until people see it for themselves, people will be sceptical of what you say
Flora Damansara
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May 16 2012, 04:14 PM
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mr chipsley, to be very frank with you, describing this all in a forum here wont help. The purchasers MUST GO TO THE LOCATION, then only they can relate to you. otherwise, people are being blinded by the "empire project", figure of rental that are being pluck from nowhere, this area is a classy place....
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May 16 2012, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(lilac @ May 16 2012, 04:27 PM) I think the thing we were highlighting here is that the place is far from ideal at its current state. That being said, the property is probably already at its all time low and like they say once you reach rock bottom you just can't sink any further. Not saying that it would not or could not, but chances are low. to be very honest with you, i agree : That being said, the property is probably already at its all time low andI believe the good news for investors here is that chances for the property to lose what’s left of its value would be low as compared to what it could grow. This was one of the reasons why most of us decided to invest in Flora Damansara. Honestly, most Propcritiques would condemn this place to hell, however the fact that people still stay there and units are easily rented out is a good sign that maybe Flora Damansara could be slowly but gradually climbing back up from its rock bottom. BUT, i simply dont agree on the price. they arent reflecting what you've said. This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 16 2012, 04:40 PM |
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May 17 2012, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(noswear @ May 17 2012, 09:05 AM) mine i m renting like RM700 p.m if not mistaken...not furnish and mine is > 1000 sq ft...if i remember correctly... kind of easy to rent out.........but then the value drop la if compare to my developer price... lucky i din shift there to stay...if not big problem....dont recommend to stay there....yourself..unless u have no choice...investment maybe boleh...but duno how long have to wait la... give u an example...bkt oug condo ...nobody like it...value drop like hell...but recent development had make the condo super valuable... This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 17 2012, 10:31 AM |
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May 18 2012, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(simply red @ May 18 2012, 02:37 PM) Investor r opportunist. We put our money on where there r money to make. Don't get emotional my friend. If u don't think this is the investment for u then stand aside keep yr money in the bank and try fighting the inflation. what he is trying to say is that he doesnt agree with the fact that property owners/agents simply raise the stupid damn price in an unrealistically way. other than that, he's not objecting...he agrees property needs to be able to appreciate.This is market forces nobody can help it unless policy change. This is the market sentiment whether u like it or not. Wake up and move on my friend. Face the reality. even if he is emotional, he is emotional about the unrealistic increase of the property price, which is true because these prices arent according to real property valuer value... i mean seriously, im laughing here, why is it very hard for people to see they are buying McDonald's McValue set for the price of a set meal in TGI Friday's. I know the "potential"...but the "potential" is far much more longer yet. Added on May 18, 2012, 3:07 pm QUOTE(noswear @ May 18 2012, 03:01 PM) this thread...is getting a lot heat... just in case you dont notice, mrchipsley walk away....he's just trying to let other people see his view, that's not wrong right ?very simple... who ever think flora has potential just go and buy it...no need argue here.... who ever thinks flora no good just put in opinion no need curse other ppl....and just go buy other property which u think is good... who ever wan to buy flora from me at RM200K....please welcome to contact me.... about your rm200K, i do hope you have the patience to wait This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 18 2012, 03:10 PM |
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May 21 2012, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(potenza10 @ May 21 2012, 10:50 AM) Actually, last few months I'm considering to buy a unit here....and went to this apartment myself to see the condition.That is why I followed this thread closely and appreciated all comments and review from real buyer and tenant there. so have u consider to buy then ? what are your views on this property ?It is up to a buyer/tenant.If they can sacrifice a bit about the condition of the apartment due to close to the workplace, it is a good choice. But if they cant tahan about the environment, then they have to sacrifice a bit about money and time. |
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May 21 2012, 03:17 PM
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May 21 2012, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 21 2012, 03:39 PM) this price is not from me, from property valuer :850 sqft = rm120K for low floor, 130K for high floor. 1080 sqft = rm160K for low floor, rm170K for high floor. however, having said that....there's still no guarantee this unit will still be sold out due to maintenance problem, and that is the biggest problem of all that make the issue of security, cleanliness that makes this property hard to appreciate... |
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May 21 2012, 04:18 PM
