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CyberianHusky
post Oct 13 2009, 05:49 PM, updated 11y ago

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13 October 2009

Another piece of KL’s past disappears... Aerial view of today’s demolition of 114 year old Pudu Jail, one of the oldest remaining buildings in the city. Selangor state engineer Charles Edwin Spooner oversaw the construction beginning in 1891, to completion in 1895. — Picture by Jack Ooi

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post Oct 13 2009, 05:51 PM

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we lost a historical landmark again....
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:52 PM

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I would say, keep part of Pudu Jail only.

The front and one block for historical purpose.
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:53 PM

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it includes the inside block only isn't it?
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:56 PM

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They should've retained the whole jail for history sake. It's all about the money. I've been inside before during a primary school outing. smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:57 PM

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Pudu jail is a waste of space la...

go build something better liao.... like shopping centres lalala..


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post Oct 13 2009, 05:57 PM

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post Oct 13 2009, 05:58 PM

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I say demolish everything, nothing sentimental about keeping Jails no matter how old it is.
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:58 PM

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omai..now i cannot use pudu jail as my landmark liao..i must promote time square liao sad.gif
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post Oct 13 2009, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ Oct 13 2009, 05:53 PM)
it includes the inside block only isn't it?
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Uproar over looming demolition of Pudu jail
May 29, 08 11:29am

Plans to demolish historic Pudu jail, where allied prisoners were imprisoned and executed during the brutal Japanese occupation, have Second World War veterans up in arms.

The site of prisoner-of-war tortures, interrogations and modern-day infamous hangings is set to be torn down later this year, to be replaced by a commercial centre and condominium complex on the prime area next to Bukit Bintang.

"Pudu jail should be preserved," said Charles Edwards, 89, who was a private in the Australian 8th Division, part of Commonwealth forces that defended Malaya, as it was then known, at the outset of the 1939-1945 war.

"So many Australians and allied soldiers died in places like Pudu, defending democracy and the lives of the people of Malaya," Edwards said from his home outside Melbourne.

"They made the ultimate sacrifice and Pudu is a reminder of that sacrifice which led to the freedom we enjoy now," he told AFP.

Japanese forces swept down the peninsula within days of the December 8, 1941 landings on the beaches of Singora and Pattani in southern Thailand and in Kota Bharu in Malaysia's northern Kelantan state.

By January 11, they had taken Kuala Lumpur which had been abandoned by the retreating British and pushed further south, capturing Singapore on Feb 15, 1942 and bringing the Malayan Campaign to an end in just 70 days.

With just 30,000 soldiers, the Japanese captured 150,000 British and Commonwealth troops in what wartime British prime minister Winston Churchill called "the worst disaster and greatest capitulation of British history."

"I was one of the first 30 Australians taken prisoner by the Japanese in World War II," said Edwards, who was captured in Johor.

In exchange for a new prison elsewhere

Along with 1,000 other men, Edwards spent nine months in Pudu, which had been built to house just 600 prisoners.

The cells were horrific, he said, each with a window the size of a shoebox.

"The conditions were shocking with wounded men, the cookhouse and the hastily dug 'benjos' (latrine pits) all within metres of each other," he said.

"Men were milling around with no leadership, filthy dirty, lice-filled and surviving on a half a cup of water per day.

"More men were brought in as the days went by until there were about 600 men in this small area of about 20 by 20 metres."

At great danger to himself, Edwards helped six men escape but they were caught and brought back to the jail where they were executed.

Edwards was one of many POWs who were sent on to Changi jail in Singapore and then to Thailand to build the the infamous Siam-Burma death railway, from which most never returned.

After the end of the war, Pudu continued to be used as a prison. In July 1986, Briton Kevin Barlow and Australian Brian Chambers were hanged there, the first Westerners to lose their lives under Malaysia's tough anti-narcotics laws.

The two were convicted of drug trafficking in an internationally publicised trial, and an appeal for clemency by the Australian prime minister was turned down.

Pudu was closed to make way for a prison museum but poor visitor numbers spelt a quick end to the venture and since 2005 it has been used as a holding centre for prisoners undergoing trial.

The Urban Development Authority is now preparing to tear down the jail. Its chairman Baharum Mohamad says the site was handed over in exchange for the construction of a new prison in Bukit Jalil.

But the decision to demolish Pudu has upset many.

"It is a historic building and there should be some trace of it," said Ahmad Sarji, chairman of the Malaysian Heritage Board.

