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post Nov 11 2011, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 6 2011, 08:46 PM)
Ok, i just got offered by SenQ LG 42LV3500 rm1849 and Sony Bravia 42ex410+bdp-380 rm2199, which one should i buy? I am tempted to get the LG one.. but the salesman say LG durability cannot compete with Sony.. i dont buy it anyway.. but i wanna know which gives better quality? Summore LG is Divx HD ready, heard it can play mkv hd files with minimal problem..
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it depends what you watch.. do you watch sports, fast action 24p movies, or playing games? if you do avoid 42 or bigger LCD with 60hz refresh rate.

Try to get 100hz or best still 120Hz LCD panels for best picture in 24p and performance with reduce motion blur, the performance of those 2 (60Hz panels ) and the image quality is by far below cheap plasmas.

60hz lcd is only good for 32" or smaller , the picture quality gets worst with bigger one and image blurring becomes more apparent.

for a 60hz panel migth as well get the ccfl lcd much cheaper price, no need to waste money on overrated LED backlight.

Added on November 11, 2011, 10:23 pmLG 42LW4500

IMO this one from LG is hard to beat .. with freaking cheap passive 3D glassess, great for 3D gamming

42" , LED backlight, 100hz, Passive 3D

PICTURE

Resolution
1920 x 1080
Dynamic Contrast Ratio
7,000,000:1
ResponseTime(MPRT)
3.0ms
WCC (Wide Color Control)
Yes
Full HD
Yes

http://m.lg.com/za/tv-audio-video/televisi...tv-42LW4500.jsp

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 12 2011, 12:40 AM)
Yeah... but i think la.. the smooth motion thing is very personal... For me, the movie purposely make it very low fps, at just 24fps or 30fps, to create the "movie" effect, why would ppl want to kill off the effect with those fast motion tech? I watched those with very smooth motion one, i felt like vomiting, because it really makes the movie so "life-like", which defeat the purpose of a movie. Movie is shot at low fps have their own reason, it creates some tense very dramatic scenes. If it is always running at high fps, which is created by those smooth motion thingy, it will be like a real-life show, no more feeling.. Like ppl wan B&W effect, why? Because of nostalgic scene, same like that is movie effect.. for movie scene.. But, the smooth motion thingy is very good for live-show, concerts, TV-shows, real-life scene, sports.. It really comes down to personal thinking and preferences. For me, i prefer movie to be movie, not a fake movie smile.gif But i think the effect can be switched off or on la, so it is good if u have the extra money to buy 120hz or 240hz one.. i think for samsung, should go for UA40D5000 instead..
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I think you confused between "frame rate" and "refresh rate".

FYI, the Sony 50Hz panel, runs at 48Hz refresh rate to display 24 frame per second movies.

A film is shot at 24 frames per second. but it WAS NEVER displayed at that refresh rate of 24Hz in any display panel in the world because it will be unwatchable due to blurring, a real film produce discreet scene, unlike constant scene on display panels, the transition in pixel between frames creates artifacts.

Most is if not all LCD panels are capable of interpolation to create addition frames, for the 24fps to be displayed at 120fps. BUT those function CAN be DISABLED, the refresh rate is still at 120HZ, but only 24fps , by repeating 5 times the same frame. (5:5 pulldown ). On a plasma (600Hz)the frame it is repeated 12 times.

Those motionflow interpolation are just gimmicks and act as add-on to 120hz refresh rate feature.

The purpose of 120Hz is for 3D mode at speed of 120fps, were the 60Hz is doubled to produce 60 fps for left eye and 60 fps for right eye. In case of Active 3D lcd.

Anyway based on professional AV enthusiast, watching 3D HD movies in low light ambient. NOTHING BEATS A PLASMA 3D!!

Its a fact that Active 3D LCD LED panels have to viewed them in dark room to avoid the flickering of shutter glasses. In a dim lit room they are painful for the eyes, toning down brightness degrades picture quality, unlike plasmas.

Added on November 14, 2011, 1:44 pmOh BTW.. Fastest LCD refresh rate is 240Hz.. beyond that rate that is nothing but LED backlight blinking, like 480++ scene per second, not Hz.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 18 2011, 12:25 AM)
i wanna ask, what is the theory behind plasma 1024x768 reso to display 720p or 1080p 16:9 aspect ratio screen without stretching or distort the entire thing? because 1024x768 is a 4:3 aspect ratio, but i see plasma tv the shape is same like 16:9, right? it doesnt look like an older boxed lcd monitor which is displaying 4:3 ratio..
LCD has square pixel, plasma has rectangular pixel. Most entry-level plasma has a NATIVE resolution of 1024x768 pixels. But they are all HD-ready, in short capable of taking 720i/p and 1080i/p input signals. Mid-end and high-end plasmas are around 1366x720 and 1920x1080, they cost most more i must say.

Its done with an in-built image processors for up-scaling... down-scaling or aspect ratio adjustments.

For movies HD content, you won't notice 720p vs 1080p when viewing the TV at a sensible distance, well .. unless you stick your eyeball 30 cm to the TV screen.

