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post Oct 24 2009, 06:30 AM, updated 17y ago

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MALAYSIA-SINGAPORE water agreement details

Singapore and Malaysia have signed four agreements to regulate the supply of water from Malaysia to Singapore. The first - signed in 1927 - is no longer in force. Water imported from Malaysia under the other three agreements - signed in 1961, 1962 and 1990 - now meets about half of Singapore's water demand. However, this will be reduced after the 1961 pact expires in 2011. The government has also stated that Singapore can be self-sufficient in water by the time the 1962 and 1990 agreements expire in 2061.

1927 Agreement (the first Malaysia/Tanah Melayu bodohness by sultan Johor to british colonial power)
This was signed on 5 December 1927 between the municipal commissioners of the town of Singapore and Sultan Ibrahim of the state and territories of Johor. It allowed Singapore to rent 2,100 acres (8.5km2) of land in Gunong Pulai for the purpose of supplying raw water from the area to Singapore. An annual rent of 30 cents per acre (per 4,047m2) was payable on the land, but the water was free. Johor set aside an additional 25mi2 (64.7km2) of land and agreed not to alienate any part of this land without the consent of the Singapore commissioners. If the latter wanted to reserve any part of this plot for drawing water, they had to give notice to the Johor government and pay an annual rent of $5 per acre. In return, Johor could obtain 800,000 gallons (3,637m3) of treated water from Singapore daily at a rate of 25 cents per 1,000 gallons (per 4.55m3).

well during this time singapore flag is this
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British rasuah little the sultan Johor then can get water+singapore.. LOL

but maybe Sultan Kedah more idiot, becoz bein' fooled by the british colonial now Narathiwat, Yala, Pattani are under Thailand/Siam, can only gain back Penang (becoz British colonial power gave merdeka to Malaya/Persekutuan Tanah Melayu that time)

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1961 Agreement (Malaysia PM Tunku Abdul Rahman bein' fooled by British colonial again)
This was called the Tebrau and Skudai Rivers Water Agreement. It was signed on 1 September 1961 between the city council of the state of Singapore (the predecessor of the Public Utilities Board or PUB) and the government of the state of Johor. By then, Singapore was a self-governing state within the British empire while Malaya was already an independent nation. The 1927 agreement was declared void in this document.

The agreement gave Singapore the full and exclusive right to draw off all the water within the designated land at Gunong Pulai, Sungei Tebrau and Sungei Skudai for a period of 50 years up till 2011. Singapore was to pay an annual rent of $5 per acre for the land and a charge of 3 cents for every 1,000 gallons of water. Singapore also agreed to provide Johor with a daily supply of treated water up to 12% of the raw water it drew, subject to a minimum of four million gallons (18,184m3), and at a price of 50 cents per 1,000 gallons.

1962 Agreement (Malaysia PM Tunku Abdul Rahman bein' fooled by British colonial again and again)
Called the Johor River Water Agreement, this was signed on 29 September 1962 between the Singapore city council and the Johor state government. Valid for 99 years up till 2061, it gave Singapore the full and exclusive right to draw water from Johor River up to a maximum of 250 million gallons per day (mgd) (1.14 million cubic metres a day). In return, Johor was entitled to a daily supply of treated water from Singapore up to 2% of the raw water it supplied.

Singapore had to pay rent for the land it used "at the standard rate applicable to building lots on town land". The water prices remained the same as in the previous agreement - 3 cents per 1,000 gallons of raw water supplied to Singapore and 50 cents per 1,000 gallons of treated water sold to Johor. After Singapore and Malaysia stopped using a common currency, the prices became denominated in Malaysian ringgit.

The 1961 and 1962 agreements provided for a price review after 25 years, with arbitration being the agreed course of action if bilateral price negotiations failed. However, the Johor government chose not to revise the prices at both opportunities, in 1986 and 1987.

The Independence of Singapore Agreement (also known as the Separation Agreement) signed between the governments of Singapore and Malaysia on 9 August 1965 guaranteed the 1961 and 1962 water agreements.

