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post Jul 7 2010, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(yvanser @ Jun 30 2010, 10:42 AM)
I think it's reasonable that an overseas graduate demand more, even RM2500 is a bit less, they should be paid around the range of RM3000-RM4000 depends on location. Please bear in mind that those who graduated from overseas have certain qualities that local graduates don't have, you can't hire someone ONLY based on their results. For example an overseas graduate need to stay far from his family, be independent, interact with people with totally different background, settle most of the stuff by himself (find a place to stay, pay electrical bills, cook by himself... etc), and some of them even work as cleaners in restaurants during summer holiday. These experience might not be significant, but certainly will develope the capabilities of someone in terms of handling problems and difficulties... Of course my statements are exclude those who are super rich and their parents flew to see them 5 times a year and settle everything for them.

And a typical chinaman company problem: Always press down someone's salary. I told my boss last time that money maybe is not everything, but it CERTAINLY will motivate the employees, the more you pay, the more the employees feel appreciated (tell me if I'm wrong!), don't expect to pay a price of a kancil and hope to drive it like a ferrari... you pay the price of a kancil, you will get a kancil (even if you boost the engine you will need to add more money). Always keep that in mind.

If you are the boss and you have a budget for your employees' salary, my advise to you is to hire less people and increase their salary, rather than hire a bunch of people and everyone getting very little pay.
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hehe. overseas student mostly sponsored by gov or companies. which meant they pay absolutely almost nothing. some of these gov sponsored students are able to buy 6k gaming rig. i admit that not all of them are rich. but they're sponsored.

about urs statement that they need to (find a place to stay, pay electrical bills, cook by himself... etc, work as cleaners in restaurants during summer holiday). this is normal not only for overseas students. but also for some local students. local students have to works to pay all this while overseas stdents only work for extra cash. overseas also doesn't mean that they can work. i've work in multinational societies. and believe me. the institution only plays 30% role in building character. other 70% depends on urself. i've seen 2 of my engineer come from same institution. one work very well. the other is lame.

about typical company. well. lets say u're the boss. will u take sum stranger that got certs but u don't know if they can do the job or not to work for u and u pay them high salary? of course not right. people will see the performance 1st. after seen that they're appreciated only then.

it's not that i just wanna blast ur reply. juz that u're totally look down on our local grads.

This post has been edited by destroyer: Jul 7 2010, 11:45 AM
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:10 AM

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Company: XXXXXX company
Industry: Shipping
Years in company : since grad from diploma
Age: 22 goin 23
Location : Overseas
Tenure : Permanent + bonded contract
Employment level : 4th Marine Engineer Officer
Experience before joining : 12-month cadetship(salary around usd200)
Salary: USD2600(basic + allowances) + free tax + accommodation provided + free food + leave pay around usd 1000 during off + sponsorship to take further studies

cons: long contract(6month on, 3 months off), far from home, no ot, normal working hours 8-5. sometime can exceed due to machineries prob

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post Aug 17 2010, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(mazer6446 @ Aug 17 2010, 03:20 PM)
Job title: Electrical Engineer (maintenance)
Company/Industry: Utilities Company (Independent power plant)
Location: Johor
Tenure: Permanent
Employment level: Executive
Experience: 1yr 2 months
Salary: RM3.4k
Degree: Graduated in Electrical and Electronics Engineering
Extra benefit: 5-6 months bonus each year according to perfomance, every 2 year got overseas trip, increment rate 10-12%

any other malaysian companies can offer better than this?
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why don't you join shipping company. with ur experience in power plant, you can earn starting of usd2400 per month tax free. it's m'sian company. all the time overseas trip.
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post Aug 18 2010, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(ldhong @ Aug 18 2010, 09:12 AM)
Shipping company? So, most of the time will be on the ship or cruise?
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depends on you. if you're on cruise pay will be a little bit higher and more fun place onboard. but also more job.

like me, im onboard oil tanker. but i'm not electrical engineer. i'm marine engineer. but electrical engineer do have a gud lyf from what i've seen.

QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 18 2010, 09:14 AM)
What is the difference ship or cruise? As I know it Destroyer is a marine engineer and he sails often.
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yup.
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post Aug 18 2010, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(ldhong @ Aug 18 2010, 02:42 PM)
I understand what u meant. Working in LNG tanker or oil tanker like those MISC or Tenaga are getting high paid but once u onboard u will be home away maybe for months....That is the drawback...