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May 21 2012, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(Alvinyeo @ May 21 2012, 05:33 PM) No, what i'm mean in your perception of the property condition. to be honest, i will pay lower, definitely much lower(rm110K+5k for renovation & rm150k + 8K for renovation)...you see, this property has no problem in terms of location. But, the location factor is being overshadowed by 2 very important factor that is the management and low cost unit. who want to buy an apartment that even after paying maintenance, still have to suffer water supply cut, car theft, unable to resolve water leaking issues, lift not functioning well, foreigners easily go from low cost to middle cost units(and obviously steal things)....it means, actually what really happen to the monthly maintenance money ? How much would you pay for that kind of property if you interested ? and the low cost unit, since it is cheap and affordable, the investors there dont care and they simply rent to anyone, especially africans because africans can pay....of course those who are willing to rent to them wont know where their "money" comes from, whether it is halal or not lah. banglas or indons or vietnamese. You see, such people have a different mentality, they are from poor countries, so they are used to living roughly...so, at the end, this is also connected to the lack if security. If this property hired from a security company, im very sure the security guard will do something. imagine 77 * 1K unit, how much already 1 month ? rm77K 1 month, that's A LOT and A LOT CAN BE DONE, but look at the condition ? it doesnt need a genius to point out, people are not doing their job because someone else swallow the money that is supposed to be paid. doing audit on the account should "expose" something. But usually, the most easiest way for management is to say the account book is missing... Added on May 21, 2012, 9:26 pm QUOTE(wodenus @ May 21 2012, 05:58 PM) Sell it to them then I don't know if anyone will pay even 120K for it. Not when there are better ones at around the same price. Valuation is one thing, actually getting someone to buy it, is another. >>> can you at least list it down so that people know you are quoting real property ? I was just there a few months ago, was considering it too. Then it rained, and I saw all the ceilings leak. Then I saw the signs in the shops that say the toilets don't work because there's no water. >>> yup that is bad. basic necessity must never be overlook. That and the lack of security and the dirt and the lack of lighting, imagine what this place is like, even driving on the approach road would be scary, there are no street lamps This would be a cool place if they didn't charge maintenance. Whether it will go up depends on what price you bought it at. It's not a place you actually want to stay in though, imagine getting stuck in the lift during a power failure, good luck to you then Added on May 21, 2012, 9:44 pmi think there's another thing i might said it before but didnt emphasized it...since this flora damansara is behind bukit, there's also tendency to happen tanah runtuh ya....you guys need to be aware of this... another very important point... This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 21 2012, 09:44 PM |
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May 22 2012, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ May 22 2012, 09:39 AM) Why you hammer me so hard infront of everybody? I know shaquenator by PM (Chit Chat) and his friend by phone. I join Lowyat at September 2008 and shaquenator guaranteer join longer than you. My mind was introducing her a good property related to past conversation. I think I did wrong if moderator(boss) give me warning and chock slam me. Added on May 22, 2012, 10:12 am QUOTE(Nama saya Amad @ May 22 2012, 01:56 AM) i'm sorry but it jsut funny to request 160k for this kind of property. been living there for quite sometimes. seriously its not even worth 130k. sometimes, the truth hurts you if only the property owner knows this and also agents(which is always good at bullshitting)...sometimes, some people just dont make sense. as I said before, doesnt mean all property will make profits.This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 22 2012, 10:12 AM |
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May 22 2012, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(yankicip @ May 22 2012, 10:40 AM) Notices that flora damansara iproperty listing have gone up in recent week. if it is iproperty, then maybe the agents (as usual, it's not that you dont know them) will still hike irregardless of what you say. some people are too money minded, they forget their property already. i mean they interpret as whatever negative things that purchaser buy is intended to make the price down...so they will stubbornly hike the price.Maybe everyone have its own different taste? This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 22 2012, 11:09 AM |
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May 24 2012, 01:52 PM
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May 24 2012, 05:42 PM
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[quote=22222222,May 24 2012, 03:49 PM]
Added on May 22, 2012, 10:15 pm [/quote] If u really need to find below 200k property, maybe u can consider Aman Satu or dua at sri damansara. The apartment not bad, well keep, major is Chinese. [/quote] that sounds like near Kepong. is this a low cost development ? This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 24 2012, 05:44 PM |
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May 25 2012, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 25 2012, 09:43 AM) For someone at my workplace asking my opinion about Flora Damansara. if you seriously dont believe how terrible the condition is EVEN after the pictures took, then I suggest you to visit the place PERSONALLY. If she decided to buy because in future it's going to be expensive, then she is just being desperate, and being desperate will land you in STUPID DEALS, because those agents are there to detect your desperatesness and then COUNT ON THE FEELING to deceive her of the price. the 2 prices that you mention is it between low cost ones & medium cost ones ? if so, the prices are just too high...1) Age 25 2) Work at Damansara Perdana 3) Salary 3,150 Finance Executive 4) 2 years working with current employer after finished UTAR. 5) Currently renting a room at Kepong Rm400.00 per month 6) Have some saving Rm20,000 7) Have one Kancil car 8) Worry that not able to buy a place to live. That why plan to buy now or never. 9) Bf is working with IPC 10) Plan to live for min 10 years 1) Should she buy a unit of Flora Damansara? 2) How much she should buy ? the 80K or the 150k? 3) Which type ? Facing hill or Facing Damansara Perdana ? |