1990 Agreement (Dr Mahathir era, nice wayang kulit.. awww!!)
This was signed on 24 November 1990 between PUB and the Johor state government. It was supplementary to the 1962 pact and would also expire in 2061. A separate document was signed on the same day by the governments of Malaysia and Singapore to guarantee adherence to the agreement.

Under this agreement, Singapore was allowed to construct a dam across Sungei Linggui to facilitate the extraction of water from Johor River, with Johor setting aside about 21,600ha (216km2) of land for the project. Singapore agreed to pay RM320 million as compensation for the permanent loss of use of the land and its associated revenue, in addition to a premium of RM18,000 per hectare (per 10,000m2) and an annual rent of RM30 for every 1,000ft2 (per 92.9m2) of the land. The cost of building and maintaining the dam would be borne by Singapore.

In return, Singapore could buy (from Johor) treated water generated by the new dam. This would be over and above the 250mgd of raw water that it was allowed to draw from Johor River under the 1962 agreement. The price of this additional supply would be calculated based on a fixed formula: the weighted average of Johor's water tariffs plus 50% of the surplus from the sale of this water by PUB to its consumers after deducting Johor's price and PUB's cost of distribution, or 115% of the weighted average of Johor's water tariffs, whichever was higher.

This agreement was a follow-up to the memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed on 28 June 1988 between the two countries' prime ministers at the time, Lee Kuan Yew for Singapore and Mahathir Mohamad for Malaysia. The signing of the MOU was hailed as a breakthrough in Singapore-Malaysia water relations, the culmination of six years of difficult negotiations.

Beyond 2061
The Singapore government has stated that it will not renew the 1961 agreement which expires in 2011. Attempts to reach a new deal with Malaysia to secure water supply for Singapore beyond 2061 have not borne fruit despite years of tedious negotiations. To reduce Singapore's dependence on imported water, the government has taken steps to increase the size of the local water catchment area and to build up the supply from non-conventional sources, namely NEWater (reclaimed water) and desalinated water. With the various water projects progressing well, government officials have assured Singaporeans that the country can be self-reliant in water by 2061 if it needs to be.


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source : http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_1533_2009-06-23.html

even Hong Kong have to pay USD5 to China for raw water.. but Malaysia water sold to Singapore is only RM0.03 per 1000 gallons, and then Singapore sell back Malaysia at RM0.50 doh.gif

MM Lee Kuan Yew cry because rejected.. reason : cannot agree on British terms yawn.gif


wayang set by British colonial power.. well Singapore is British colonial HQ in South East Asia region to collect all the wealth from Asia region especially Malaysia.. Australia is HQ for Commonwealth.. before british left Malaysia, they set 5 countries power defense agreement (if u try attack then u better face airstrike..LOL) sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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PULAU PISANG case not settle yet! kiasuland will win again...!! brows.gif
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post Oct 24 2009, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(old_calculator @ Oct 24 2009, 08:40 AM)
why would Sg want to join M'sia?
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Malaysia got alot of water ma..

by comparison, singapore government try as hard as they can to save water consumption..

but u see in Selangor, Malaysia.. the gomen can offer free 20meter cubic of water!

Singapore mentality.. they sure know how to save
Malaysia mentality... we know how to waste.. oops.gif

as far as i know Singapore use more than 300 million gallons of water everyday.. about 43% is just for industry use

Ulu Pandan NEWater Factory can produce about 32 million gallons of water
Changi NEWater Factory can produce about 15 million gallons of water

Singapore generate about RM662.5 MILLION just from the foolishness of Malaysia gomen on water deal, in year 2001 Singapore paid johor gomen only RM2.39 MILLION for water..

get RM0.03 but sell back to Johor at price of RM0.50.. wahahaha.. i'm making alot of money!!!

year 2001, MALAYSIA have to give "annual subsidy" to Singapore at RM375.4 MILLION.. well if look at statistics, almost every year must add about RM100 MILLION "annual subsidy" to Singapore.. BUT SINGAPORE NOT PAY TAX LIKE EVERY NORMAL MALAYSIAN.. WHAT A GREAT BRITISH COLONIAL MASTERMIND TO SUCK MALAYSIAN WEALTH!!!


