basically for the price you can buy a bigger car like altis, lancer, civic.
but if you really want a quality german car the price is worth it imho.

i'm guessing a basic city roundabout is all you need.
a myvi would be your best bet as it will hold its value quite well when you want to sell in 5 years time.

i'm guessing your parents are gonna buy it for you.
do them a favor and choose something more affordable.
if they're against local cars because of their mindset of them being unreliable and euro cars because their mindset of them depreciating alot.
you can consider the parents favorite of toyota or honda.
perhaps can consider honda jazz hybrid or honda insight as your top range choice.
then think about vios as your entry level.

second hand value depends on alot of things but the main thing is demand.
if many people demand for that model then it will always have a high value.
for example 6th generation honda civic second hand/third hand price is on par sometimes with 7th generartion model.
because the 7 bombed while the 6 was da bomb!

just did a search and found some gems, you may look at the total.
http://www.mudah.my/li?fs=1&ca=9_s&th=1&q=...e=3&rs=22&re=32

here are a few that pop at me:
probably over priced for a wira, should try to stay away.
http://www.mudah.my/Proton+Wira+SE+auto+sp...gi-13406075.htm

a good price since this person is desperate to offload his car quickly to buy a house, you may get discount if he is really pushing for time.
http://www.mudah.my/Perodua+Viva+660cc-15220793.htm

good looking car and 4 years old is usually the time for people to upgrade to a better car, so usually buying from these people is good as they maintain a car well and change it every 4-5 years.
http://www.mudah.my/Perodua+Viva+M+850-15530388.htm

a smart choice choosing cars in that age range.

this is an enigma, its a 2006 car but registered in 2010, still can get loan but its not exactly 4 years old.
class and space wise its competitor are the likes of estima and alphard but unlike those cars this one is
much lower so drives like a car.
http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Odyssey+RB2+Perf...+A-13387526.htm

when it comes to MPV's you can't beat citroen's or renaults they have the best in range for this segment.
this particular version even comes with a pano roof!
space and safety should be 5 stars you can fetch the reviews for this model.
though many people hate its looks.
http://www.mudah.my/Citroen+Grand+C4+Picas...+0-14000833.htm

for new if i were you i'd be thinking of either ssangyong or hyundai mpv's.

without knowing you better and your actual budget i am going to assume you want the lowest possible repayment with the most reliable and cheap to run car.
imho there is only two models you can consider from my statement above.
cheapest non-local brand would be consider a Vios E or G. don't go for J or TRD.
for local just buy a Myvi, don't buy the most expensive one its not worth it just accessories, get the 1.5 auto.

i think latio more suited to ladies as it is smaller and easier to park. but its newer not everything the mech can fix which he will recommend you go back to SC.
sentra is abit older in design and technology should be cheaper to get parts and more mechs readily can fix alot of problems.

maybe you should look into these

a brand new sentra (sort of) probably showroom unit or low mileage test drive car
http://www.mudah.my/Nissan+Sentra+FREE+GPS...12-10056447.htm

if i have that kinda salary i'd just go for something like THIS.
if i wanted 4 doors then i would choose THIS or THIS!

you're correct!

2009 Porsche Cayman PDK
Engine: 2.9L inline 6-cylinder – 265-hp / 221 lb-ft of torque.
Transmission: 6-speed manual, 7-speed PDK automatic.
Curb Weight: 3,104 lbs.
0 to 60 mph: 5.4 seconds.
Top Speed: 165 mph.
Fuel-Economy: 20/29 mpg (city/highway).

The merc is a silent killer, looks like any ordinary merc of that class but the power, fooh!
I agree with you about the S4 my cousin drives that but the interior is great, when he was driving it around i didn't see the needle move away from the 7/8 o'clock position i thought it was broken then he told me coz we're not going fast enough

If you like BMW's you can't dislike this.

i'm going to divide you into two categories.
1. cash sale
2. loanable - that means the car mustn't be older than 2002

cash: decent runabout, probably can last you a few years until you can get a better car, you can always swap proton parts with mitsubishi parts for better reliability.
Wira 2001

loanable: quite a good car and not too old, mileage very low probably ex-showroom / test drive car.
BLM 2009


persona has been in the market longer thus more workshops can support it.
plus parts for it will be cheaper.

