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post Jan 24 2015, 12:42 PM

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Guys, I've been using the normal Obermain/Hush Puppies for my work shoes on a daily basis ever since I started working a few years ago. What I noticed is that they never last more than 2 years. After 2 years the bottom sole would wear out there will be a hole punched right through to your feet. Maybe this is because of my condition of the gravel road in Malaysia, maybe it's just the quality of the shoes, but what I'm wondering is, would better brands like Loake or Barker's fare better?

I know the GYW shoes are supposed to last longer because they can be resoled. But if resoling is not possible in Malaysia, what benefits do those shoes have over brands like HP, in terms of wear and tear? Of course the more expensive brands looks nicer, but I'm talking about durability here.

Say the HP shoes only last two years before the sole goes kaput. Will Loake or the other GYW shoes fare longer?
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post Jan 24 2015, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 24 2015, 01:02 PM)
Made the jump a year plus ago. Still going strong when my HP would have started showing signs of falling apart. But then I also started using shoe trees, shoe horns, and not using the same shoes 2 days in a row.
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QUOTE(Glockers @ Jan 24 2015, 01:30 PM)
Rotate your shoes. Not wearing them every single day. You can wear shoes everyday like Red Wing or any boots like Doc Martens but if you wear normal working shoes any brand would not last long for everyday use.

Loake or any other premium brand like Churchs, C&J, Barker etc have premium leather for high durability but if you abuse them daily they will wear off very fast too.

Yes you can resole them, good cobler will certainly be able to resole them.
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Thanks guys.

Can we really resole GYW shoes here? Can really trust cobblers off the street?
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post Jan 25 2015, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 25 2015, 02:35 AM)
Their soles will not last any longer than rubber soles
Loake etc are leather soles, wear out fast too. Rain isn't helping.
Best go cobber put rubber vibram on it and plastic heal tab. Change out tab as they get worn off is best. U can get 100 plastic tab for cheap.

Some Allen Edmonds are GYW with rubber soles just add the plastic tab yourself.
They having sale now, can get 2 pairs to rotate for like usd$300 or under
http://www.shoebank.com
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When you say plastic tab, do you mean toe taps?

Generally which is better - toe taps, topy, or vibrant soles? As I understand topies are quite thin right? And vibrant soles can be quite thick?
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post Jan 25 2015, 07:58 PM

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I got a pair of Loake 1880s from P.lal as my work shoes. Also got some Woly leather cream and brush there. Is that sufficient for my cleaning and polishing? Also I may plan to get a topy for it after wearing for a few weeks. Which cobbler do you guys recommend for this? And roughly how much?

My current Obermain soles have holes, and since I should alternate my shoes I'm thinking of getting this done at a cobbler too. I know, one pair is proper while another a mainstream consumer pair, but I gotta live with it for a while until I buy another proper pair I guess.


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post Jan 31 2015, 01:37 PM

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My Loake 1880s are burnished calf leather. Is that full grain or corrected grain?
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post Feb 2 2015, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jan 31 2015, 02:42 PM)
Burnished could be done on either full or corrected grain leather..

I think sending an email to Loake would give you the accurate answer biggrin.gif

Pics! biggrin.gif
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Ah OK. Will send them an email then.

Its my first pair of proper GYW shoes, and my current pair of work shoes were already wearing out, and this looked pretty nice and could fit into the office environment so I got it. Sorry for linking to some Chinese site but it had the most picturepictures. Anyway I think the outsole isn't leather for this model? It feels hard, looks like wood. Unheard of?

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=598&t=3399379

I'll be going to the UK this may. Maybe I'll pick up aanother pair there. Should I just go to Northampton and look for factory outlets there? Loake, barker, c&j are all there right?
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post Feb 2 2015, 09:08 PM

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How can you tell so easily? Full grain has micro defects or pores on it? That's what I read...
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post Feb 3 2015, 09:47 AM

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I can't remember, are the outsoles for all dress shoes that hard? It feels like wood! Rolled and compacted leather huh...

My girlfriend studied in Northampton, so I'm gonna use that as an excuse to go there. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 4 2015, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Feb 3 2015, 10:04 AM)
"The sole bend has to be the hardest, most long lasting part of the shoe, so it is rolled very dense to compress the fibres. It is rock hard and feels like wood when you tap it. Unlike wood, it is flexible when you bend it."

http://carreducker.blogspot.com/2012/04/le...sole-bends.html

Yes it is hard. Welcome to the world of "Shoes for (real) men".  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(deriku @ Feb 3 2015, 10:33 PM)
That is called stacked leather. Can't imagine if they were made of wood, they'd probably crack during wear.