for ur info MM Lee Kuan Yew from Singapore had just appeal to Malaysia about Singapore rejoin Malaysia, in year 1997 and year 2007.. cannot tahan anymore?? hmm.gif

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post Oct 24 2009, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(thken @ Oct 24 2009, 02:53 PM)
kita mesti jaga maruah kita
this goes same to proton and 1malaysian man. live with it
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what kind of maruah??

Malaysia have to pay at least RM500 MILLION "annual subsidy" to singapore gomen, just because of the stupidness of water agreement.. malaysian ordinary citizen work like hell and paid the tax to malaysia gomen, but singapore can enjoy "free subsidy" shakehead.gif

some more 2 ports in Johor activity not very active because of Tambak Johor which block the river and ship route.

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Johor own 2/3 of Tambak Johor but still afraid to bomb and replace it.. owaiii

click to see the info, about 2 johor ports have great disadvatage of tambak johor
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post Oct 24 2009, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Oct 24 2009, 03:14 PM)
stop blaming spore for malaysians own mis-management of resources, we suck and we know it.
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becoz of our stupidness to british colonial power.. now they herit it to kiasu

Singapore now can achieve developed country status while Malaysia is still 3rd world country status! LOL

i am 100% sure if Malaysia gomen cut the "annual subsidy" of at least RM500 MILLION "annual subsidy" to singapore becoz of the stupid of past rulers.. bomb the tambak johor replace it with new bridge, not waste water and other resources, no more corrupt practice inside gomen, create many professionals and entrepreneurs...
then in 5-7 years Malaysia can achieve developed country status

at least do like China.. (in China corrupters face death, in Malaysia only have to go to jail and pay some "denda paid in money".. LOL) see they have more than 10% of GDP increasement every year

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post Oct 24 2009, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(noobfc @ Oct 24 2009, 03:38 PM)
Come on la, the agreement was made before singapore became independent.

So you can't really blame our gov for mismanagement unless they saw the future.

Besides if u study ur history, if SG wasn't kick out from MY, bloodshed will happen.

So which one u prefer?
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a very good leader is the one who can see the future..

in management or business study there is one special study about "risk management"

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QUOTE(b3rnard7 @ Oct 24 2009, 04:05 PM)
for 1997...yes I heard b4...but 2007?

I think tis is not possible...sg ppl will nvr accept RM as their salary!
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u got ur point there

it is true in year 2007 statement by MM Lee Kuan Yew said about singapore will rejoin Malaysia

source : http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/St...1011-29532.html
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Oct 24 2009, 05:09 PM)
I can be very very assure that Singapore will not rejoin Malaysia.

Bloodsheds will happen between Singapore Cina and Johor Melayu if that happen. So, it is a BIG NO.

What Singapore can do is that Singapore buy land in Johor since Singapore is so rich and Johor is so poor. Alternatively, buy land from Indon oso possible.
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penang didn't have bloodshed although the population is average between both race, cina and melayu..

omai.. we r not in "ancient time", now is borderless internet era everyone can have their opinion heard.

the part that i bold.. johor become poor because of the stupidness of previous rulers..
terlampau pemurah orang pijak kepala, kalau pemimpin hanya tahu baca teks je.. orang tipu dia pun mesti dia bulat2 percaya punya doh.gif

which country in this world can sell water RM0.03 per 1000 gallons?? some more must give at least hundred millions of "annual subsidies" to other country?? which country in this world so pemurah that others become so rich, while themself become so poor?? laugh.gif

Malaysia must learn from past mistakes.. repeat that mistake again, then for sure no hope can achieve developed country status or what Malaysia PM called High Income Economy sad.gif

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QUOTE(miloy2k @ Oct 25 2009, 09:37 AM)
unless sg is sinking or something then they force to join back malaysia laugh.gif
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