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post Mar 30 2010, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 30 2010, 08:38 PM)
Homaigawd.

I applied for this position at Alliance Bank and got a call from their HR at 8pm (They really work till THIS LATE?) asking me a few questions before they offer me a chance for an interview.

I am shocked to find out that they only offer RM 2300 per month for this position for a fresh grad (or not-so-fresh grad with <1 year working experience). I thought this is seriously low. I said no thank you =/

Is this really the market price for banking jobs for fresh grad? I really think 2.3k for a first class honours degree holder is way too low. Am I wrong? I am now hired at a way higher salary at an electronics company.
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Well if you have the option or luxury to say no, go ahead. But if you don't, any income is still good income.
Anyway Alliance Bank is known as one of the stingiest bank in Malaysia when it comes to fresh graduate. They even paid their management trainee RM 2,200 a month! That is by far the lowest salary for a MT.

Here is a funny story, I remember once alliance bank did their recruitment drive in my uni. They got one of my senior to be their spoke person. The min she told everyone it the salary was only RM 2,200, you could hear a lot of people complain. Hoping to retain the audience interest, she went on to say how great the experience and exposure were. A FEW MONTHS LATER, I saw her working in HSBC. Final score : HSBC 1 Alliance Bank 0. (I heard hsbc offers its MT RM4,200)
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post Mar 31 2010, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 31 2010, 04:13 PM)
I don't know. First class honours (close to 4-flat), and a scholar (had received JPA, ASEAN too but settled for the one I had) and hired at more than 3k now, I will not settle for anything less than 2.5k.
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If you think you deserve more and equally qualify, please go to McKinesy, they are paying a fresh graduate RM7,000 to RM 10,000 (paid in USD). Or try investment bank in HK, I heard they paid RM4,500 (HKD 9,000) per WEEK. Or the every least try Singapore, at least its double (due to exchange rate)

If you still want locally, try Accenture, CIMB's MT or HSBC's MT they pay RM3,000 to RM 4,500 for fresh graduate. But the competition is tough. Please let me know where you decide to go and share with us how much they pay you in the end.
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post Apr 2 2010, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Apr 1 2010, 01:49 PM)
Nope.
Which university you graduated from does matters for some companies.
Not only that, if you graduated from oversea, the possibilty to get the interview is higher than those graduated from local universities.
You know why? Because they know education in Malaysia is sucks.
I know this because I was one of the HR application developer in one of the largest local bank in Malaysia.
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I some what agree with izdyharz. I know a firm "discriminate" UTAR/TAR college, the reasoning was... (let just say not something good). Unless you pull some strings. However I pretty sure you will get an interview if you graduate from Oxford with a lousy grade. But we are not here to discuss whether that is ethical.

On top of that some times relevant field does play a role. You understand the industry better. Finance will always have upper when applying to bank than engineers, management > accounting for management consulting. And you do see a marketing student joining shell as O&G engineer haha.
BUT if you are determine, nothing stopping from working extra hard to ace the interviewer even when you dont come from that background.

Salary update for fresh graduate :

BAT's MT : RM 3,000 - RM3,500
CIMB's MT : RM 3,000 - RM 3,500
HSBC's MT : RM2,500 (for 6 month probation)
Big 4 : RM2,400 to RM2,600
ECMLibra's MT : RM3,000 to RM 3,500
Accenture Consulting : RM3,500
Public Bank fresh grad with degree : RM2,800
UOB : RM2,400 to RM 2,700
Alliance Bank: RM 2,200 (could be outdated)
OSK : RM2,600 to RM2,800
Citibank : RM2,300+

note: unless started otherwise, these salary are normally given to fresh grad with degree.

Some of it could be wrong/outdated. But a rough estimate and based on peers feedback. On top of that you wont knpw the perks,bonus or working environment. Eg, accenture provide really good perks for travelling project; Most Big 4 work like hell during peak except areas like advisory; MT programme normally has bond except for HSBC and etc etc.
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post Apr 2 2010, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(starz92 @ Apr 2 2010, 11:11 AM)
If with only ACCA qualification can one apply for those job stated above?
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Not too sure, ACCA might get you in for Big 4 and audit firm. Not too sure about the rest, but no harm trying right?