"Even if you could keep the facade, about 20 feet (6 metres) to the left and right of the main gate which shows the date of its founding, that would be good," he said.

Lack of interest in Pudu's fate

bok mansion destruction 211206 aerial view of demolitionHistorians say Pudu's fate reflects a lack of interest in heritage in Malaysia, where significant buildings continue to be torn down, including the charming century-old Bok House (right) in downtown Kuala Lumpur.

An early example of the fusion between European and local architecture, it was nevertheless demolished in 2007 after only a brief outcry.

Military historian Brian Farrell, who has written extensively on the Malayan Campaign, said the authorities should consider preserving part of the building, one of the few intact 19th century prisons in the region.

"The real significance of Pudu is that it is right in the heart of the city and yet it has survived intact and undamaged," he said. "If nothing else, at least preserve some of the walls, the gate and have a small museum."

In contrast, plans to tear down the infamous Changi Prison in neighbouring Singapore were met with stiff opposition in 2001.

"When news leaked that Changi was to be demolished, there was a chorus of protests not only from locals but also from many overseas," says Jeyathurai Ayadurai, director of the Changi Prison Museum.

"Five Australian ministers wrote to the Singapore government asking for a reversion of the decision," he said.

"It was partly due to this protest and outcry that a section of the Changi Prison wall and its iconic gates were preserved."

Pudu is unlikely to benefit from such a campaign as each year sees the number of veterans decline.

"Unfortunately, I do not think there are enough voices left here in Australia or in the UK to launch a protest in the same way Changi supporters managed," said Australian historian Lynette Silver.

(sumber: malaysiakini.com)

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whatever building is going to be built there, its gonna be haunted wooo
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Oct 13 2009, 06:57 PM)
i've been inside the hanging room
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I heard that room is the preferred hangout for lalas.
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QUOTE(Panda @ Oct 13 2009, 05:57 PM)
Pudu jail is a waste of space la...

go build something better liao.... like shopping centres lalala..
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got ghost later...and lalazhais like Kitzhai will go investigate.
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Not just Pudu Jail, Kuching Vegetable Market also demolished

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/7406-kuchi...ge-under-threat

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Kuching’s heritage under threat
Submitted by pekwan on Tuesday, July 7th, 2009

5 buildings torn down, fate of 2 more uncertain
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Tuesday, July 7th, 2009 07:22:00

KUCHING

HERITAGE DESTROYED: The Kuching vegetable market being demolished. It was built in 1935
NEARLY 140 years of history has been demolished. And all for a place for families to stroll about. Kuching recently lost a number of historical buildings on its waterfront and some locals are trying to save the two remaining from the wrecking ball.

But their pleas are being ignored.

Five heritage buildings have already been torn down. Among those still standing include the Garment Store, which was built around 1929, and the fish market, dating back to the 1870s. Sarawak's first museum, which is
as old as the fish market, was sadly torn down.

These buildings are scheduled to make way for the expansion of the Kuching waterfront by the end of the year.
Chief Minister Tan Sri Abdul Taib Mahmud gave the order for an esplanade to be built for families to relax and spend their weekends.

Malay Mail received a distress call from a reader from Sarawak who was upset about losing these buildings.

"It's what we have to remind us of our history, proof that what we have in the books are not just legends. The last White Rajah of Sarawak had a hand in the construction of the fish market," said Jimmie Ningkan, 65.

The only person who seems to be fighting to have the buildings saved is Peter Pui, Kuching City North Commission councillor.

He has demanded on numerous times for the plans of the waterfront but has yet to receive them. All Pui got was the cost for the construction of the esplanade estimated at RM7.9 million.

"Demolition of these two buildings is underway. Luckily for us, the rainy weather has slowed down the work," said Pui.

The remaining buildings can still be preserved if work can be stopped in time. Since the plan to tear down the
buildings came to light around four  months ago, Pui has received numerous complaints and pleas from
the locals and cultural associations to stop work.

Even Unesco has been to the area to certify that it is indeed a heritage for the country.  But no stop-work order has been issued so far.

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post Oct 13 2009, 06:08 PM

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so its going to be gone d?
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post Oct 13 2009, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Oct 13 2009, 05:57 PM)
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Same here, had the demo with music and voiceover played in the background tongue.gif
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wat they gonna built?
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post Oct 13 2009, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Oct 13 2009, 05:57 PM)
i've been inside the hanging room
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gua too also got go before.

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