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I have been searching around and there is no thread or subforums are discussing this. So basically i got no choice except to post it here.

Well, lately it has been quite hazzy and hot. 1.5hp seem doesnt enough for my living room and dont get really cold especially 3pm-5pm. What kind of aircon are good for 2hp? And panasonic inverter and envio, do they really save electricity by a lot and cleaning the air? Because some people said the envio technology just a gimmick. I heard about YORK, they says its noisy but cold.
Currently i am aiming for panasonic aircons. And i dont really like LG though.

So, i hope to get some recommendations from u guys, since most of u are enjoying bluray/ps3 and i believe ur living room is aircon-ed rooms. Feedbacks from aircon seller would be much appreciated. biggrin.gif


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post Sep 30 2009, 09:55 PM


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DAIKIN is the best so far.
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post Sep 30 2009, 09:56 PM


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Go for Daikin Inverter, nothing is better than Daikin Inverter.

Forget about Panasonic Inverter, the service cost will make you cry.

If your hall is really big, consider installing York casette type, 2.5hp should be enough.
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u need to measure the size of your room and calculate the cooling load u need b4 rushing off to get 1
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post Sep 30 2009, 10:02 PM


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Yup, that would be best, go ahead and measure the sqf.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Sep 30 2009, 10:56 PM)
Go for Daikin Inverter, nothing is better than Daikin Inverter.

Forget about Panasonic Inverter, the service cost will make you cry.

If your hall is really big, consider installing York casette type, 2.5hp should be enough.
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My living room actually is medium size. Daikin Inverter and non inverter, the difference just the inverter saves electricity? the rest are same right? Actually im not getting a panasonic inverter. Just standard type 2.0hp. So standard daikin 2hp is better than standard pana 2hp?
Daikin FT50FVM/R50BV1 2.0hp - RM2,190 vs CS-PC18JKH 2.0hp - RM2,150

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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 30 2009, 10:02 PM)
My living room actually is medium size. Daikin Inverter and non inverter, the difference just the inverter saves electricity? the rest are same right? Actually im not getting a panasonic inverter. Just standard type 2.0hp. So standard daikin 2hp is better than standard pana 2hp?
Daikin FT50FVM/R50BV1 2.0hp - RM2,190 vs CS-PC18JKH 2.0hp - RM2,150
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Not only saves electricity, it cools your room faster, and inverter's motor are more silent compared to non-inverter... so if you outdoor unit is just outside your porch, that noise could be irritating.
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post Sep 30 2009, 11:45 PM


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I think you can improve more on the air conditioning. It prvents us from moist from the area. Just feel relax and comfortable. smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2009, 07:28 AM


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The main contractor for supplying air con to my company's office uses both York and Panasonic air-con in his home.
His children rooms uses York whilst the master bedroom and Hall uses Panasonic.
According to him, if less than 1.5 HP, no point getting inverter cos the saving in electric bill will be wipe out by the expensive installation and servicing!
York are more durable, colder but noisy cos their blower pushes more air out. Which is why they are popular among business establishment.
Panasonic are quiet but sensitive and not so cold as compare to York.
Both do help clean the air but don't expect too much as they can't not be better than the dedicated HEPA air cleaner/purifier.
If serious about air purifier, look for one with HEPA filters and Plasmacluster Ion Technology.
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post Oct 1 2009, 07:51 AM


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I have 2 panasonic air cond in my house. So far maintenaince cost very minimum. Never had any issue before the with the air cond. Is already 6 years old.
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post Oct 1 2009, 08:36 AM


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QUOTE(sonerin @ Oct 1 2009, 07:51 AM)
I have 2 panasonic air cond in my house. So far maintenaince cost very minimum. Never had any issue before the with the air cond. Is already 6 years old.
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Those were the days when Panasonic were the best. Standards were very high and have very good and consistent QC, but alas.....
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Sep 30 2009, 09:56 PM)
Go for Daikin Inverter, nothing is better than Daikin Inverter.

Forget about Panasonic Inverter, the service cost will make you cry.

If your hall is really big, consider installing York casette type, 2.5hp should be enough.
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good deal with york casette unit 2 hp.....i've been used this brand about 1 and 1/2 years for my living room... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 30 2009, 09:52 PM)
I have been searching around and there is no thread or subforums are discussing this. So basically i got no choice except to post it here.