i do think preve is a good car, though if you'd never had a car before i'd recommend you take a toyota vios with your budget.
proton workshops are notorious for not doing a good job.
if you have problems they will tell you "every car also like that lah live with it" or tell you its fix but they actually never do anything.
this is fine for minor issues but don't let their negligence create big problems.

so i'm guessing you're looking for something that looks and sound like a monster but won't hurt your wallet.
the fact is that performance cars are never frugal on fuel and if you wanna go fast you always need to burn more fuel.
with the budget you have on hand i am guessing you're going to pay cash.
let me give you a few examples of options you have:

1997 Satria 1.3 manual. Nothing really fantastic other than the cheap price. You can have the money or you can use some to make-up the car abit maybe with GTI bodykit then do some light tuning. Or if you have the time and contacts just plonk in another engine, i recommend Satria GTI engine than mitsu engines because it is newer and quite fuel efficient.

Honda Prelude, its gonna hurt you everytime go pump petrol but the look and performance is there.

EK4 1998 good price for the age, just buy it spray it white, add some accessories and you got yourself an EK9 look-a-like


volvo and pugs are good cars but require alot of TLC. parts for them aren't always easy to find at the prices you're willing to pay.
and not all mechanics can get the job done without telling you "replace this", if they dunno they just replace until problem solved.

here are my suggestions to get ur juices flowing
Gen2 2007 - quite new, low price, whats not to like?
Saga BLM, sporty looking and not very old, good price.
Spectra 2009, probably the last batch of these before they discontinued and start selling new models, it depreciated alot but someone elses loss is your gain!
Waja 2006, a big car and can still get full loan, why not?

Audi's used to be good value for money cars.
Were expensive so only corporates or rich people buy it.
Then it depreciate like a rock then normal people get to buy a 3-5 years old car at 1/5 the price.
Now with VW revitalizing the brand the cars are very sought after and many models to choose, the only cheap ones in your price range are from the older generation.

A6 2005 - One of the newer looking ones in your price range.
A4 2002 - still looks good but will start to look dated quick as Audi currently going through another round of design change.

CF4 2007 manual - i'd recommend you this as a great starting base. You don't need to spend alot to get this baby to perform.

Prelude Type-S H22A 2007 - this baby is full loaded and ready to go, though i'd recommend you bring a trusted mech with you because i don't recommend buying modified cars unless the owner is really just fedup and want a new challenge and not selling off his lemon.

i think its best you just go buy a new car.
get something like viva which will hold its value quite well then trade-in for a better car in 5 years time.

there is nothing which isn't local under 60k which i would recommend as the Myvi class of cars from Hyundai and Suzuki aren't great.
sort of expensive for what they are and depreciate quick as you don't see many on the road.
for 10k more you get alot more choices like Suzuki Swift and Vios.

BMW 320i 2007 - this would be great for your image but prepare to pay a premium to maintain it in terms of schedule maintainence, parts and fuel.

Sentra 1.8 XGL - this would be something that can give you performance punch plus look good, just need to get the bodykit for it. Its a great car as it is.

both are decent and boring cars.
at first i thought you wanted something bigger and more impressive.
but a city/vios are safe choice, very cheap to own and run.
scheduled maintainence bills at official service center is between 120-150.

you're welcome!

Suzuki SX4 or Livina Xtreme?

i agree!

CVT issue only for first batch Jazz 1.4 idsi from japan.
the ones built for local market shouldn't have any issue.
if you're worried about the CVT then insist to bring it to the SC and let the foreman do CVT test.
however this isn't fool proof test, if it is not yet have problem cannot find out.

Langkawi is FTZ price is different from local CKD.

u r welcome.

I think it is abit on the expensive because it is a normal wira plus the condition is only so-so.

You could buy:
Wira Special Edition with serial number 2004 - this is the first batch with all the goodies, the Wira SE after this batch have the bodykit and rims but not the internals.

Proton Savvy 2009 - although its manual the owner said the condition is good, so when you go to view the car if it is not in good condition you can always ask for discounts or freebies, best thing about it is FULL LOAN not so hard on your pocket.