Well, if u work offshore on platform maybe u can opt for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off..Maybe u are away but not so long.....That is not so bad...The drawback is the high risk of danger...
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well. 2weeks on/of for offshore. but do you know how much they've to work per day. it is about 12 hours per day. of course it'll be tiring to keep them longer. on ship, normal working hours is about 8hours per day. furthermore they stuck only in one place on the platform. while ships move around and you get the chances to visit other people country.

both side have almost similar risk.

both sides have pros n cons. and being away for long tym from home is what graduates nowadays fears. u want to earn big then u'll have to sacrifice.


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post Aug 19 2010, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(ldhong @ Aug 18 2010, 03:16 PM)
Yes, 12hrs per day..6am eat, 9am tea, 12pm lunch, 3pm tea, 6pm break..After all it is still not that bad plus i work at control room somemore...Most of the time just job standby only biggrin.gif ....i dont work at platform but i actually perform servicing work onboard...My company is the vendor.....If i were to choose i will work offshore rather than go on ship... smile.gif
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yup. but offshore kinda stressful to me coz everyday the same environment. that's why their contract are shorter than seafarer.

QUOTE(mazer6446 @ Aug 19 2010, 08:50 AM)
i don't know man.. some people says.. working at this type of job: offshore/shiping etc.. it just like you trade your life with money man.. yes the income maybe much higher.. but the life with family n friends will be taken away from you..

time to go hang out with frens.. watching movies, go back to hometown during weekends.. gathering and so on..
if something emergency happens... can we really be there around people we love?

i think its depends on how much you want to sacrified , for me i choose the balance of both smile.gif
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that's the sacrifice. but my contract is 6 month on/ 3 month off. lets say u work on shore. work all the year with only 30days paid leave. provided that you work far from home. those who work near is ok. how many willing to travel back to hometown to meet their families n parents? with 3 month of my paid leave. i enjoy most of my time with my famly. my paid leave is about 1400usd per month. tax free. when i'm working food/accommodation is provided. so... i can save money. biggrin.gif

we also watch the latest movies onboard. we get new dvd's & blu rays everytime we enter port. onboard have gym, swimming pool, karaoke set, ps3, xbox360. well... for me who's just 22 years old. consider fun enough for me.

at 22 years old i've travelled to america(houston, new york, canada, new orleans), mexico, venezuela, cape town, australia(geelong n melbourne), taiwan, china, singapore n drydock in pasir gudang. all this were done in my 11months contract(original contract is 6 month but i extended till 11 month). try to find 22 years old people out there who hav the same travel&working opportunities like i have. and i'm not just passing by. i've got the chances to go shore and shopping summore.

and for smokers, cigarette onboard is tax free. tongue.gif

QUOTE(ldhong @ Aug 19 2010, 09:41 AM)
Agreed. That's is absolutely correct.

If there is anything happen you really can't come back immediately. This is due to the availability of chopper. Not to say want to come back then can come back. Sometimes wheather not good chopper can't land at helideck need to wait for few days again to go back. Going back with Cargo boat??? Worst. Long hours plus the condition definitely will make you seasick..... smile.gif
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well. it depends. like my ship. i'm onboard oil tankers. it is quite rare to face rough weather at sea. most of the time chopper can lands. those navigators on the bridge are not stupid to just go through storm unless there is no other choice. stormy seas and rough weather can cause delay to the cargo we're going to deliver because it'll reduce the speed of the ship. so the deck officers will plan well for each voyage. we get weather forecast summore. if distance is far from shore, company will arrange picking up by helicopter. if it is close it'll be by boats.

QUOTE(kianchun555 @ Aug 19 2010, 03:35 PM)
True, not to mention off shore. Construction also. Thats why I still doubt whether to work in construction line or in electronics. Cos I have went for training once for 2 mths, construction work 6 days a week, so kinda impossible to go back unless taking leave. I believe Offshore condition must be worse than construction lo. Money or Family?
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your choice. because when salary is good. i can save money and maybe set up business and retire early. then i can spend quality time with my family while on shore because nobody will disturb me while i'm on my leave. 3month paid leave sure good enough for me.
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post Sep 6 2010, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Sep 6 2010, 01:17 AM)
any teachers to share their salary here?
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gov school or private?

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