Erm, what?

Did he just suggest that it will use VAC? A service that requires Steam to function?

AFAIK, MW2 is NOT a Steamworks game, so what kind of rubbish is this?

Since it was a live webcast and is no longer accessible, anyone got links to download it?

I need to hear it for myself.

Aiks, it appears a ton of news popped up yesterday while I was away...

Ah well.

1 - That sucks for everyone outside of US and Europe... or maybe Europe too if Activision is that cheap.

2 - Fair enough... Plus VAC allows you to permban their account which is either really good, or really terrifying

3 - As shown in L4D, PC gamers don't really like choice of being able to join whatever server they want to be taken away.

Anyway, a lot of this rubbish is eliminated with the move to VAC. VAC includes a server certifying process which can easily weed out the hacks and cheaters plus it has the added incentive of deterring cheaters by threatening their accounts with it. There was no need to remove dedicated servers and modding abilities.

The problem when you have no dedicated servers, is that the "host" will always have an advantage, which isn't the case with dedicated servers. Also, what happens if the host is using some rubbish wireless connection.

I've tried hosting games on a streamyx line and the moment you get more than 8 ppl in, EVERYONE starts lagging considerably. Maybe they've come up with some stupendous connection system that makes it playable for all, but if you have centralized matchmaking (Which more often than not would match you with Koreans and Brits), you've got no choice BUT to end up in shitty games.

No other Valve game that uses VAC has disallowed dedicated servers... Hell, even L4D with its 8 player limit allows that.

Implementation of Steamworks alone is enough to curb piracy (You need a Steam account to launch the game with) and VAC is a very strong deterrent for cheaters... Why the need to remove dedicated servers as well and remove the ability to mod (I'm assuming they're going to the extent of encrypting the files)? Its like using a bazooka to squash a bug when you've already stepped on it with a large boot.

Also, your points on "bypassing" this are pretty much justifications of why this move is stupid. And I'd also watch your tongue regarding pirated services out there.

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Added on October 19, 2009, 9:22 amIn Warcraft 3 or any other RTS for that matter, you're only limited to a maximum of 12 players connected at once... Which isn't an issue for most connections. Also, these are RTS' where a ping of 100 is tolerable.

Not the case for a competitive driven twitch FPS.

I have never heard anyone ever equate modding to hacking. If the servers themselves are using hacks or cheats or whatever, then VAC will ban those servers. And for anyone else who tries, who would risk their entire Steam account just to try it?

Also, there has never been modding on ANY of the consoles before, so obviously its "cross platform". Even UT3 with its support of "mods" required a PC to do the job and even then it was full of restrictions.

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Fact of the matter is G-arena only services South East Asia while IWNet is servicing the WORLD. The potential average latency between players is probably around 500... Nigh unplayable for an FPS.

Doesn't mean people aren't going to try. If its truly using some full-on P2P (Like with Demigod), then one of these wireless people will make EVERYONE else lag.

Also, IWNet may not have done away with dedicated servers, but this announcement means that clans will no longer be able to host their own servers or worst yet, people like us in not so prime locations will not have any dedicated server anywhere near us. That alone makes it useless for playing it online here.

Unless they can magically defy the rules of physics I highly doubt they can figure out something that will work.

Here is the undeniable truth: Matchmaking is hugely broken in a global landscape. I have yet to see one that handles this well with a truly wide user base.

This is what VAC is meant to prevent. Modding isn't the ONLY way to cheat, so its a bit overkill for it really.

Whoa hold on a sec there...

If this was the great piece of American propaganda out there, why even suggest that ppl play it, O great lord of minds? Surely, we should not even taint our minds with even the slightest of Americanism in our games?

Tell me what to think.

Actually the issue is that you're asking ppl to pirate this.

Also, are you saying that if I agree with you that the game truly is Americano propaganda, I can then enjoy it guilt free (Well aside from the guilt of "knowing" said propaganda that is)?