Proton Iswara - a fully restored car the owner said, well again you can use the same trick if it isn't 10/10 you can always be picky then ask for discounts. If it is what the owner advertised as, its a bargain.

The key is to always buy the newest car possible for the money you have on hand.
Put in how much you want to spend, the year of the cars you comfortable with their age.
Then from the search results comb through and see which is a good deal for your personally.
I think Vios 2005 is an okay car, okay because it is 7 years old now.
People normally trade-in 7 years old cars for newer models because they don't want to handle an aging car, sort of like divorcing a 40yo wife for a younger 20yo girl.

Here are a few options I found online though.
1. Merc-Benz E240 2009 - maybe you think too posh for you but this is one hell of a car for the price.
2. Pug 206 2009 - i don't really recommend to go for second hand pugs because usually the owners will have messed something up if not they'd keep it for the long haul.
3. Suzuki Alto 2011 - its very new, probably still has warranty, not local but very new model in our country so the spares price and availability is still unknown.

Here is a simple comparison by my own standards.

looks: Koup, its a very handsome car indeed.
performance: Polo, don't look down on that 1.2TSI it can even give some 2000cc cars a run for its money.
maintainence: equal, although the Polo has an advantage of 5 years warranty
roadtax: Polo, 1.2cc engine of course cheaper.
re-sale: Polo, it will definitely have a better resale value being a German car plus more of it on the road.

Take Preve if you're abit adventurous and like to go fast.
Its a good car spec wise but like most Proton cars the first generation usually have some issues.
The Gen2 only got rid of all its kinks when they launched the Persona.
Also good car if you like joining car clubs as they will support you better than most of Proton's hopeless service centers, the clubbers will tell you where to get the best deals and where to best service your car.

If you want a safe and basic car you can get the Toyota Vios, but spec wise lose to Preve.
Though you can be assured of their QC, should be a simple car to just pump petrol and go, then follow regular service manual you should be fine.

No comment on Mazda 2, don't like it.

60k is alot of money.
You can opt for new cars such as Proton Preve or Toyota Vios J if you stretch your budget abit.
If you want used i don't recommend the Swift as personally I haven't owned one but many friends of mine whom are owners of Swift have complained about their car alot. Usually issue is one side of our rear lamp will always fuse and don't work. Then mountings are fragile. Its quite a thirsty car too.

For your budget i recommend you take full spec myvi, you'd be a happy girl. however, there are some options to open your horizon.

Toyota Rush 2009 - this car is very new and i think its a good choice for ladies too, higher so you get better road view plus don't have to worry your car sink into hole when driving and going across bumps don't scratch your underside.

Civic 1.6 2011 - fully imported from Japan is good, less worry on QC problems. looks like a good buy, this model has similar look to previous civic 1.7 model but is only 1.6 should be not under powered but of course test drive and find out.

Honda City 2008 - never buy a modified car, because city is a popular car many owners have it and wanna sell it on to buy new model, this one looks good. its standard in every way and a lady owner.

B170 2008 full spec with sunroof - i am also an admirer of this car and i think for the money its quite a car. although you can always buy a japan or malaysian made car with almost similar specs for alot cheaper the german engineering and QC is worth the extra you pay if you really know how to apreciate it.

where is MM2H?
you can't sell off FTZ cars like that if not everyone would be making money from it.
for me i prefer the FD than the new FE.

Honda City 2002 Type-Z - cheap and cheerful. can still get loan for this car so should be easier on your pocket.

Hi guys just want to announce my company filtered lowyat so i cannot login from office so only can reply when at home, sorry if your reply is late.

You can't really go wrong with Proton or Perodua cars nowadays.
From what i hear the quality is quite good recently but their service centers is still one of their bad spots.
What you can do is just register in the forum for the car you going to buy, even if you're a silent member and never join their activities their recommendations on parts, where to service and where to buy cheap parts will be a big help.

Goto this website it has the full range of financial calculators for car buyers.
http://www.autoworld.com.my/v2/tools/loan_payment.asp

I'm thinking Civic, Sylphy and Altis are within your reach.