Well, lately it has been quite hazzy and hot. 1.5hp seem doesnt enough for my living room and dont get really cold especially 3pm-5pm. What kind of aircon are good for 2hp? And panasonic inverter and envio, do they really save electricity by a lot and cleaning the air? Because some people said the envio technology just a gimmick. I heard about YORK, they says its noisy but cold.
Currently i am aiming for panasonic aircons.  And i dont really like LG though.

So, i hope to get some recommendations from u guys, since most of u are enjoying bluray/ps3 and i believe ur living room is aircon-ed rooms. Feedbacks from aircon seller would be much appreciated.  biggrin.gif
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inverter is only good if the space are enclose such as room or office that keep the cold air in.

go for non inverter aircon for living room unless u have a close type living room.
otherwise, leaking cold air through staircase, kitchen and etc... inveter aircon will always run at full power to cool the space down especially with underpower aircon unit, it will eventually uses more electricity if not about the same compare to non inverter type.

do Google and read up how inverter save cost. they work well only in enclose space that allow the motor to run at slower constant speed.

hope this help

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post Oct 1 2009, 03:03 PM


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one thing abt York, the spare parts are the cheapest. Most expensive I hear is Mitsubishi and other Japanese brands.

No point buying an aircon where even a small part is RM400 or RM500 when the whole aircon only cost RM1000
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post Oct 1 2009, 03:18 PM


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haha, this sure is 'refreshing' talking about A/Cs away from the usual TVs and Subwoofers here .. yawn.gif .... laugh.gif

My opinion is that for Malaysian standard living room we need at least 2 kudas.

If your living room is those that stretch all the way back to the kitchen (ie, not enclosed area), do not expect artic conditions, just cool breeze.

As for the invertors, if you are looking at it for cost-savings, you need to know that are a few criterias to achieve that, most likely abnormal settings that we do not comply. For 'air-purifying', don't dream, get a seperate full-fledged one. You should also know that invertors a/c have more costly entry and maintenance cost, right?
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post Oct 1 2009, 03:28 PM


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Hi,

I m using Hitachi n Panasonic(from window units to inverter/non inverter) aircons .
1 Hitachi split unit developed a prblm due to sum ic not workin after warranty period, unfortunately. 2 others hvnt had any prblms so far. Its abt 5yrs old, now.. other than tat Hitachi isnt too bad..
Panasonic window units are pretty reliable - hv 2 stil tickin on - cumin to yr 20 liao.. Non inverter ones are reliable too.. one unit ard 8/9yrs still blowin cold air.. Inverter ones are fine too but then again tis is only 2yrs old - didnt see much savings in electricity thou'..
U can save a bit on servicing by keepin de cooling coil fins/blower fan vanes clean n clear in de indoor unit n oso flush de outdoor unit of gunk n dust (just spray it wif a hose..) If tis dont work, then u nid profesional help liao ..

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post Oct 1 2009, 03:40 PM


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My office use Acson Ceiling Cassette.....

NEVER BUY ACSON brand!!!...It breakdowns like twice a month.
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Today i bought Panasonic 2hp ionizer. Rm2.3k like that. My living room is enclosed but cool air will go up upstair though. Ill post my living room pics if i got time. Later on will test the aircon kao kao. Hopefully it will serves me well. Actually im getting a daikin, but my hometown there is no daikin dealer so have to buy panasonic lo.

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I will install 2 1HP at different location. In night time or cool day you may off one to save electricity and if 1 spoil you still have one to use. My installer tell me 1.5HP above is expansive to service, consume electric, parts don't last and expansive.

Panasonic is a trusted brand but expansive, you may try Haier, China brand but quite good.
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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 1 2009, 03:46 PM)
My living room is enclosed but cool air will go up upstair though.
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Never realised cool air rises blink.gif hehehe

Anyways, some factors for consideration in selecting of a/cond for the home:

1. Budget range
2. Noise level during operations (both compressor and blower units) - You don't want to be kept awake right?
3. Reliability - Does not matter if parts are cheap. No point buying a brand/model if high failure/breakdown rate
4. Energy consumption - determined by how often the unit is utilised hence, inverter or non-inverter type
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Oct 1 2009, 03:58 PM)
Never realised cool air rises blink.gif hehehe

Anyways, some factors for consideration in selecting of a/cond for the home:

1.  Budget range
2.  Noise level during operations (both compressor and blower units) - You don't want to be kept awake right?
3.  Reliability - Does not matter if parts are cheap. No point buying a brand/model if high failure/breakdown rate
4.  Energy consumption - determined by how often the unit is utilised hence, inverter or non-inverter type
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QUOTE(mois @ Oct 1 2009, 03:46 PM)
Ill post my living room pics if i got time. Later on will test the aircon kao kao. Hopefully it will serves me well.
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Ya I forgot to mention, that's one thing good about Panasonic, every lubang also got dealer and service agent. laugh.gif
Living room pics with home theater sets and big screen LCD/Plasma?

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How I choose/buy an air-con depend on how easy it is to take apart! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 1 2009, 04:56 PM)
How I choose/buy an air-con depend on how easy it is to take apart! tongue.gif
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Hi ya, was expecting same model as my units. These panasonic guys very smart to change the casing style and installation/dismantling method.

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 1 2009, 05:45 PM)
Hi ya, was expecting same model as my units. These panasonic guys very smart to change the casing style and installation/dismantling method.
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My model old type already. Anyway the latest Panny air-con is very 'fragile' esp the outside unit. Very noisy after a few years. That is why I chg to Tosihba. If my air-con kaput I might consider York. nod.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 1 2009, 06:33 PM)
My model old type already. Anyway the latest Panny air-con is very 'fragile' esp the outside unit. Very noisy after a few years. That is why I chg to Tosihba. If my air-con kaput I might consider York.  nod.gif
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Be advised that Yorks tend to get noisy after some time too sweat.gif
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I put my outdoor unit on the roof, so it's hidden from sight and no noise pollution. But the conceal copper from ground floor to roof costs a bomb. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Oct 1 2009, 07:34 PM)
I put my outdoor unit on the roof, so it's hidden from sight and no noise pollution. But the conceal copper from ground floor to roof costs a bomb. sweat.gif
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Bear in mind too that the further the distance between the compressor and blower, cooling capability will degrade
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Oct 1 2009, 07:39 PM)
Bear in mind too that the further the distance between the compressor and blower, cooling capability will degrade
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I'm just staying in a low cost house, so the distance is not really that far really. No problem for me blush.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Oct 1 2009, 08:11 PM)
I'm just staying in a low cost house, so the distance is not really that far really. No problem for me  blush.gif
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wow, really elite, call kemuning houses low costs.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Oct 1 2009, 08:11 PM)
I'm just staying in a low cost house, so the distance is not really that far really. No problem for me  blush.gif
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kemuning is low cost?! shocking.gif

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wow, really elite, call kemuning houses low costs..  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Oct 1 2009, 09:36 PM)
The real elite is the joker from TTDI biggrin.gif
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The real elite is the joker from TTDI biggrin.gif
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Back to topic, anyone using the latest Hitachi Inverter? It looks really good, with 3 yrs body warranty and 7 years compressor warranty! shocking.gif
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 1 2009, 04:56 PM)
How I choose/buy an air-con depend on how easy it is to take apart! tongue.gif
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you may consider Hitachi. it has the highest BTU in its class. I just installed one unit in my bedroom.
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you may consider Hitachi. it has the highest BTU in its class. I just installed one unit in my bedroom.
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Is it the latest design? How much is it including installation?
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I'll wait for an aircon that double up as a FullHD projector and can plug the USB cable for multimedia ...haha
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I'll wait for an aircon that double up as a FullHD projector and can plug the USB cable for multimedia ...haha
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Super cold air-con? Full HD projector? multimedia? THX?
If you can, do get an opportunity to visit the projector room for THX certified films in GSC cinema!
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Oct 2 2009, 05:03 PM)
Super cold air-con? Full HD projector? multimedia? THX?
If you can, do get an opportunity to visit the projector room for THX certified films in GSC cinema!
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The first THX certified Aircon...can't go wrong with that thumbup.gif
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Hitachi inverter 1hp model.
It is may not be the consider to buy.
For me I can said the fan blower and air swing motor are noisy operates in quiet mode like no quite mode.
Starting switch on from 1 - 2 hours didn't feel any cold down the place.
Must be used med fan speed and set to 23C.
At all times can hear wave noise and fan blower runing.
To compared the previous non-inverter model it is worst for quality control.
Noisy not cold condenser too small.
BTU higher is no used.
So after 1 week for install I change over to Mitsubishi electric starmex inverter.
It is just only 19dB for indoor and outdoor quite big size condenser.
Like my panasonic 2hp condenser.
For all the time I just set to 25C and low speed fan at 21dB.
It is easy clean model.
So far no comment.
My previous is used at 7yrs hitachi non-inverter 10k BTU.
Brand new Hitachi inverter all DC model let me very disappointed.

Just recent I change my living hall unit from panasonic 2hp non-inverter to 2.5hp Mitsubishi electric inverter model.
It is very quiet just only 30dB and used 26C can be cold at every corner.
Outdoor very quiet silent operates.
No regret to install Mitsubishi electric starmex air cond.

it's the hitachi DC inverter looks like and mitsubishi starmex.

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Added on December 28, 2010, 11:18 pminverter model for showing the part load and full load.

mitsubishi model are inported from singapore.

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I own one Hitachi 1HP inverter too, it is quite loud when the fan speed is max, the min speed fan noise is acceptable to me, I believe is around <23 db. normally I set to 25 degree and it is quite comfortable in my master room (400 sf).

The Hitachi inverter is pretty power efficient air-cond, I turn on 8 hours every day and it only consumes around 2-3 KWh per day.
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Dec 29 2010, 12:05 AM)
I own  one Hitachi 1HP inverter too, it is quite loud when the fan speed is max, the min speed fan noise is acceptable to me, I believe is around <23 db. normally I set to 25 degree and it is quite comfortable in my master room (400 sf).

The Hitachi inverter is pretty power efficient air-cond, I turn on 8 hours every day and it only consumes around 2-3 KWh per day.
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Yap, you are right.
The hitachi inverter to be installed in bigger master bedroom
To avoid the noise level.
Cause the fan blower air is wide and long but not at cold.
Some time can hear the noisy from blower out air it is already turn to quiet mode like no quiet with air swing motor can be make noise, up and Down non-stop.
Maybe my one out of quality Control.
For sure the energy very efficient switch 3 units on 8 hrs per days at 5~6KWh.
cause my mother in law used 27C and my sister in law room she also used 26, my room used 25C.

Wow your master bedroom very big size 6m x 6m.
No wonder can't hear the noise.
Mine just on top my sleeping bed area.
Room size 3m x 4m only.

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 28 2010, 09:58 PM)
Hitachi inverter 1hp model.
It is may not be the consider to buy.
For me I can said the fan blower and air swing motor are noisy operates in quiet mode like no quite mode.
Starting switch on from 1 - 2 hours didn't feel any cold down the place.
Must be used med fan speed and set to 23C.
At all times can hear wave noise and fan blower runing.
To compared the previous non-inverter model it is worst for quality control.
Noisy not cold condenser too small.
BTU higher is no used.
So after 1 week for install I change over to Mitsubishi electric starmex inverter.
It is just only 19dB for indoor and outdoor quite big size condenser.
Like my panasonic 2hp condenser.
For all the time I just set to 25C and low speed fan at 21dB.
It is easy clean model.
So far no comment.
My previous is used at 7yrs hitachi non-inverter 10k BTU.
Brand new Hitachi inverter all DC model let me very disappointed.

Just recent I change my living hall unit from panasonic 2hp non-inverter to 2.5hp Mitsubishi electric inverter model.
It is very quiet just only 30dB and used 26C can be cold at every corner.
Outdoor very quiet silent operates.
No regret to install Mitsubishi electric starmex air cond.

it's the hitachi DC inverter looks like and mitsubishi starmex.

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Added on December 28, 2010, 11:18 pminverter model for showing the part load and full load.

mitsubishi model are inported from singapore.

GE10VA
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GE24VA
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so which one is the best? cheap and good.. not that expensive
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QUOTE(graywilird @ Dec 1 2013, 07:44 AM)
so which one is the best? cheap and good.. not that expensive
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go for York non-inverter also cheap and good blush.gif
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air cond discussion here https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/751278
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go for York non-inverter also cheap and good  blush.gif
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how much they said york very noise?
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