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post Sep 30 2009, 10:43 AM

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Hey guys I'm looking for a pair of in-ear earphones. I listen mostly to rock, indie and some pop, film scores, electronic, but I'm not a basshead, so I'm looking for something neutral with a good balance of everything. Budget is RM200 - 300.

I've been recommended the following:
1. Crossroad Mylar Bijou
2. Hippo Boom
3. Soundmagic PL20 / PL50 / PL30

Are these suitable for me? And how does the Shure SE102 compare?

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post Sep 30 2009, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(nders @ Sep 30 2009, 11:54 AM)
i strongly suggest PL50 for your balanced music preference. raving reviews all over.
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I see. How much is it? And where can I get it?
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post Oct 6 2009, 09:30 PM

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So it boils down to these two: Shure SE102 or SoundMagic PL-50. Help me decide. A friend of mine fervently recommends the Shure, and I'm not too sure about Taiwan/China brands. How is the build quality?

Btw, I'm looking for something neutral and balanced, I listen mostly to rock and pop, and some film scores and electronic.
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post Oct 6 2009, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Oct 6 2009, 10:12 PM)
Taken from the "old, music-crazy geezers" over at Head-Fi (according to this one crazy dude over at twitter anyway):
From: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/my-revi...ic-pl50-431694/

Build seems to be solid too (for an all plastic IEM anyway), much improved compared to the days of the PL30 (ahhh bass knobs falling off) and my own PL11... It's their flagship for now summore... And with the newest batch, the little issue of the foam tips sticking too hard to the point of breaking the PL50's nozzles when changing tips seem to have been fixed...  biggrin.gif

Based on this, it'll be safe to say that the PL50 is your best bet. Bass is sufficient for electronica as well (for people seeking balanced sound anyhow)... biggrin.gif
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Alright, thanks! I dont have much to base my decision on anyhow, so this will probably do it.

Oh btw do the earphones sold by kitsune-fox have the foam tips issue?

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post Oct 12 2009, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Oct 11 2009, 11:21 PM)
Waahahaha... This one is either a request or an answer (sorry TS), but just posting to say my hands got really reallllllllly itchy and I got myself the PL50 + E5 (due to the fact that I can no longer promote the PL50s soooo much with a clear conscience without actually owning them)... rclxm9.gif

Initial impressions (w/o the E5, charging it rite now):

1) Great clarity - esp. the mids.

2) Bass is actually not bad at all (though, for comparison, I need to pump up the lowest end in EQ by 4-5 notches - the SP1 needs only 1-2).

3) Soundstage is noticeably narrower than the SP1 (intimate, call it).

4) Isolation is superior to the SP1 (the PL50s the best inbox Shure clones yet IMHO, the ones in the SP1 box don't even come close).

5) Cable is far, far better then the SP1 (thicker looking yet less microphonics - tested by tapping the cables).

Many thanks to Kitsune-Fox, via his prompt response from my SMSes, if not I would have been "saved" from getting them at all.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnd, my PR2s are coming (yes, they did finally appear),  and they're due next week!

Time for my own "China Mari Tembak-Tembak: The Budget Basshead IEM Psuedo-Shootout": The PR2 vs the SP1 vs the PL50 (as they have considerably good bass for a single BA) vs the Quattros (as reference - even if they ARE from Korea/Singapore actually); with and without the E5.

This should be fun - though breakfast, lunch and dinner for the next two weeks should be a rotation between Instant Mee or Rice + Sardines as a result of my splurging (read below).

P.S. Got a huge portable battery as well - one that can not only charge my 5800 at least 10 times from empty to full; it can power/charge my laptop as well! But that's a whole entirely different story, rite?
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Is the soundstage narrow? Reviews I read say the soundstage is pretty wide, especially for BA earphones. I dont want one with a narrow soundstage.
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post Oct 13 2009, 05:45 PM

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Ok I just bought myself an iPod classic. All I have at the moment are my stock ipod earphones, and I find them unsatisfactory (as expected). I'm looking to get a pair of PL50s, how do they compare with the stock ipods? I especially find the bass to be weak, and turning on bass booster simply results in distortion. Not sure if this is inherent in all iPods or the issue lies with the earphones. I know the PL50s dpnt have a lot of bass, but do they at least perform a lot better bass-wise than the stock earphones?
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post Oct 14 2009, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(chingwooi @ Oct 13 2009, 11:00 PM)
If you feel that the bass is weak, an easier yet economic way to improve the bass performance is to get a pair of foam xD It will provide btr seal and in return stronger bass.

P/S: iPod stock earphone is quite gd pair of earphone IMO after listening to it for a while when my IE8 masuk kilang tongue.gif
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I quite agree. After a couple of hours using it, I'm not sure it's the burn in effect or simply my ears getting used to it, but it did sound better. Average earphones, not bad in my ears, not very good either. So I'm moving on to better things (PL50).
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post Oct 18 2009, 12:16 AM

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I got my PL50 today. It's good, especially the mids. Bass quantity isnt very good, but I'm okay with that. Highs are okay but a bit muddy and lacks sparkle me think, probably drowned out a bit by the mids. Soundstage is alright, but use the silicone tips. The foamies are rubbish when it comes to soundstage. Maybe I havent seen many IEMs yet, but I dont find the build quality to be very good. Average or slightly above average I would say. Good for pop songs and vocals, so something like Lily Allen sounds great on these.