I wouldn't buy either but If i had to I'd take the beautiful Elantra.

i think u better just go mudah and surf.

they're both good cars, though nothing much great about resale value.

if u like the inspira manual just buy it

i'm thinking of getting the jazz hybrid coz among the hybrids available its the most spacious.
its got all the hybrid goodies, 6 air bags, made in japan, plus a child seat thinggy for the rear seats.
worth the money at only 92k. others are more expensive.

yes if they don't settle of course you be responsible.
you're dealing with second hand car dealer or branded car dealer?

if you're considering hybrid and old civic why not consider civic hybrid?
civic hybrid 2009 model isn't that old or new just nice warranties still there.

as you can see saga manual around that age is alot cheaper, dun get conned.

u interested to buy my civic? 2009 model?

rich man can buy 120k car for GF only!
don't wash so much money just get her a toyota rush.
smaller tires like sedan car = cheaper long term.
she isn't going to go offroad so 4x4 isn't needed.
same high ride height as most suv.
goes thru pot holes well.

consider this

This post has been edited by zenix: Jun 27 2012, 03:31 PM

It isn't a fair comparison since the Ford Fiesta competitors are Toyota Prius C, Honda Jazz, Hyundai Getz, etc.
Hyundai Elantra's competitors are Toyota Altis, Honda Civic, Nissan Sylphy.

i have been thinking to get one around this budget too, let me share with you my findings.

Mahindra Scorpio 10 - 2010 model unregistered, AWD is good and high driving position is good, the money spent you get a big car spacewise, though i think resale value won't be high because of the badges reputation in malaysia.

Isis 2010 - is an alternative to the Wish, its size is somewhere between Alza and Wish.

Captiva 08 - to be at this price point it will have to be around 2008/2007 car, normally resale value for this badge is usually bad but this model at the moment is quite high, probably due to good market sentiment as spec vs spec against its competition it gives alot to the consumer.

Estima 2007 - although the oldest in this round up it is the high spec version and 3.0 engine, although you might be thinking its going to be a fuel guzzler and roadtax killer, it is only true for being a roadtax killer, its quite frugal for 3.0 because its powerful enough to move the bulk of this car, the usual 2.0 and 2.5 variants aren't powerful enough which usually forces you to floor it making the engine and gearbox works harder thus going bonkers earlier.

Mazda 5 09 - i think this car ticks most of the boxes, its CBU, its 7 seater, it has power doors, its only 2.5 years old, resale value for japanese badges usually better than korean.

Pajero 09 - this is my choice as its very new being only 2009 and only around 55k its a steal in terms of badge, size and specs.

Let me open your horizons abit.

Pug 308 Turbo Panoramic Roof 10 - merely 2 years old this is a fantastic car for the price because new it will cost you a bomb beyond 100k but now available for 52k as someone already absorbed the drop in value for you. Though buying a Pug gives you prestige you need to be vigilant to bring it to service if not when it goes wrong your pocket will be burnt. My choice

Ford Focus 08 - another fantastic car in which the original owner absorbed the drop in resale value for second hand bargain hunters. Its current price of 52k is a steal for the price and spec.

Civic 09 - this is the import version EU1 so CBU quality is assured, you also get prestige of it being a rare car on our streets, although not the famous EP3 Type_R just getting the bodykit will be enough to alot of street cred when going out. Although the minus point is although it is registered in 2009, it is a 2001 car thus is quite old.

Safe car, there are alot out there.

though find for the price....

Citra 05
Ria 05

Ria is worth it for the size but the engine is a well known guzzler.

see above

see above

If you like the Saga FLX, why not get it.
Though i see the website selling the Elantra for 84k, I saw a bunting at Bkt. Jalil showing the Elantra going for 79k.
Since you already stated Kia i'm guessing you're not afraid of Korean brands. Elantra is a good car.

going up the class usually the price is more than smaller and cheaper models.
e.g. tires start from 16" instead of 14" for smaller cars.
that already is a big difference in terms of price.
if you wanna keep the price the same you'd have to compromise to take lesser brands.

jazz hybrid is a great car.
normal jazz is a drinker.

why not consider this?