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May 25 2012, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(richsense @ May 25 2012, 12:10 PM) I'm not really sure if i agree on the terribleness of FD like what you're trying to explain. I own one unit there in block d and having rented out for almost 3 years now. I think it is still acceptable to live there depending on any disturbances which might occur near your unit. My unit is on the higher floor and I never received complaints from my tennant about such disturbances ie : loud noise at night, peaple throw garbage everywhere. I have seen similar places to FD which has much worst condition. I like to take risk and I sincerely think the risk that i take by investing in FD will sooner or later benefits me. richsense, whether you reap the benefot from that investment or not, that's your business. Having said that, even if you are saying that you received less or none complaints at all, again that IS ONLY YOU. Not everyone is blind, after looking at the pictures posted. So, I suggest you better keep your suggestion of taking the risk to yourself instead of making a recommendation that as if what the others are saying is wrong. and seeing that you have vested interests, it is more vague to believe what you say. |
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May 26 2012, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(ahbaoahbao @ May 25 2012, 02:02 PM) As it is a low-medium cost building, it might have certain issues -- and less secure if compared to the high end/cost building. If Aman Dua has better security, go for it. >>> agreed. For investment vise, if you believe that flora will boost up due to the development of empire damansara and empire city , and proposal on the smart access and parking system, just wait and see -- higher risk, higher return, vice versa -- simple: if all really going smooth, the value increases, it becomes no more "slum", there u earn a lot; if not, after 10 years, u may still see ppl criticizing it, and it is still a low-cost building. >>> as one of the forumer said, it is either good buy or goodbye. in the current situation, it is goodbye. sometimes Im wondering myself, if the people who own it already so kan cheong to sell it off, im really surprise to see there are people who keep saying can rent out. rent out might not be a problem, but who is renting from you is another thing. as I said, this development is a goodbye at the moment. I stayed there about 2 years, and , touchwood, nothing happened. There was a forumer saying that 40 cars stolen a month, raping case per month (or week , have forgotten) etc... Wonder where the news comes from? Touchwood again, i parked my car, my neighbour parked their cars. Hmm... with this statistic/data, looks like all the cars should be disappear..?!? But if it is really true, i will pindah on the spot... I did see BMW, Mazda, when I moved in. At this moment, the BMW, Mazda sport car still there. Do not ask me why such rich man buy a low-medium house... Car is more expensive than the house... LOL... >>> mind to point to me which forumer says that 40 cars stolen ? ( PLS DONT EXXAGERATE AND MAKE THOSE WHO CRITISED LOOK BAD) ya, I also wonder where the news come from. Im waititng for you to quote that person who says 40 cars got stolen in this forum....rich man ? for all you know they are thief in disguise...beware. There is not conflict of interest to me -- i do not own any house there, but just rent a unit there. And what i wrote was just from my experience, not to represent the entire block... Added on May 25, 2012, 2:07 pm It depends whether she wants to use for own stay or for investment (hmm.. 10 years, i think it is consider own use). If for own use, my advise is try to look at a better place, if budget is ok. I think Armanee Condo or Park Avenue or even the latest one One Damansara should be much better. If for investment, short term living, Flora is a high risk -- high return (and vise versa) properties. It depends on the security improvement and quality of management. Now the development around Damansara Perdana definitely increases its value. And it needs to boost up itself by improving its internal factors, like management, security etc... Added on May 26, 2012, 6:40 pm QUOTE(sakura888 @ May 26 2012, 02:06 PM) went there last weekend, as me & my friends are visiting ikea. so thought of just dropping by to see for myself what this forumers say is it true or not. i think the pictures are definitely real the security guard like with or without them is fine to be honest. when i was at the lift, this place looks the same like the low cost ones...hhmmm, dont think it is really worth as high as what the owners in this forum say...i see some of the agents putting rm150K for the 850 sqft, i really was WTF. the area is indeed very dim, and definitely dangerous, especially for woman. then i think in the end, ive decided this place is indeed not worth it(the feel doesnt make you feel happy when going to buy this property). the development might make it sound nice, but dont know if that's going to help anyway. ok, now i know who is telling the truth...hehehe oh between, this place is not that near to ikea lah. the drive is around 10 mins not 5 mins! some more no public tansport, not even rapidkl... tell you something, not even putting rm150K, some of the owners even believe their units can fetch up to rm300K. i was actually laughing out myself....what happen to people's common sense these days ? and what's ironic, the agent is also agree with me(at the back lah), as we all woman mah, so she told me the truth. This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 26 2012, 07:49 PM |
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May 26 2012, 06:58 PM
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May 26 2012, 07:04 PM
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the aman dua in kepong i felt has a very slow appreciation.
Added on May 26, 2012, 7:50 pm QUOTE(1282009 @ May 26 2012, 07:01 PM) Yes I know what he is asking. The apt he/she wants to know is in earlier post which is #233/237. More details can be found in those posts which is just 1 page before. oh ok...This post has been edited by shaquenator: May 26 2012, 07:50 PM |
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