Not too sure about the bank hiring process but if you intend to apply for bank's mt programme you might face really stiff competition as you are competing against degree holder AND Master holder. So I would suggest take the extra effort to prepare
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post Apr 19 2010, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(jonathan_wong @ Apr 19 2010, 11:21 PM)
Thanks for the support, unlike some insecure members here who flame me just because they aren't earning as much as I am. If I can do it, so can you! If ur interested to earn that much, hop over to http://www.babypips.com and get started on ur trading career. It's a very rewarding career I tell you. A word of warning though, you must be very commited and hardworking because it's not easy to become a successful trader. But it will pay off in ur lifetime.
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Congratulation, hardly do you hear people earning that much. I am guessing since you earn that much you must contribute quite a lot back to society like Bill Gates or Buffet unlike the rest of those rich greedy hoarder. I hope one day you get the recognition for your kind contribution! Keep up the good work!
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post May 15 2010, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ May 15 2010, 10:53 AM)
How about:-

- MNC
- Chinaman company (like Tan Ah Beng S/B)
- GLC or government agencies
- Listed companies

Which one higher pay?
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From the local banking industry. If you factor peaks and benefit (not including bonus),

I would say MNC like HSBC, SCB and CITI rank highly. Follow by CIMB then Public Bank (good pay IF you perform). China bank like HL and OCBC rank quite low. Lowest is Asian Finance Bank and Bank Islam
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post Jun 19 2010, 07:36 PM

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Probably 8k to 10k.

A team head of 7 people, all junior to mid management people
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post Jun 19 2010, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jun 19 2010, 08:04 PM)
Thanks. I'm being offered to be a team lead for a newly formed team of 2-3 contract staffs.
How much should I ask for this position? I'm new to team management and my salary is less than RM3k.
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Sorry I can't really say. But if I would to guess, I would say 4k to 5k. Depends on your firm.
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post Jul 14 2010, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(anangryorc @ Jul 12 2010, 02:06 PM)
As for now, from what I've seens, HR people are the redundancies of an organization in Malaysia, gossip+doing nothing.
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Well to be fair, there are some good ones and some bad ones. In fact I came across a number of great individuals from HR. Sadly because they are so good, they get recruited by others.
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post Jul 18 2010, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Jul 18 2010, 02:40 AM)
I dont know whether this thread is right or wrong..

So far, I see many fresh grats earning RM3.5K to RM4K, some even with only a 2nd upper class degree whereby many fresh grats with 1st class honours degree cant even negotiate a RM3K salary.

Secondly, I also see many 25 to 27 yrs old with only 3 years of post-graduate experience earning between RM7K to RM10K where many ppl with good professional experience of 5 yrs cant even achieve the RM5K salary mark target.

I am not being jealous here but just curious whether those figures reported by forummers here is indeed correct or incorrect???
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I was a fresh graduate 3 years ago. My first job's starting pay after confirmation was 4k and I admit my result isn't 1st class. However my extra curriculum is pretty decent. If you are planning to compare result alone, I think we need to go to the core. Like are you comparing a local public uni first class vs a foreign university campus (like Monash or Curtin). Or even a average university to a top tier university (like Princeton or Imperial).

Article like ""Government launches new scheme for unemployed graduates prove the points that graduate are having issue getting jobs.
Personally I find it quite odd that the government needs to spend millions on programmes like Graduate Employability Programme but not addressing the root of the problem. If we are providing additional training graduates in soft skills, this clearly shows that the university itself isn't doing enough.

After 3 years of working, I have yet to hit the the RM7k to RM10k. I'm in above the RM5k mark.
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post Aug 29 2010, 02:01 AM

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Its really hard to make decision. But my rule of thumb is which area gives me the best opportunity to develop myself. For now, is the leadership that is my boss. I know I'm very lucky to be under a wonderful and well respected boss. So when I work my best and I know my boss will watch out for me and help me develop.

So you might want to set which are your priorities. In the end might give you a ranking system to compare it objectively.

For example yours might be salary/perks as the top priorty, follow by environment/corporate culture.
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post Sep 1 2010, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(ryei @ Aug 30 2010, 11:38 AM)
Age: 25
Years spent in company : 1 year 10 month
Company: Foreign Bank
Location : KL
Industry : Operation & Finance
Tenure : Permanent in company
Experience before joining : This is my first job
Current basic : RM2.95k (company provide 16% EPF)
Education level : Degree

so underpay.... T_____T
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I might say that is underpaid, but what was your starting?
Perhaps you might want to switch bank.
As I know some one in finance she earning 3k+ but not far from you. As for operation, he is close to 5k
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post Sep 6 2010, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(blessed @ Sep 3 2010, 06:51 PM)
i get wad u're saying...my dream is to one day go oversea to stay & work thr for at least a few yrs..i guess a good record of working in an MNC for my resume will definitely help me wif this..anyway, i've resigned, gonna start all over again...
it's good how u look up to ur boss.i had the same feeling wif my current boss too(or ex-boss coz i've ad resign)..

but things turned ugly when i told my boss abt my new job offer..he kinda let his emotions take over of him..
he did not scold me..but man, those words were definitely hard to swallow..he was arrogant and said tat it's not his lost but mine..say dun regret when i see him on the cover of the mag next time..how i'll join the rat race & bcum a just a normal employee by joining my new company..bla bla..

maybe what he said was right..i'll be in the rat race..i also understand why he's acting tat way, he must be pissed off coz he had made up so many plans for me...he wont's even look at me after that..
but still...i was really sad...he is definitely not the gentleman & humble boss that i've thought he was..when he once even ask me to take him as my 2nd father...i guess i was too stupid & naive to trust someone so easily..

well..at least he made it easy for me to leave the company..i left with no heavy heart, and i think i definitely won't regret..

anyway, it's time i moved on...gonna work hard to proved to myself that i can do it! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha sounds like a colourful person.
Maybe he just sad that you're leaving him and he is trying to act tough to hide his feeling. As the saying goes "Its nothing personal, its just business."

All the best with your future endeavours!
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post Sep 7 2010, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(wu_shi_han @ Sep 7 2010, 06:08 PM)
I heard thousands of fresh grad claimed how much he wanted that job, and how that job is his dream job. This include my self. However, after few years later, when you look back you will laugh. Coz there is no dream job in this world, there is only achievement that matters.

When you grow up, u will know your job at this so called MNC with 3.6k rm is not a dream job, it is a dream job coz u haven't been there yet.

If you ask me what is my dream job, well, it is definately not measured by 3.6k or MNC or 8 to 5pm kinda job...
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I got the job I wanted. Sure it may not be my dream job, but lets be realistic here my dream job would not come to be automatically without experience. I may say other wise few years down to road. But I doubt I would ever regret this job. The culture is good, the opportunity is good and the pay is awesome. For now.
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post Sep 7 2010, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(blackangel @ Sep 7 2010, 08:28 PM)
Age : 23
Job Title : Equipment Engineer
Years spent in company : 0
Company : MNC
Industry : Semiconductor
Location : Penang
Tenure : Permanent
Experience before joining : Fresh grad
Education Level : Degree
Salary : RM 2.6k
Benefits: RM 250 Gas Allowance per month
Working hours : Mon-Fri (8am-5pm)

Upon commencing job, will be sent to overseas for training.

What do you guys think?
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looks like a pretty good start
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post Sep 12 2010, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(kding2 @ Sep 12 2010, 01:04 AM)
Is earning in Rm3k in KL very common? or it is just rare case? Especially for those who had been working more than 1 to 2 years?

and as for those who earning less than Rm2k below, can they survive?
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I believe its quite common to be earning RM3k and above in KL expecially for those who have more than a 1 to 2 years experience. Most of my peers started working 2 years ago. Most of them are earning more than RM 3k , the rest are earning some where between RM2.6 to RM3k.
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post Sep 13 2010, 12:23 AM

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Its no surprise for a hard working foreigner earning RM3k. There are a lot of demand for unskilled labour in Malaysia. They come in as a labourer, if they are hard working they normally get promoted quite fast and earn quite a bit.
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post Sep 13 2010, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(daccorn @ Sep 13 2010, 05:33 AM)


Unskilled ? ah beng? Please do not disrespect these people otherwise do it yourself. Those people are commonly known as tradies in Australia and they are extremely skilled at what they do and rightly remunerated so. They are paid so highly because tertiary education rarely present students with the chance to learn these skills at the level they can perform it at. I could only wish I'm as hardworking as them haha. Sorry for taking a standard moral high ground guys, I feel I need to fix these things when I see them ><

Tertiary Education isn't a means to the end because many graduates stumble upon graduation but if one pays enough attention, it does provide you with a lot of lessons to build your character and personality.
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I think I may caused a misunderstanding, sorry for that. What I was trying to say was :
In certain areas, they are a big shortage of workers. Especially unskilled workers (like working in a palm oil estate). Many employers are unable find locals to fill these positions as such they turn to places like Indonesia or Bangladesh. Hence I not surprise if some of them are earning RM3k or more. They worked really hard to get to that level and they TRULY DESERVE it.

Hope I clear the air a bit.
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post Nov 26 2010, 01:40 AM

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I think in a few years you might see a large gap in income. MNC paying more than 3k for fresh where as local firms will continue to pay less than 2.5k or a lot more lower. Reason being the fresh grad with potential are hired by the MNC. While our local ed system continue to supply an overbundle of unqualified fresh graduate. As a result they dilute the income level as they form the majority while the minority that are talented are hoping over to other countries.

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