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post Nov 3 2009, 10:50 PM

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[quote=jacktai,Nov 2 2009, 10:06 PM]
I LOLed at this statement "You can easily earn 2-3k with your degree" . Stop being so proud about it smile.gif . Btw, I am just a 23 years old diploma(I grad when I was 21) holder where my post now needs you to have degree with more than 2 years experience smile.gif . "Without degree you will be forever stuck in 1-2k salary, unless you do sales/own a business. " this is another yawn.gif statement. smile.gif Degree nowadays is nothing (but for those who pursuing their studies for Degree or higher I would say go for it, it is a good advantage with it) , work hard and know your own strength then you will surely excel no matter in any fields you are in. Then only you can demand the figures needed. I do respect a lot of 'forum' mers here gaining more than 10k per month even without degree smile.gif
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As everyone working as employee know how important is your qualification. With a degree mean you are in par. Without it, the Co. won't even look at your resume. With a higher qualification mean you are in prestigious position then other staff. Without a degree, no matter how hard you work you will unable to reach manager level in normal Co. Unless you start your own Co. or its ur father Co.

Anyway, sad to tell, time had change, our dad or grandfather work hard & excel moment its a pass. When come to promotion, your qualification come first, then only your achievement. Some of my colleague work for 20years with SPM, still at the same post. Other with degree, just work for 4years already in manager level.

Welcome to a realistic world, little boy. Join it or leave it.

Unless you wanna be businessman, then that's another story. Or doing sales, which just need to good in talking & convince people.
But if you wanna compare to working in those peanut Co. then so sad your at that level only.

How many people without a proper education earning >10k. And how many suffer to survive. Try to do some statistic & some study.
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To get in nowadays, u need a degree. But if u are already inside, starting without a degree, u can still climb up to managerial level in some companies, for example a certain Anglo-Dutch O&G company
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post May 15 2010, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(yvanser @ May 15 2010, 06:54 PM)
It depends on Operators (Shell, Petronas, BP...), if Shell is the operator, offshore is usually 45 days, but it could be extended to 60 days maximum. Then you will need to go back onshore.

It depends on company also, some companies are 2 months offshore + 1 month office, or even worse like 2 months offshore + 2 weeks office, then go offshore again, if you want a break after offshore then u will need to apply before you go offshore. Not every companies will automatically let you have a break after offshore, you will need to negociate during your interview.
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Shell, Exxon and Petronas are on 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off... better get the facts right
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post May 16 2010, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(yvanser @ May 16 2010, 07:38 AM)
Read my post again before asking me to get my fact right. I said "if Shell is the operator", they fix the offshore period to 45 days to 60 days for their contractors. I'm not saying if you work directly under Shell.
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My bad then... but 1 thing tho, its not Shell per say who fix the offshore period for their contractors. At most, the medical officers, general helpers and material coordinators (all contractors) are either on 2 & 2 or 3 & 1. However, resources supplied to Shell for campaign work, for example by Petra or Sarku, are subjected to their respective paymasters.
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post Jun 2 2010, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(calcom21 @ Jun 2 2010, 08:17 PM)
True. They usually use country inflation rate as general. I'm in KL and i know what u mean. But if you said KL is higher, than i think Sabah is a lot higher. Food and accomodation is a lot exp than KL except they don't need to pay toll
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Nope. If you want to compare east msian towns, between Kuching, KK and Miri, Miri is the most expensive, yet slightly cheaper than KL.
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post Jun 3 2010, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(realventis @ Jun 3 2010, 12:03 AM)
Sorry..KK is more expensive..Miri was due to its Oil and Gas industry whereas KK do not have any specific industry that really define its city..
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Sure ka? I dont remember KK being *that expensive* when I was based there for a year. In fact, now that I'm based in Miri, I would say Miri is more expensive than KK, almost equal to KL.
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post Jun 3 2010, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(realventis @ Jun 3 2010, 11:47 AM)
You stay in KK for 1 year only dude..Try live here for at least 3 years..


Yup..I agree that inflation is slow but it is still high..A huge difference once the price go up in KK..
Btw Miri is expensive due to its OnG industry..You can see Labuan as an example..In year 2008 Labuan food price go up when OnG start to grow rapidly in Labuan in 2008...If you wan to say about Bruneians, well Labuan also famous for them before year 2008 and the food price in Labuan was very cheap that time..
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Maybe it's true, but even now, on and off I still go to KK and Labuan either on business or leisure, and time permits, I always come back to KL, yet I have not experienced a situation where the CoL is higher than KL.
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post Jun 3 2010, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Selectt @ Jun 3 2010, 04:20 PM)
every few years, people get killed in oil platform. Mostly die from gas explosions.
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Every year we have fatal road accidents and airplane crashes. I dont see the masses stop using cars or airplane for that matter
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post Jun 4 2010, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(cofin @ Jun 4 2010, 12:30 PM)
i still do think tht KK is more expensive to live in compare to Miri....

in KK the food minimum 5 and above ...theres go ur salary juz by eating....then the places at there are not concentrated it took a long drive from 1 place to another theres go ur salary on petrol

where Miri is smaller and cheaper.....but the only well paid job are those connected with Oil and Gas ....
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Except for mee kolo, I seriously doubt you can find < RM5 food in Miri. If you wanna cook yourself, the prepacked (canned, vacuumed, etc) food are more expensive than KL. Fresh produce is cheap. Poultry is similar to KL, beef is double KL's price, if you want the tenderloin, etc. