the FULL HD marketing point will be mute comes December 2009 when Toshiba retail its 2610p HDTV. The TV has the power of the graphic processor in PS3 game console and has built in harddisk recorder of 1.1 Terabyte. It can record several HD channel simultanously.


http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large...ay/LED/C7U6S9M2

World's Smartest 2160p Toshiba Cell TV On Sale Soon
By David Richards | Saturday | 19/09/2009


Toshiba has confirmed that they are close to launching a stunning new TV which will include the 64bit "Cell processor" which is the power processor used in Sony's new PS3 Playstation. It will also include a Blu ray player and a 1TB recorder in one unit and have a resolution three times greater than current 1080p TV's.

First tipped by SmartHouse in January 2009 the new LED powerhouse TV could be on sale in Australia by early 2010. It will go on sale in Japan in December 2009 and be shown at the 2010 CES show Toshiba has confirmed.

Called the "Cell Regza" the TV is so powerful that it is capable recording six HD TV channels at once while up scaling 1080p content to 3840 X 2160p.

We are also told that it will have a 1 Terabyte storage system built into the cell processor's personal video recorder. The Cell Broadband Engine was initially developed by IBM, Sony and Toshiba but is now owned by Toshiba with royalties being paid to Sony and IBM.

Masaaki Oosumi, president of Toshiba's Digital Media Network Company said "The new Cell Processor TV bring together Toshiba imaging, storage and network technologies".

He added "It will be Toshiba's flagship model in the true sense. It is the ultimate entertainment machine that brings more excitement than a movie in a theatre. I would like to let users experience the same sensation as they felt by watching a colour TV for the first time."

He did not reveal the exact specifications of the new TV. At the 2009 CES SmartHouse was shown the Cell processor which is capable of delivering images to a screen at 3 times the quality of current 1080p resolution.
Toshiba will announce the specifications of the Cell TV within days, he said. As for the pricing, said that it will be "fairly expensive" Oosumi said.

The heart of the new Sony PS3, Sony has spent the last three year singing the praises of the Cell processor before the cash strapped Company suddenly sold the manufacturing of the processor to Toshiba who are now set to deliver a series of offerings featuring a cell processor.

Idea is good but now which movie got 2610p? If using blu-ray discs, how many discs are require for a normal two to three hours movie?

"PLEASE INSERT DISC 2" maybe

maybe got RedRay Discs in the future that holds 100GB worth of data?
worse come to worse... since it has 1.1 TB HDD, all movies are downloaded (taking a few weeks since our streamyx is so "fast")

Another alternative could be the HSBB....Highly Slow BroadBand

bro g5sim, how many years u have been workign in toshiba?

upscale 1080p movies to 2160p and still deliver 3 times the quality of 1080p?!

either their taste is bad or the TV is good.

do they really need cell broadband?

hmm strange, i thought i was working for microsoft.

the TV using the power of PS3 Cell will up convert video sources to 2160p and pump them to the 2160p display

Watch Astro on this

who knows maybe astro SD will become as good as 1080p blu-rays

Normal DVD already red ray if I am not mistaken.

So successor to blue ray is what? Green ray?

in terms of laser wavelength red is long, blue is short.. green in middle..

maybe next will be T-rays..

already got this kind of scanner for airport to see under your clothes..

Lol... I cant imagine the quality of videos exceed 1080p....

How much better can the quality get?

1080p can already see the actors pubes in BD prawn, 2160p how?

Got additional function like zoom in and zoom out.

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Added on September 25, 2009, 12:08 pmSoon this 2160p will also obsolete since computer display standard already reach WHUXGA (Wide Hex[adecatuple] Ultra Extended Graphics Array) with 7680×4800 (36864k) resolution. Of course this is 16:10 format. TV standard always slower compared to computer display standard.

This post has been edited by low98944: Sep 25 2009, 12:09 PM

the biggest question is can when GENERAL PUBLIC afford this kind of thing?
Even today, not many can afford nor are willing to fork out the $$$ for 1080p.

Well, not to mention the lack of even 720p contents from our local content providers...even DVDs are not 720p & most of us are still watching/buying DVD!

It is juz too much hype about this kind of sh!t...somebody needs to do some reality check

its only as practical as the eyes can notice...

even 1080p for many application is barely distinguishable from 720p...
resolution is not the issue now i think...its the frame rates that could do with improving...

DVD is still acceptable. I know people who still buys VCD!!!!!!!

There's no limit to technology I suppose but there is a limit to how organic matters like your eyes perform. Realistically, can your eyes distinguish anything higher than the current 1080p?

Great update on the news though

I buy VCD sometime

The screen must be big or relatively people must sit closer to see the benefit. Even on 50" each pixel is no bigger than the tip of a pen. They have to make it big, which means more expensive and only elites with big houses can only consider.