I can't say for sure but you can see the pores on the leather indicating full grain. Corrected grain is easy to spot as it gives off a glossy shine.
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Thanks guys. I doubted it was wood but it felt like wood to the touch. When I first wore it it was quite uncomfortable too, but today is my second day in it and I must say it's already feeling more comfortable. And it feels like a solid pair with real heft, unlike my old Obermains. Speaking of which, I'll probably get my Obermains repaired so that I can alternate the pair to the office. I've gone through this thread, is the cobbler at Ikano still regarded to be the best? My sole has a hole through it, so I'm gonna get that mended.

One thing though, one cant really say these GYW shoes are sleek or slender, given the relatively larger sole. It has its own charms I'd say, but if I were to look for a sleeker pair, would Blake-stitched shoes be better? Can it be resoled in Malaysia?

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post Feb 5 2015, 01:44 PM

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I dunno, it felt slippery the first time I wore it but it quickly became non-slippery. Its not exactly grippy but it isn't bad either. I think its most slippery on carpets actually. Never tried it on wet surfaces yet.
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post Feb 5 2015, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(deriku @ Feb 4 2015, 11:21 PM)
Most GYW shoes need breaking in so be prepared to have sore feet for the first few wears. They can be pretty sleek too, I don't see why Blake stitched can be better. It all depends on the last. The more narrow/elongated last the sleeker.
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From what I've seen GYW shoes aren't considered the sleekest because of the sole - the stitch it outside the upper which means there is a "ledge" on the sole. On a Blake stitch, the stitch is on the inside of the shoe right? So that allows a sleeker sole. I'm still new to this so this is as far as I know. The shoe quoted below - are they Blake or cemented? Either way it looks sleeker than a GYW isn't it?
QUOTE(sebastianX11 @ Aug 10 2014, 10:33 PM)
Hei guys, just got a pair of barker. Wanted a loake but the design I wanted all either discontinued or don't have size at p.lal
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Anyway, wanted to ask you guys, this pair have the smooth leather sole without any rubber to it
Was told that I should only put rubber when the shoes break in and soften a bit then only put rubber. The rubber if put now will damage the sole because of the adhesion...is this true?

And if yes.... Where to do I go then after the shoes break in?
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post Feb 7 2015, 09:16 PM

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I took my worn out Obermains to the repair shop in Ikano today. Holes in the sole and heel. The boss there said its RM 70 to stick a rubber sole and another RM 60 for the heel. That's the cheapest according to him. But that's too expensive for me considering the shoes are more than two years old and I bought them for only RM 200.

Any other options guys? Any cobbler in mid valley?
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post Feb 8 2015, 05:49 PM

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Yeah I would like to know the quality of Massimo Dutti shoes too. Saw a pair of sneakers that I liked.
http://www.massimodutti.com/m/my/en/men/sh...29p5201540.html

What does it mean when it says "Two-tone stitched and glued rubber sole with a brand-logo pattern and natural welt."?
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post Feb 11 2015, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Glockers @ Feb 11 2015, 03:42 PM)
I would rate Rockport, Hush Puppies, Obermain, Zara, Mango, Apple Banana Watermelon etc in one category. ..lousy overpriced mix leather type of shoe.
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How about Massimo Ditto? Had been eyeing one of thief suede sneakers.

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post Feb 11 2015, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Glockers @ Feb 11 2015, 04:21 PM)
No idea. Never have them before so can't comment. How much is the price for that?
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Not cheap either. About RM 500+. You can see the range they have here below.

http://www.massimodutti.com/m/my/en/men/sh...l-c1313029.html

Their dress shoes have glued on soles as expected. But I'm looking at casual sneakers.
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post Feb 12 2015, 12:26 PM

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Where do I get starwax from? I read from this thread that its cheap and really good. I went to Aeon mid valley the other day and they didn't have it.
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post Feb 14 2015, 12:41 PM

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When I got my Loakes (black calfskin) at Plal I also got the Woly Fashion Leather Cream as suggested by the staff there. My question is, what's the difference between this and a wax in a tin? Do I use both or just the leather cream will suffice when polishing?

This is the one I bought.
http://www.massimodutti.com/m/my/en/men/sh...l-c1313029.html
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post Feb 17 2015, 02:33 PM

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What does SF say about Loake?
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post Feb 19 2015, 09:08 PM

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Guys, so far I haven't been using a shoe horn but I guess I should start. A cheap shoe horn will do right? I mean, there isn't any difference in getting a cheap one and an expensive one?

I think IKEA has one. For like RM 2 I if I'm not mistaken. Will probably get that unless there is somewhere else that has them?
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post Feb 20 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Feb 19 2015, 09:59 PM)
IINM Ikea shoe horn is quite long. Nice to use standing up. Bata shoe horn is short (15cm?) and can easily keep in the car, office desk, etc. About RM5 I think.
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Thanks. I'll get one from bata then.

Anyway, what went wrong here? The right shoe looks a little unbalanced as you can see from the soles not being on the same level. Not sure if it was like this out of the box, didn't really notice it.




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