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post Oct 16 2009, 01:05 PM, updated 17y ago

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Recently many research have come out with extracts from natural products. Big pharma companies have research department focusing on searching therapeutical drugs from natural resorces such as plants and microorganisms. Still there are many more biodiversity unexplored by humans. One factor that stop pharma companies from going into natural products is the slow discovery of lead compounds and synthethic drugs seems to be a more investment friendly approach for them. Do you think natural products will be able to compete with synthethic drugs or other methods of drug discovery? DIscuss
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Recently many research have come out with extracts from natural products. Big pharma companies have research department focusing on searching therapeutical drugs from natural resorces such as plants and microorganisms. Still there are many more biodiversity unexplored by humans. One factor that stop pharma companies from going into natural products is the slow discovery of lead compounds and synthethic drugs seems to be a more investment friendly approach for them. Do you think natural products will be able to compete with synthethic drugs or other methods of drug discovery? DIscuss
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Before boarding the discussion bandwagon, just to clarify things up. By natural products, you meant alternative/traditional medicines?
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post Oct 16 2009, 02:08 PM

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Not only alternative or traditional medicie but all drugs found from natrals products. Example is penicillin antibiotic. It was extracted from the bacterium penicillium.

To discover other drugs such as anticancer, anti tumor drugs, many researches have been carried out to screen and assayed their potency towards cancer/tumor cells.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 16 2009, 02:08 PM)
Not only alternative or traditional medicie but all drugs found from natrals products. Example is penicillin antibiotic. It was extracted from the bacterium penicillium.

To discover other drugs such as anticancer, anti tumor drugs, many researches have been carried out to screen and assayed their potency towards cancer/tumor cells.
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biggrin.gif That's why as I've suggested, perhaps natural products in terms of alternative/traditional medicine. As your context seems to focus on diseases and cure.

Anyhow I've no idea on how to begin the discussion. Perhaps you can begin it by stating some of your opinion in regards to it?
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post Oct 16 2009, 11:27 PM

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How come you are the only one replying? Is this topic too boring or LYN forumer only interested in stuff like spaceship/alien and other things that take 100 yrs later to achieve?

current issues not interested?
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 16 2009, 11:27 PM)
How come you are the only one replying? Is this topic too boring or LYN forumer only interested in stuff like spaceship/alien and other things that take 100 yrs later to achieve?

current issues not interested?
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PhD School is my favourite sub-forum. I felt the discussion here is somewhat more matured than RWI section.

I'm interested in current issues of course, which includes alternative medicine too.
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post Oct 17 2009, 12:21 AM

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The problem with drugs and medicinal pills is the additives added, such as preservatives
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post Oct 17 2009, 12:28 AM

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To help you understand more about natural products here is a review

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np068054v

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This review is an updated and expanded version of two prior reviews that were published in this journal in 1997 and 2003. In the case of all approved agents the time frame has been extended to include the 251/2 years from 01/1981 to 06/2006 for all diseases worldwide and from 1950 (earliest so far identified) to 06/2006 for all approved antitumor drugs worldwide. We have continued to utilize our secondary subdivision of a “natural product mimic” or “NM” to join the original primary divisions. From the data presented, the utility of natural products as sources of novel structures, but not necessarily the final drug entity, is still alive and well. Thus, in the area of cancer, over the time frame from around the 1940s to date, of the 155 small molecules, 73% are other than “S” (synthetic), with 47% actually being either natural products or directly derived therefrom. In other areas, the influence of natural product structures is quite marked, with, as expected from prior information, the antiinfective area being dependent on natural products and their structures. Although combinatorial chemistry techniques have succeeded as methods of optimizing structures and have, in fact, been used in the optimization of many recently approved agents, we are able to identify only one de novo combinatorial compound approved as a drug in this 25 plus year time frame. We wish to draw the attention of readers to the rapidly evolving recognition that a significant number of natural product drugs/leads are actually produced by microbes and/or microbial interactions with the “host from whence it was isolated”, and therefore we consider that this area of natural product research should be expanded significantly.