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QUOTE(maru @ Nov 25 2011, 10:16 AM)
3730 is on the high end side....last time i survey it cost around 2.2k+

while 3500 on the cheap side....its only cost rm1899 in most of the electrical shop

Added on November 25, 2011, 10:19 am
as mentioned by other bro...

if u wan to use LCD TV as monitor which what i doin it....

i think u need to choose those LCD come with FULL HD cause the resolution can go up to 1920 x 1080

those HD Ready cant give u this kind of resolution

FYI what i heard from the promoter in the market , Full HD 32" LCD aint producing anymore in the market......and i regret sold it for rm665

choose plasma?
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you're wrong by definition.

Any HD ready LCD can take 1080i or 1080p signals with no problem, as well as analog RGB or digital DVI at 1920x1080 resolution with no problem whatsoever, it gets auto-scaled to 768p.

Full HD is just a marketing hype and just another way to say it has 1920x1080 native resolution.

Does it really make any difference? the real question is whether you PC gfx have enough juice at that resolution but If you're talking about console gaming those HD ready did just as good as in picture quality sense.

Added on November 26, 2011, 12:34 amA TRUE LED TV, not some fake LED LCD TV . I wonder when will we be able to see these technological wonders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemkcBDHQQA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiKY2qprV90&feature=relmfu

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QUOTE(rayz1031 @ Nov 28 2011, 06:52 PM)
Hey guys, I tried to browse through the conversation here but it's too much to stomach. I need some advice from you all regarding what kinda TV that I should be getting.

I need a LCD/LED TV for Astro Beyond HD, I might purchase a PS3 in future so wanted to keep that as one of the future point. I went to BEST @ 1u and HSL, founded that there is too many option to choose from.

Firstly, should I go for LED or LCD? My budget is around RM1.5k give and take.
Second, should I go for Full HD or HD Ready?
Third, brand. Any will do ? As I not fan boy of any brand.

Those are the 3 main concern that I had, hope you guys can help me with it.
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The question should be cold cathode florescent lamp / tube (CCFL) or LED as for backlight, as both technology utilising liquid crystal displays (LCD).

1. CCFL - tested durability and proven track record, should last a lifetime, color spectrum is more towards green. White appear yellowish-green. No problems on uniformity.

2. LED arrays - no track record yet on durability of high lumens WLEDs, color spectrum is more towards violet. White appear bluish-violet. Has hotspots when viewing black material = have issues with uniformity.


If you want something slim get LED LCD TV, if looks doesn't matter to you get the more durable CCFL LCD TV.

Added on November 28, 2011, 9:08 pmAs for Full HD or HD Ready, both can take 1080 interlaced 50/60Hz and 1080 progressive 24hz with no problem whatsoever.

HD Ready auto-scaled it to 768 lines, either 1024x768 or 1360x768 depending on native resolution of the set.

You wont notice the difference in 1080 mode when viewed at 6 feet above, unless you observe the screen at 50 cm or so.

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QUOTE(ikaria @ Dec 1 2011, 02:13 PM)
Hi all, a quick question here. my friend wanna sell a Panasonic 32" LCD tv bought roughly 1 1/2 years before. he doesnt know wht model it is but it is only HDReady.

What price should he expect for that?
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I wouldnt pay more than RM400.

Electronic components have tendency to fail after 2 years of use. One component fail will cause more component to fail.
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post Dec 17 2011, 09:06 PM

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In reality average Malaysian only use up to 720p.

480p, 576p - DVD , Standard Astro

720p - PC gaming, PS3, XBOX360, BD Ripped, Astro Beyond, and etc...

1080p - True Blu-Ray, Full HD recorded contents..

For PC gaming at 1080p 60hz performance, you'll need at least a GPU with GT560 or HD5850 with DDR5 ram or higher, else might as well forget it.

HD Ready sets with 768p lines can take all 480p, 576p,720p and 1080p and up-convert/down-convert it.

At sensible viewing distant , 720p and 1080 is not noticeable to our even on Full HD 1980x1080 set.

If PRICE , PERFORMANCE and SIZE matters the most, HD-Ready plasma is the best candidate.

New models Full HD Plasma are quite expensive by comparison to LCD or LED/LCD. They also consume 25-30% more power than their HD Ready counterpart.

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Dec 30 2011, 12:36 AM)
found a youtube video comparing between 600Hz Plasma and 200Hz LCD

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The video is dumb. they cant simply use video camera to compare, the camera shutter speed is not the same as human sight.

PDP is a pulse-stream type and LCD display is a stand-hold type. Do you think the camera can catch-up with 600hz ?
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QUOTE(tiangkim @ Jan 13 2012, 12:37 AM)
hi all,

can someone recommend me a 40" tv for HD?  Main usage is Astro HD Sports chanel.  My Aquos 50Hz gives me many ball 'shadows' due to low frequency....

went to a shop, they recom me new Samsung 400Hz.  I was thinking new 4colours aquos but only 100Hz....

Thanks for advice.
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Motion Rate is a samsung benchmark score that is comparable to other samsung models only and does not cross to other brand.