About physical discs, it is reported that a quad-layered BD has already been produced, only not available commercially yet. It can hold 100GB of data. I think I've read somewhere that blu-ray can have even more layers than 4.

35mm analogue films can be scanned at 4k, in fact many high profile blockbuster films already been scanned at that resolution (they're then downscaled to 1080p for blu-ray discs). If 70mm film was used to shoot the film, it can even be scanned 8k, which is exactly what they've done for Baraka.

Many movies are now shot on digital HD camera at 1080p only. They will be in trouble because the master source is only 1080p, they will have to be upscaled whenever blu-ray starts to support 2160p. However, RED Cameras (their 1080p/24 RED ONE was used to shoot Knowing, Zodiac, Benjamin Button, etc) has already developed a 2160p capabled camera.

So, I think 2160p is really not too far away. The only question, can everyone afford a big house?

EDIT: to better reflect the resolution terms used by both the movie industry and consumer electronics.


This post has been edited by aiman04: Sep 26 2009, 02:53 PM

i know u can

but when it rains... you can turn it off and watch Blu Rays instead

man...tech is so fast...

I'll wait for the 4320p (or whatever) before replacing my 720p display

8640p podewin

The next one in terms of technology on disc will be the HVD.
Holographic Versatile Disc....using the technology of hologram it seems.
It can allow the capacity of about 200DVD which is almost equv. to 1TB.
There were the future holds.
Mayb in the future, there wont be something called 4880p anymore. Its so kewl that its no longer on progressive scanning technology.
They are going for simultaneous scanning technology perhaps.

in the future, no need eyes to enjoy movie liao, we just plug our brain into the internet direct d.load..just need to install brain-port v1.0

If i'm not mistaken, for a feature film to be screened at cinemas - the final output is normally scanned to 2k or 4k...I guess Toshiba has probably reached that resolution.

With resolution 2k and above, one would really need a really2 huge screen to really justify technology. Not sure if its an overkill for normal household usage. But hey, the more the merrier eh?

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Added on September 26, 2009, 2:36 amRed camera is capable to shoot in either 2k or 4k...shooting in 4k has its benefits coz we can really blow up certain shots and manipulate the camera work for better cinematography purpose. However for 4k, the post production is quite a nightmare since the files are freakin huge! A few local films have been shot on Red - even KRU's latest epic were shot with that camera - but still, whatever camera one used, if the story sucks - nothing can save it...hehe.

Normal feature films shot in HD are normally scanned just to 2k resolution only...mainly due to cost and time factor in handling digital video files of large quantities.

some of us are still in awe with the picture quality and details from BD, and to some extent i personally hate the too-digital-artificial feel of certain BD films, the soul and analog celluloid feel of film is gone to some extent if all things are too much digitised...

so I guess 2k is just too much now for us laymen...lucky i'm still content with my 720p hd65

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Added on September 26, 2009, 2:54 amhttp://gizmodo.com/379670/reds-5k-4k-and-3k-pro-cameras-what-the-resolution-really-means

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/tg-daily-...meras,5156.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

http://www.filmlook.com/news/08summer.pdf

Note: Early next year a local film about girls in skirts will be released entitled 'Hooperz'. This film was shot on RED camera, in mixture of both 2k and 4k resolution, and now it's in Dolby Digital audio mixing stage...hope it'd be a film of audio and visual feast for the masses.


This post has been edited by silbii: Sep 26 2009, 02:54 AM

aiseman is doing 2610p Malaysian Launch Party at his 10-acre estate this December

if Projector can do 2610p - should be fun ... place a 200" screen

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Added on September 26, 2009, 3:12 am lets look it this way.

When 1080p becomes mainstream, 720p become VELI cheap. now almost all jap CEs have 720p displays below RM1500.

So naturally we assume that comes 2160p, 1080p will also become VELIIIIII cheap, while 720p being phased out.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 26 2009, 03:12 AM

and as usual, 1080p display with 480p max source, upscaling doesnt count

Whatever it is, we embrace you 2160p, for those that just bought a FHD panel with your hard earned money...feels sucks huh?

I'm still using CRT, lagi suks.

Analogue or digital stays in that form until they're transferred to the other.

Movies shot on digital no scanning required, the resolution stays as they are at the time of shooting unless upscaled. Those shot on analogue use film negatives (35/70mm) must be scanned frame by frame to get the digital transfer, just like how you scanned a piece of paper to your PC but with more advanced specific equipment. And yes, storage is vital for all this digital intermediate. These intermediates will be used to produce blu-ray or digital cinemas.

Though there are digital cinemas now, common cinemas use analogue, question of digital resolution is irrelevant because no scanning is done. Digitally shot movies will be printed to analogue film reels to be show in these cinemas.

