20 minutes talk by Sir Ken Robinson: Do schools kill creativity?


Any PhD holder?? please comment a bit.

hahaha. nice talk izzit? wonderful.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 10 2009, 04:33 PM

Creativity can not be killed. It can be suppressed, but not killed entirely.

Very good talk. Highlights the right place

i've updated post #1 for the video to load directly.

Pink Floyd said the same thing before he did but on a more serious note he does have a point.

Sorry couldn't resist



This post has been edited by frags: Oct 10 2009, 06:39 PM

yes!! they all thought education is more important than creativity!

it depends on what you learn and how you are taught.

people can actually be taught in school to discover and expand their talents in creativity. that's y we have these places called art schools.

education IS still important, bcoz it forms the building blocks of creativity. the more things u know, the more powerful ur output of creativity will be.

u cant simply design a chair without understanding the characteristics of sitting - anthropometry, psychology, structure, material properties and so on. to understand that, u need to a firm grasp on human behaviour and basic physics. and to know that, u need to be able to read and understand.

without education, u will be severely limited to "trial and error", a tedious and exhaustive method of using brute force to solve a simple problem.

I agree with u, for that reason malaysian comedian are not creative invent good joke n their movie lack of inovative element. All this due to result of lack of knowledge. I would say the more u have information (knowledge) , the more u can invent a good joke

u use comedy as an example of creativity? wow u dont make this easy, do ya? lol.




i can talk about creativity in design, as i study it, have done research on it, and teaching it. i dont believe there's has been any research done on creativity in comedy. somebody should do a PhD on that!

Doesn't this relate to the other thread? But just restating what some other forumer said : You can't kill creavitiy.

stunning the growth of creativity is as close as killing one.

a better question is who is more creative? a musician or an accountant?

well, a creative musician makes me happy; a creative accountant makes me worry .

Must creativity only been linked to art & drama? Aren't programmers and mechanical engineers creative as well?

I don't believe schools affect creativity. Creativity should come from your lifestyle and experiences, in or out of school.

The only thing that would kill creativity will be laziness.

The problem is not to do with education, but more to do with how education is carried out. Looking at the Pink Floyd, what I find a lot of ppl mistook it as a criticism against education, but what it is is really a criticism against what that is perceived as education, or rather how the act of educating is currently carried out.

Now, no doubt that discipline is important, but the question is, how do you achieve the proper balance between discipline and creativity? Bend too far in one direction, and you get robots, and too far in the other direction, and you get a unruly mob.

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Added on October 21, 2009, 7:23 pmcreativity matters in more places than just art you know.

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Added on October 21, 2009, 7:24 pmdepends really. have you tried asking a musician to pull an Enron?

This post has been edited by fyire: Oct 21 2009, 07:24 PM

i get what Ken is saying.
however, for me education is the foundation of creativity. you can't be creative without being educated.

like what? waving crayons on paper and walls all life? you gotta learn to use a crayon in order to perform marvels with it dunnit?

it's as simple as you gotta know, in order to create. you can't expect an untrained mind to work marvels at cooking or ice-skating without the skills to do it right..

so yeah, i'm echoing the thoughts of azarimy and fyire.

The reverse is also true.

The more creative one is, the more chances that one can come up with (or synthesise) new knowledge based on some other older knowledge.

So the one way street of "education --> knowledge --> creativity" is no longer the only viaduct to attain enlightenment.

You're still not getting the point. Creativity and Education are not 2 things that are opposites of each other.

like I said earlier:

its the same thing as in the video posted too. its not a criticism of schools itself, but rather on how education is carried out in schools.

This post has been edited by fyire: Oct 22 2009, 04:15 PM

Hi all

first time here.

I am still in school. My final year in STPM.

I would agree fyire that it's not education that is the problem but how it is carried out. Personally my experience is that it really depends on us. Creativity comes in a lot of forms. Some would prefer the stereotype view of a creative persons as someone that is artsy and talented in crafts, music, literature etc. But some (i think most of us) will feel that it is more than that.

Creativity involves a lot more. Creative in solving hard mathematics puzzles is one. Thinking out of the box for certain questions of Biology, Chemistry and Physics is one way to develop creativity. Not that many do that now. Most will oft for copying and referring rather than sitting down and slowly think about these things.

It truly depends on how education is carried out.
like one of my teachers that give hard brain-twisting questions that arise from simple concepts, all we need to do is to use and link those concepts creatively. That's training. That's nurturing.

But not all are lucky to have dedicated teachers.

Hrmm..actually creativity is one element..the other element is attitude

That y people always talk about EQ and IQ

However, still i agreed, school does supress the kid creativity, after i being there already last time