400hz motion rate is NOT EQUAL to 400hz refresh rate.

Samsung highest refresh rate is 240hz, only available on D8000 sets ONLY, below it should be 120hz or 60hz.

To reduce "image blur" on your 50hz set, reduce sharpness setting to 20% or below.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 16 2012, 12:42 PM)
So whats the difference between Motion Rate and Refresh Rate? Philips uses the the term 'Perfect Motion Rate'. The PMR for the 42PFL7406 is 400Hz.
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Clear Motion RATE is a scoring combination of the 3

1) Refresh rate 2) LED backlight scanning / Pulsing 3) Pixel Response time.

You cant compare to models from different manufacturer. proprietary to manufacturer.

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jan 21 2012, 11:15 PM)
how to check which LCD using a fake FPS limiter which limit 30fps ?
heard that some lcd tv only have 30fps and misleading buyer said 60hz = 60fps ?
how to check on it ? thanks smile.gif
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They are 2 different concepts.

60hz refers to vertical scan frequency of a video signal.

30fps is the content frame rate.

Videos are 30fps encoded, films are at 24fps.

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jan 22 2012, 01:00 AM)
So how to identified the lcd can run up to 60fps ? video and films ?
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They use frame-doubling to 60fps for deinterlacing in 60hz progressive scan. But in reality the content is still 30fps.

Most 120hz mid-range LCD have motion interpolation feature that creates new frames to compensate motion blur, 30fps is upscanned to 50-60fps and displayed on 100/120hz refresh rate.

Look for MotionPlus , motionflow and etc...
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jan 22 2012, 01:18 AM)
So, normally film content is 24 fps ? and movie 30 fps ? i though all 60fps ?
What about astro ? HD and normal TV1,2,3 channel using antenna ?
sorry newbie here  unsure.gif
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upconverted during deinterlacing process, they call it pulldown.

60hz Interlace scan video has 1/2 frame per hz.

60hz progressive can be a 2:3 (24fps) pull down or 2:2 (30fps) pulldown (frame repeats).

So generally they are still 24fps or 30fps.

True 60fps signal comes from gaming console and PC.

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jan 22 2012, 01:34 AM)
If buying a Bluray movie , the content of the movie is still capped at 30fps ??? .
Do you have any article which explain briefly about it ? still confuse . but , can you difference between 24 vs 30 fps on movie ? or 60fps on movie ?
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no there isnt any 60fps movie.

Blu-ray can either be in film 24p or video recorded 30fps.

Added on January 22, 2012, 1:42 amdo you mean the interpolating feature?

30fps moview can be displayed at 50-60fps using interpolating frames feature on the TV set itself, processed digitally.

I think it adds more artefacts then removes judder

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QUOTE(seznke @ Jan 26 2012, 09:04 PM)
60 fps is max? Sound like a 15 year old tech when some ps1 games runs on 60 fps already
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60fps on a 120hz progressive display, not smooth enough?

We're talking about movies not gaming.

Can you give an example of video codecs that support over 60fps?

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 27 2012, 11:15 PM)
any recommended tv for playing ps3 in my room, probably viewing distance is like 2-2.5m. is it worth to pay extra for 1080p for a 32inch led?
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I'm afraid not, PS3 native resolution for 3d rendering is mostly 720p, up-scanned to 1080p on the TV.

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The reason to go for 1080p native;

1) depends how much extra you're paying

2) Defective 1080p 32 inch panel with the vertical thin black lines are less noticeable compared to the 1360x768 version due pixel size.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 28 2012, 08:55 AM)
i guess i'll be paying 1k-1.5k max.. my room arent big tho.. seems like most of the games are the same reso.. I saw samsung have a 32inch led tv with clear motion rate 100, does it produce better motion? I have my eye on samsung UA32D5000PR, toshiba 32PS10E, sony KDL-32EX520.
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LED will flashes 100hz if there are fast motion on the scene, this feature is to reduce perceived ghosting.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 29 2012, 12:50 AM)
saw review saying the black level arent nice sad.gif is it really that bad?
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For gaming? not at all. Unless you're picky movie junkie.
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QUOTE(djronzai @ May 14 2012, 01:03 AM)
hello guys , i am dilemma on choosing between plasma TV or LCD tv, FYI, it is for the main family to watch shows from 8TV or NTV7 or astro (NO GAMES, OR BLUERAY) , so which is better in these terms ? currently im into samsung plasma 43e451, so how u guys thinks?
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Since you dont play games, i'd say scrap lcd/led.

Go for plasma they're bigger and well priced, they beat any high-end lcd/led for SD contents like tv3, ntv7, 8tv and etc. Even the HD Ready 43 inch performs better than any 40-42" 60hz full HD LED TV in terms picture quality.
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QUOTE(Austin123 @ May 18 2012, 02:15 PM)
Samsung UA40EH5000 Clear Motion Rate is 100Hz or regular 50Hz/60Hz? I see different website different spec.  rclxub.gif
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Clear motion rate does not refer to Resfresh Rate. ALL series 5 offers a 60hz LCD panel.

Series 6 offers 120hz LCD.
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