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post Sep 24 2009, 03:19 PM, updated 17y ago

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QUOTE(batuapi @ Sep 24 2009, 03:05 PM)
This is it guys, this is mainstream real news. NASA has been lying to humanity for decades.

India used NASA's own equipment and found water on the MOON.

This confirmed suspicions on many 'conspiracy theorists' that the MOON harbored life, alien life especially and NASA lied to earthlings what they found on the moon.
And NASA wanted to bomb the moon!

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/rele...9/09-118AR.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ai...ce/4317333.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/scie...icle6846639.ece

India’s lunar mission finds evidence of water on the Moon
Dreams of establishing a manned Moon base could become reality within two decades after India’s first lunar mission found evidence of large quantities of water on its surface.

Data from Chandrayaan-1 also suggests that water is still being formed on the Moon. Scientists said the breakthrough — to be announced by Nasa at a press conference today — would change the face of lunar exploration.

The discovery is a significant boost for India in its space race against China. Dr Mylswamy Annadurai, the mission’s project director at the Indian Space Research Organisation in Bangalore, said: “It’s very satisfying.”

The search for water was one of the mission’s main objectives, but it was a surprise nonetheless, scientists said.The unmanned craft was equipped with Nasa’s Moon Mineralogy Mapper, designed specifically to search for water by picking up the electromagnetic radiation emitted by minerals. The M3 also made the unexpected discovery that water may still be forming on the surface of the Moon, according to scientists familiar with the mission.
“It’s very satisfying,” said Dr Mylswamy Annadurai, the project director of Chandrayaan-1 at the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) in Bangalore. “This was one of the main objectives of Chandrayaan-1, to find evidence of water on the Moon,” he told The Times.

Dr Annadurai would not provide any further details before a news conference at Nasa today from Dr Carle Pieters, a planetary geologist of Brown University who oversaw the M3.

Dr Pieters has not spoken about her results so far and was not available for comment last night, according to colleagues at Brown University. But her results are expected to cause a sensation, and to set the agenda for lunar exploration in the next decade.

They will also provide a significant boost for India as it tries to catch up with China in what many see as a 21st-century space race. “This will create a considerable stir. It was wholly unexpected,” said one scientist also involved in Chandrayaan-1. “People thought that Chandrayaan was just lagging behind the rest but the science that’s coming out, it’s going to be agenda-setting.”

Scientists have long hoped that astronauts could be based on the Moon and use water found there to drink, extract oxygen to breathe and use hydrogen as fuel.

Several studies havesuggested that there could be ice in the craters around the Moon’s poles, but scientists have been unable to confirm the suspicions.

The M3, an imaging spectrometer, was designed to search for water by detecting the electromagnetic radiation given off by different minerals on and just below the surface of the Moon. Unlike previous lunar spectrometers, it was sensitive enough to detect the presence of small amounts of water.

M3 was one of two Nasa instruments among 11 pieces of equipment from around the world on Chandrayaan-1, which was launched into orbit around the Moon in October last year. ISRO lost control of Chandrayaan-1 last month, and aborted the mission ahead of schedule, but not before M3 and the other instruments had beamed data back to Earth.

Another lunar scientist familiar with the findings said: “This is the most exciting breakthrough in at least a decade. And it will probably change the face of lunar exploration for the next decade.”

Scientists are eagerly awaiting the results of two American unmanned lunar missions, which were both launched in June, that could also prove the existence of water on the Moon.

Early results from Nasa’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) recorded temperatures as low as -238C (minus 396.4F) in polar craters on the Moon, according to the journal Nature. That makes them the coldest recorded spots in the solar system, even colder than the surface of Pluto, and could mean that ice has been trapped for billions of years, the journal said. The LRO has also detected an abundance of hydrogen, thought to be a key indicator of ice, at the poles.

The other Nasa mission, the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS), is due to crash a probe into a polar crater on October 9 in the hope of sending up a plume of ice that can be examined by telescope.

“We are on the verge of a renaissance in our thinking about the poles of the Moon, including how water ice gets there,” Anthony Colaprete, principal investigator for LCROSS, said in Nature.

Big bang

• The Moon is 4.6 billion years old, about the same age as the Earth

• It is thought to have formed from a giant dust cloud caused when a rogue planet collided with the Earth

• It is 238,000 miles from the Earth

• Gravity on the Moon is a sixth of that on Earth
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if this is true , wonder is there any possibility that theres lifeform in there???

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post Sep 24 2009, 03:21 PM

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post Sep 24 2009, 03:23 PM

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they been deceive us alot.
now wana bomb the moon for water

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ai...ce/4317333.html

thing goes wrong, 2012 is very near
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post Sep 24 2009, 03:27 PM

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related to somebody ask about on mythbusters..i think they also "collaborating" with NASA... Never Answer Straight Answer..
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post Sep 24 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(oyama @ Sep 24 2009, 03:27 PM)
related to somebody ask about on mythbusters..i think they also "collaborating" with NASA... Never Answer Straight Answer..
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Yea, that was me who mentioned that. Yup, I really think NASA collaborated with the Discovery Team to brush off suspicion from people.
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post Sep 24 2009, 04:52 PM

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post Sep 24 2009, 07:09 PM

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post Sep 24 2009, 07:11 PM

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all nasa says is a piece of crap
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post Sep 24 2009, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(batuapi @ Sep 24 2009, 04:44 PM)
Haha, what makes you think sentient life must breath oxygen or whatever?
It is very arrogant of humans to assume life must be carbon based and must satisfy OUR atmospheric and scientific conditions to exist.
Do you know how arrogant that assumption is ?
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post Sep 25 2009, 06:18 AM

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jebuuzzzz ...

why do people quote tabloids instead of actual scientific journals ?