I think the next IEM I wanna try is one which is brighter and more analytical with high detail. I like my treble to be crisp and sparkling. is it true that dynamic drivers usually lack detail of BA earphones? Also, I like my soundstage to be very wide, since I sometimes listen to film scores and quite a number of my non-score tracks are quite orchestral. But I've read that dynamic drivers have single BA beat in this category. So, can anyone recommend dynamic driver earphones that has nice, bright highs? Below RM250.
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post Oct 18 2009, 10:01 AM

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Actually I find the foams to be comfortable, but that itself isn't enough to compensate for the narrower soundstage. Especially not when the silicone tips are comfortable too.

I'm not using any amp. and I cant manually adjust my EQ because I'm using an iPod classic. I tried bass booster but that simply creates distortion, so it's a no. I would like just slightly more bass, but in its current state it's not too shabby for me either because I'm not a bass addict. I do like myself some good treble though.

Anyway I'm no audiophile under any stretch of the imagination lol. This is my first time actually buying a pair of IEMs worth more than RM100, so yeah I'm not the guy who can give out advice. biggrin.gif

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post Oct 18 2009, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Oct 18 2009, 08:11 PM)
I 'd have to say, great observation. You actually have great ears for a non audiophile, to be able to discern so much (better then mine IMHO). I'd take it that I'm not really a wide soundstage kinda guy, as PL50's soundstage on my Silicone+Shure Foamies hybrid feels okay to me (the silicone on its own hates me. Can't get a proper seal even if my life depended on it. Havta experiment more later).

But, as long as I don't have my PR2 yet (said to have a good, JVC FX500 level soundstage) I can't really comment much about soundstage and such (not much to base my observations from).

It must be kept in mind though, IEMs have long been inferior in this respect (especially fully closed ones like the PL50) to earbuds, and normal headphones. It has always been more isolation = less soundstage --> less isolation (open design IEMs) = more soundstage; due to sacrifices that have to be made to make good SQ come out from such small things (at such paltry prices). IMHO, anyway.

So, next on the line, with better highs would prolly be the Head-Direct RE0 (RM300++ or the thereabouts - although it's available ONLY online) - little bass unamped, supposedly great highs. Most sub-RM300 IEMs I know of are of the bassy catagory - as I'm not really a treble person - so my knowledge of sub-RM300 IEMs with GREAT highs are quite limited.

Another source of IEMs with great clarity should be the Entymotics (am I even spelling them right), but I haven't done much research on these.

BUT, if my hunches serve me right, what you REALLY need is a good full sized headphone (for the wide soundstage). RM250 can net you some Audio Technica headies with great clarity, last I checked. But my knowledge regarding headies are darned limited - I DO plan to get one for home use later, maybe next year when I have enough resources.

ALSO, there's the thing about the sources (MP3 player) and the source files. Some sources sound brighter and some sound bassier; some have GREAT soundstaging and some put the sound right in your brains; some have great EQ ability, while some distort on everything but the defaults. I don't really have or have heard an iPod for an extended amount of time (except for the Touch) and my main portable source is my Nokia 5800 (warm, bass heavy, small-ish soundstage) so I can't comment much about that. Try searching Head-Fi with people with enough time to compare EVERYTHING audio related.

Its this synergy between the source AND the IEM is just as important IMHO (though there are those who would scoff at this idea - saying sources don't matter much) as just changing the IEMs.

Just something to keep in mind.
Hmm, thanks for the advice. I dont like earbuds, never liked them just dangling off the outside of the ears like that. laugh.gif So it's either IEMs or full-sized headphones, which I dont mind except for its bulkiness.

I've heard people say the iPod classic has great sound quality. I've also heard people say the quality is only average. But it was the only sane option for me, I need at least 40 or 50 GB, and I think only the iPod classic offers this, aside from the iPod touch or the Walkman (A series I think), both of which cost a lot more.

I read about the RE0 a few days ago when I was at the head-fi forums. Sounds good, but it's only available at head-direct.com right? I did a search here and no one carries it I think. $99 + shipping costs = not sure I can afford it yet.

I also read about some IEM by Fisher Audio, model Eterna I think, which is $59 but I think it's not available here. There's this guy ClieOS (or something like that) who reviews lots and lots of earphones and he's from malaysia too! I think you mentioned him a few pages back. Maybe I'll go ask for recommendations over at head-fi.

Anyway thanks Moniquee and Eiraku.

P/S: did your PL50s come with a manual? Cos mine didnt, and I thought the new batch should include one. And jimmy, the foams are a bit hard to remove. Not too hard though. Try using a bit more force and peel it back.
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post Nov 9 2009, 07:10 PM

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Anyone here tried both the RE0 and PL50 before? How do the soundstage and bass quantity compare between the two?

Btw, the RE0s are going for US$79 now.
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post Nov 10 2009, 10:06 AM

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No I'm not a bass addict, but the bass in the PL50s is just slightly underwhelming. Adequate for me, but I would like to have just a little more.

But I want a wider soundstage more.

I might wait for the Eterna impressions first before making my decision.
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post Nov 20 2009, 10:18 PM

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has anyone purchased from head-direct? I'm going to get a pair of RE0s. I wonder how long they will take to arrive
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:36 PM

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OK guys I ordered the RE0 last night. Do I get some kind of confirmation from head-direct or anything?

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