RED ONE only capable to 2k. There's a different model that supports 4k, can't remember. Local movie is using th 4k RED camera? I'm impressed, even Hollywood is not common yet.

For digitally shot movies, that film-like feel can be done during post-processing, that's up to the director. For analogue, just keep the grain intact and turn-off DNR during transfer process should do it. Specks and dirt removal is OK though.

Note: 2160p = 2160x3840

This post has been edited by aiman04: Sep 26 2009, 11:41 AM

i think 2k is wayy higher that 1080p...refer here...but maybe the article's wrong

http://gizmodo.com/379670/reds-5k-4k-and-3...on-really-means

Yes, you're right. Sorry about that.

HD resolution is one confused topics. I guess 2k is probably just a higher than 1080p. Common confusion about HD home video format vs digital cinema formats, explained here:

"And, to throw a total monkey wrench into the understanding: video formats are referred to by their VERTICAL (y-axis) resolution, whereas the 2K/3K/4K digital cinema formats are referred to by their HORIZONTAL resolution.

So, in video, you'll hear about 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080p, and 1080i. Those correspond, of course, to:
480i/480p: 720 x 480
720p: 1280x720
1080p/i: 1920 x 1080

But, in the digital cinema notations of 2K/3K/4K, it's talking about the horizontal (x-axis) res. So:

2K = 2048 wide (2 x 1024, 1024 = 1K) so it's 2048 x 1152.
3K = 3072 wide (3 x 1024) for 3072 x 1728
4K = 4096 wide (4 x 1024) for 4096 x 2304.

Using these numbers, we can see that 2K is only slightly bigger than 1080P, even though "2K" (2048) sounds like a lot more than 1080, right? It's because the 2K refers to the horizontal, whereas the 1080P refers to the vertical. But once you do the math, you find it's 2048x1152, vs. 1920x1080. So 2K is about 14% larger than 1080P.

On the other hand, people sometimes think that 4K is twice the res of 2K, when in fact it's 4x as much. 4K is twice as many horizontal pixels, and it's also twice as many vertical, so you could fit four full 2K frames inside one 4K frame."

source:
http://scarletuser.com/archive/index.php/t-78.html

hope this article makes sense


I guess those in Hollywood don't really go for the Red camera mainly because it is still new, albeit it's now more common there for the indies community since its cheap...

The major studios with big budgets should still prefer to either shoot in 35mm, then scanned for DI the kine back to 35mm (in 2k or 4k) for analog theatre distribution, or shoot in the more stable hi-end digital HD cameras like the Sony Cine-Alta or Panasonic Varicam or Genesis, then kine to 35mm for distribution, or retained in digital form for digital cinema projection.

back to topic - 2160p??? bring on the pixels baby!

Thanks for the informative posts silbii! At least we'll know how and why the TV features such technology.

One last tidbit to share:

Pixel = Picture Element

ronn, maybe you can get this for your next upgrade?



DLA-RS4000 projector
projectors supports a 4,096 x 2,400 resolution making for the ability to display 4 simulatenous full HD images. It also has 3,500 ANSI lumens, a xenon lamp, RSVP4 video processor, an Ethernet port and a 10:000:1 contrast ratio.

A 4k projector? Can it upscale the source from whatever resolution to 2160p?

What's the price?

175k (USD)

Its a case of - 'If you need to ask for the price, most likely you will not be able to afford it' .....

Cheap!!

Too bad I'm not planning to get a projector.

4-layer BD is already achievable, just waiting for BDA for approval. That's 100GB on 1 BD.

But yes, got TV, got media, got any movie studio support or not?

maybe they just support the computer or other archive industry lor.. just like mini BDs and other non standard stuffs like BD5 an BD9

Hitachi got make 400GB BD prototype edi.

They say normal BDP can play some more

Yup, existing players can play the BD, no matter how many layers.

izzit?

BDP can play it.

Buy wallet?

I know aiman can afford

Transition between layers noticeable?

Also, is the current BD50 considered 'dual-layered'? Coz I have never noticed any 'transition' lags, like seamless only. Unlike some dual layered DVDs, some quite apparent - a few seconds even!

BD50 is dual layered.

If you look under the disc, on the readable side, there is bar code-ish thing and two rings saying L0 and L1.

The dual layered DVD is ori or unker Ho one?

Never seen transition lag on ori before

last year NHK already demo a 8k display

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/20/nhk-dem...ail-than-1080p/

and there is 8k projector you can buy now,

http://www.es.com/products/displays/ESLase...P_Datasheet.pdf


every frame is 33megapixel so you can forget about downloading the uncompress source with streamyx.

even blu-ray mastering process only scan the film to 8k and downconvert to blu-ray.