more about this who can clarify?
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first.. UNLIMITED energy does not exist.. to be precise... quantity of energy is for human to use.. and it`ll take billions of years before we start to worry on energy shortage....

how energy is produce is like asking the first cause... the conservation of energy equation say energy cannot be created nor destroyed...

so, the energy in this universe is "created" somehow... we`ll just abandon this....

and we human didnt actually create energy.. like fuel, electric etc... we never create them...

we just harvest energy in different form(coal, food, sun, wind etc) and transform its form.... smile.gif
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post Oct 30 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(pllx @ Oct 30 2009, 07:17 PM)
Agreed haha. We're getting out of topic though. It would be awesome if we could populate mars. I told my bio teacher my theory of planting trees in an oxygenized dome on mars and after a long time, maybe there would be sufficient oxygen of habitation. Yeah i know it's a rough idea and the cost would be insane, but it's just a "What If?" My teacher smacked me and said i was wasting her time haha.
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bio teacher???

how old are you kid??

godo for you to think like that... but malaysia teacher just wont accept out of school topic to discuss.... I was slapped by my teacher once when I ask him what is PI.. 22/7

all he can say is 22/7 or 3.142 .....

when ask again why must this number he seemed to be frustrated....

but when in UK, things are totally different.... if i question things like this, I was compliment by the lecturer doh.gif

guess the grass is greener on the otehr side after all whistling.gif

this is malaysia... when we are small, adults ask us to be creative and imaginative.. but when we grow up, creative and imaginative = naive

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post Oct 30 2009, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(pllx @ Oct 30 2009, 10:08 PM)
Haha, i don't appreciate being called a kid sweat.gif I may be inexperienced and naive at times, but i attribute it to a lack of exposure and definitely not age. For that, i'd rather not reveal my age. It's like an ad hominem that can only fallaciously work against my favour in most cases. smile.gif
I asked my physics teacher what caused gravity. He wouldn't give me an answer but i found the equation that  correlates mass distance and gravity with a bit of research.  However, i simply still do not understand how an object with mass has a gravitational pull. Is it the force of attraction emitted by the nuclei of the particles that form us or something?


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ahaha.. nevermind then.. one thing.. don ask your physic teacher too much.. msot teachers are degree or diploma holder.. ask them what you need to know to score.. else, ask a lecturer.... laugh.gif

want to know how gravity works?? give you this link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_well

or you can just google "gravitational well" in order how gravity works.. in graphic.. else if you ask ur teacher, he`ll just reply you F=mg

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My question is: Do you really think humans should live in outer space, given that they are capable? What would our life be without our home planet? For what are we living when we have outlived our own planet or caused its destruction? I have a feeling that we as a species will never make it out of our solar system. Nonetheless, like any decent person i will keep an open mind smile.gif
again... the word "should" is ethical quesstion that has moral perspective....

we human are still has very very primitive technology.... sad to say even with IPhone.... sad.gif

else we`ll be like star wars.... I think this is what the scientist are doing now... looking for earth like planet... building faster ships to travel, how human can survice in space etc.....

so for your question, the word should is irrelevant as it is only survivalof species


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post Oct 30 2009, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Oct 30 2009, 11:32 PM)

And about space colonization, I think humans are very capable of adapting and are more than likely to be able to survive in a foreign planet given that they have the capability.  smile.gif
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but the thing is... we human lost our evolution skills... what we do is we craete something for us to adapt instead of changing ourself to adapt

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post Oct 30 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Oct 30 2009, 11:52 PM)
We're evolving now faster than ever
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i don think we are better off 100,000 years ago biologically.. what we see the difference now is that there is a set of education system and documented knowledge passed down from generation....

if you put a 22th century baby on ice age and age age baby in 22th century and let them grow.. i bet the out come is the same biggrin.gif

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post Oct 31 2009, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Oct 31 2009, 12:38 AM)
Education and knowledge does not play a big part in evolution. Sure, we can use science to accelerate evolution, but evolution depends on the surroundings.
Also, unlike some animals, human evolution isn't something that is significant in 1 or 2 generations. Put a baby there and it's great-great-greatgrandchild may be different from it. smile.gif
I read an article recently about humans today and homonids hundreds of thousands of years ago. Those homonids could easily run at 37kph, which would mean that they had a more muscular frame. And they needed it, be it to hunt or run away from predators.
And then there's us homo sapiens, with much less muscle mass simply because we do not need so much, but with much bigger brains than our predecessors. =)
We do evolve.  biggrin.gif
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yes.... our body and mind never stop evolving.. or genral mean.. change to adapt.... even our social behaviour evolve... langauge evolve...

but physically we dont evolve much.. thansk to technology that provide us comfort
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post Nov 1 2009, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Nov 1 2009, 05:54 PM)
Let's take a fictional scenario. Imagine we had lots of monkeys a long time ago living in Siberia and none of them had eyes. Then due to some accidental mutation in their genes, one of the monkeys was born with an eye. In modern terms, we would call this "cacat", but it's actually evolution.

Now because this monkey has an eye, it is able to hunt better, avoid predators better and become much stronger than the other monkeys. So obviously this monkey becomes the big boss in the group and gets to mate with all the lovely female monkeys.

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yes.. i once asked my wife who studied pure bio in uni.. ask her to differentiate mutation, adaptation and evolution.... rclxub.gif

can you explain it here??

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post Nov 2 2009, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Nov 1 2009, 11:12 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, the correct way to relate those words is:

Genetic mutation that helps us adapt to the environment is evolution.

Mutations are random changes in our DNA that affect how our body works. If we take DNA, there are 4 chemicals that form a DNA double helix structure, it's called:
- adenine (A)
- cytosine (C )
- guanine (G)
- thymine (T)

So lets take a very simple look at how it works. Remember, this is just a simplified example, not necessarily the actual mutations.

Say the first generation of monkeys have a sequence like this: TAATGCCGAACCG

After thousands of years, one of the new monkeys born has a  mutation which changes the sequence to: TAATGCCTAACCG

Note that the underlined chemical has changed from a G to a T. This is a random mutation that happened over many thousands of generations of monkeys.

For our example, let's say that this mutation causes the monkey to have eyes. With eyes, the monkey can now hunt better, run away from predators better and look for mates better. So with eyes, the monkey is able to adapt to it's environment better. As the monkey mates, it's children will also have eyes, which also helps them hunt, escape and mate better. Eventually, monkeys with eyes will be the dominant species and in the end, all monkeys will have eyes. This whole process is called evolution.

This is also why a lot of people disagree with evolution. They believe that thing's cannot just randomly happen and those mutations must be caused by some higher power. But we can see things randomly happening all the time, lots of people who are born with disabilities are results of random mutation. Whenever you read stories about babies being born with 2 heads or 4 hands or etc, it's all due to random mutation.

So going back to TS's topic of living in space, we can't just dump babies in Mars and expect them to evolve to live in Mars, they'll die. Those babies have evolved for about 200,000 years to be perfect for life on Earth, so they're not much different from us.

For us to evolve for life on Mars, we must put millions of people on Mars and let them mate and maybe thousands of generations later, there *might* be some Mars-friendly-mutation that allows some of the babies to adapt better to life on Mars.
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thanks scientist..... so, x-man mutants are the future humans instead of freak.... wink.gif
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post Nov 12 2009, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(frags @ Nov 12 2009, 01:48 AM)
Your point being? Monkeys make better astronauts or something?
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do you watch the movie.. sound of thunder?? or butterfly effect??

a slight change in the past or presence could make big difference in the future....

maybe we were the same type back then.. but something small happened that ignite evolution in us and make us evolve into what we are now

 

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