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Sunshine says that the focus on polar traps, such as that sought by LCROSS, tended to dominate the search for water on the lunar surface. "Everybody tends to think about this in terms of polar ice caps and skating rinks and lakes, and we're talking about molecules," she says. "It's a real shift in the way people think about water on the moon." 


Source : Scientific American

NASA did not lie. Instruments at the time were just not able to pick these atoms up. Also, the structure found is OH, not H20
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post Sep 25 2009, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(batuapi @ Sep 25 2009, 03:39 PM)
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Wow, I love how you just quoted a block of text from some crackpot conspiracy theorist's site (whole sections devoted to UFO sightings? 9/11 conspiracies? Really?). The first thing you can do for yourself is to read up on the "water on moon" news on reputable sites, maybe something like badastronomy.com. Here's an article that succinctly explains the nature of water on the moon:

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/09/23/ye...er-on-the-moon/

Secondly I'm very disappointed in the amount of anti-NASA sentiments in this threads. Look up the moon landing, guys. No, not from conspiracy theorists' web sites. Take off the tinfoil hats and read an article or two on the science behind them. There are plenty of "moon landing hoax" debunking articles out there. Not all governmental bodies are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

And NASA collaborating with Discovery? Really? That's what you really think? So when you're confronted with evidence that maybe, just maybe, the moon landings were real, you brush it off with ANOTHER conspiracy theory? That's just incredible.
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post Sep 25 2009, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(batuapi @ Sep 25 2009, 09:42 PM)
So instead of debating the points, you went on a bashing parade to discredit the messenger/sites and not the contents?

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It doesn't help that you're quoting a site that intentionally resorts to sarcasm and name-calling (NASA: Never Always Science Administration. Oh haha, that's very clever) to belittle this amazing discovery. And all for what? I'm guessing negative bias towards the administration. If you want people to have an intelligent debate or discussion about the points raised by the article, and by extension, by you, it would make sense to keep the immaturity on the down-low.

Secondly, do you really expect me to come up with a detailed point-by-point debunking of your post, seeing that all you did was copy-paste an entire article that someone else wrote? If you read my post, I did the same by linking to another article hoping that you'll realize that the water that was discovered on the moon is not water or ice in the conventional sense, but traces of water and hydroxyl molecules.

Now I'm not a scientist by any means, however I do have the tools to do proper research from credible sources explaining how and why there's water. Here are some more links, and for your convenience, some quotes that you might be interested in:

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One theory holds that the water and hydroxyl are, in part, formed from hydrogen ions in the solar wind. By local noon, when the moon is at its warmest, some water and hydroxyl are lost. By evening, when it is colder, the surface returns to a state equal to that seen in the morning.


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"Finding water on the Moon in daylight is a huge surprise, even if it is only a small amount of water and only in the form of molecules stuck to soil,"


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"In the Deep Impact data we're essentially watching water molecules form and then dissipate right in front of our eyes,"


http://www.physorg.com/news172947610.html

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The moon remains drier than any desert on Earth, but the water is said to exist on the moon in very small quantities. One ton of the top layer of the lunar surface would hold about 32 ounces of water, researchers said.


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0909...-discovery.html

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Data indicate that water exists diffusely across the moon as hydroxyl or water molecules — or both — adhering to the surface in low concentrations.


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This does not constitute ice sheets or frozen lakes: the amounts of water in a given location on the Moon aren't much more than what is found in a desert here on Earth.


http://www.universetoday.com/2009/09/23/ye...er-on-the-moon/

Quite frankly I'm rather pissed at myself for spending so much time doing this, when you could've done the same instead of spreading blatant misinformation. If you need anything else, hit Google.

This post has been edited by pixelsheep: Sep 25 2009, 11:00 PM
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nasa is a big jokes from the beginning...if india didnt say they found waters on moon then nasa will oso keep quiet..
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Sep 29 2009, 12:12 PM)
nasa is a big jokes from the beginning...if india didnt say they found waters on moon then nasa will oso keep quiet..
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http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_tr...transcripts.htm

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1177683


Check the links out. Might be something interesting.
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QUOTE(pixelsheep @ Sep 25 2009, 10:38 PM)
It doesn't help that you're quoting a site that intentionally resorts to sarcasm and name-calling (NASA: Never Always Science Administration. Oh haha, that's very clever) to belittle this amazing discovery. And all for what? I'm guessing negative bias towards the administration. If you want people to have an intelligent debate or discussion about the points raised by the article, and by extension, by you, it would make sense to keep the immaturity on the down-low.

Secondly, do you really expect me to come up with a detailed point-by-point debunking of your post, seeing that all you did was copy-paste an entire article that someone else wrote? If you read my post, I did the same by linking to another article hoping that you'll realize that the water that was discovered on the moon is not water or ice in the conventional sense, but traces of water and hydroxyl molecules.

Now I'm not a scientist by any means, however I do have the tools to do proper research from credible sources explaining how and why there's water. Here are some more links, and for your convenience, some quotes that you might be interested in:
http://www.physorg.com/news172947610.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0909...-discovery.html
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/09/23/ye...er-on-the-moon/

Quite frankly I'm rather pissed at myself for spending so much time doing this, when you could've done the same instead of spreading blatant misinformation. If you need anything else, hit Google.
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Ek, in fact i'm in support of your post, this in particular.

Conspiracy theorists are such pains in the butt ><
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post Sep 30 2009, 06:13 PM

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but what if there is water on moon? how are they going to generate AIR for human to leave or sustain any life from earth? or is there any alien life form on moon?

 

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