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 16 2009, 01:05 PM)
Recently many research have come out with extracts from natural products. Big pharma companies have research department focusing on searching therapeutical drugs from natural resorces such as plants and microorganisms. Still there are many more biodiversity unexplored by humans. One factor that stop pharma companies from going into natural products is the slow discovery of lead compounds and synthethic drugs seems to be a more investment friendly approach for them. Do you think natural products will be able to compete with synthethic drugs or other methods of drug discovery? DIscuss
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natural product is far to expensive. plus you only need the essence of the natural product to produce a certain drug. for example you just need the vitamin C in an orange to make a vitamin C supplement not the whole orange. The natural route is just a reaction to the perceived "fakeness" in the products on sale now. As a result we are seeing more [products with so called "natural" ingredients in them like shampoo and facial wash. I think this is just a marketing ploy. You and i know that there are no "natural extracts" and "honey" inside the shampoo. they just have the chemical equivalent of it in the ingredient. this is clearly a sham.

i just dont see why there is a mania for naturalness. Its chemically synthesized vitamin C and less effective than the ones squished from an orange? Chemically and medically speaking its a big no.

Let me share you a story.

Back in the days armies have "pissing vats" where pee are collected so the ammonia in them can then be turned into a paste. This is then used to make explosions. They assigned a battalion just to produce steady amount of urines to sustain the production of dynamite. Over time Charles Haber found a new, cleaner and cheaper way to produce ammonia.

is the chemically produced ammonia better than piss ammonia? not chemically but it sure it more economical than waiting for urine to evaporate and turned into paste. Technology is awesome.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 17 2009, 12:28 AM)
To help you understand more about natural products here is a review

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np068054v
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I'll share my opinion regarding alternative medicines. smile.gif

Alt. Medicine has becoming rather popular now. The fact that it is natural and organic seems to get the people's attention.
However, it should be none that alt. med is no form of an active cure; i.e. it doesn't work like how conventional medicines work in curing a disease.

Alt. medicines are mainly to improve one's immune system. For example, ling zi (Ganoderma) are well known and consumed to improve one's immune system. It works more like a preventive measure, where by stronger immune system, the likelihood to fall sick is lower.

That being said, consuming more ganoderma when one fell sick will not cure the disease. The virus in the body cannot be contained, and this is where antibiotics come in.

I regard conventional medicines as active medicine, while alt. medicine as passive; much like how vaccine works.


That is how I understand and view it. If I'm wrong, kindly correct me. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 17 2009, 01:28 PM

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Yes something like lynn said. And for current untreatable disease such as AIDS and mainly cancer, there are still many unexplored natural resouces in our world that could provide the cure. Current synthethic drugs are derived from know chemical structure. They can only synthesize cheaper drugs when they know the chemical sturcuture of a known drug.

If you look at current research in marine organisms especially the deep sea, many microorganisms provide useful compounds that were not known before.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 17 2009, 01:28 PM)
Yes something like lynn said. And for current untreatable disease such as AIDS and mainly cancer, there are still many unexplored natural resouces in our world that could provide the cure. Current synthethic drugs are derived from know chemical structure. They can only synthesize cheaper drugs when they know the chemical sturcuture of a known drug.

If you look at current research in marine organisms especially the deep sea, many microorganisms provide useful compounds that were not known before.
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True, I have few friends whom did research on drug-benefits in sea cucumber. Among the result was for cosmetic purposes. Sorry I don't know how it works though tongue.gif
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post Oct 17 2009, 05:13 PM

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Can you give me your friend's contact? I wanna get in touch with them since they are in this field.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 17 2009, 05:13 PM)
Can you give me your friend's contact? I wanna get in touch with them since they are in this field.
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XD Sorry I don't think that's possible. Privacy purposes smile.gif
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post Oct 17 2009, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Oct 17 2009, 01:28 PM)
Yes something like lynn said. And for current untreatable disease such as AIDS and mainly cancer, there are still many unexplored natural resouces in our world that could provide the cure. Current synthethic drugs are derived from know chemical structure. They can only synthesize cheaper drugs when they know the chemical sturcuture of a known drug.

If you look at current research in marine organisms especially the deep sea, many microorganisms provide useful compounds that were not known before.
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hardly surprising considering that we only explored less that 20% of the know sea!

 

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