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 Stock Market V41, OCTOBEAR vs OCTOBULL - Who's d winner?

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post Oct 7 2009, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Neon_ @ Oct 7 2009, 02:14 PM)
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...95&sec=business

Conspiracy theory of KLK faulty transaction
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It really looks like conspiracy.
The pre-closing session was over but the trade on higher price managed to slip through.
Later, there were follow up trades on the same price.
At the end, the trades were allowed by Bursa.
Just wonder, the Bursa got bugs. sweat.gif
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post Oct 7 2009, 02:52 PM

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The way I view the conspiracy is from the trade system perspective.
The price is high jacked to the level after the pre-closing session.
Suppose, if no matched trade in the pre-closing session, the final closing trade price should be the last done price.
But, the system failure or "bugs" allow the different price pop up.
So, this is causing some possibilities that there will be new future cases coming in beyond our expectation.
The Bursa Trade system is not fool-proof.

The case not happen to most of the active counters that have a lot of queue in the bid-spread but happen to the thin volume counter.
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post Oct 7 2009, 03:00 PM

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Do you notice 2nd Oct Lowest is 1198.5.
It is even better gain for FKLI.

But the case is, I feel Bursa need to fix the loophole.
Or else, people tend to abuse it.
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post Oct 7 2009, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 7 2009, 03:03 PM)
The order was keyed-in during 4.45-4.50 period which determine the TCP, so if someone flock the system with high price order like KLK case, TCP needs to be at 17.00 as buyer at 17.00 outmuscled the seller side.
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Well, I notice the trade done on 4.52pm which was after TCP.
Unluckily, I didn't capture the screen. doh.gif
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post Oct 7 2009, 03:16 PM

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If the TCP agreed on 17.00, the transaction will be carried on 4.50pm.
But it was on 4.52pm, and the KLCI index was fixed on 4.50pm.
After the KLK transaction, the Bursa have to clarify and announce the KLCI was inflated to higher level at end of the day.
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post Oct 7 2009, 03:25 PM

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Well said Aurora97, we never know this might be god's hand. biggrin.gif
Anyway, it happens. So, bear in mind that we can be either who benifited or loser.
We need to keep the market as fair as we can.
Or else, how long can the market sustain the players if there are bully on the rules loophole?
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post Oct 7 2009, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Oct 7 2009, 03:55 PM)
I tend to agree with cherroy that this isn't any conspiracy.This is what I observed on my BFE terminal that day:

Someone keyed in a market order to buy KLK during the pre-closing session(1645hr to 1650hr),quantity I can't remember,TCP appeared as RM17 as buyer overwhelm sellers.( There was an uproar in my office then ,thats why I remember).

At 1650hr,Trading at last session starts,but there was no matching for KLK while other stocks were being matched.We were wondering why.(This was later explained when Bursa  in it's explanation clarify that KLK status was at "Reserved",in this state,no matching will be done and the broker initiated the buying market order can actually withdraw the order if he so wish.At this point,we were frantically searching for clients with KLK shares so that we can take advantage of the situation.

Matching at RM17 started at around 4.52pm after the "reserved status"was over,there were still buyers at RM17 after the first round of matching,everyone was so excited that all were calling their clients to sell but it was too late,big sellers came in and sellers overwhelm buyer then.chicken ran away liao!

To me,it's a  case where someone who keyed in a market order did not withdraw it before 1650 hr,could be due to many reasons but most likely,it's a case of oversight especially if that person keyed many market orders for many counters.This practice of market sell and market buy orders during pre-closing was prevalent before ,but after the KLK incident happened,I see very few  yesterday.

This is a good lesson for the big boys,always play play, have a taste of their own medicine.In fact,I think many of us are very happy that the perpetrator have to folk out 0.5m for they have been doing this kind of monkey business  far too often,thereby influenced the closing price.

If it is a conspiracy,there got to be a motive ,In this case,if try to influence the closing price,then they have suceeded but very costly and even a 3 year old knows that the price will fall back the next day.If the motive is to influence the FKLI closing,it is not month end and the perpetrator should also know that the FKLI opening next day will be down too since the KLK price will open lower.

We can expect less monkey business during the closing from now on.Something to cheer cheers.gif
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lklatmy, nice explanation. notworthy.gif
This is what I am looking for.
Indeed, very thorough answer.
I agree that the guy didn't withdrew the market order during the "Reserved" state causing the jacked up price done.
So, I am sure he also won't ask Bursa to remedy his losses since he himself didn't want to withdraw.
It is lucky to have you as the dealer. You took the opportunity well.
Congratulation. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
I am happy for your site too. biggrin.gif
This is a lesson that we can learn from this case.

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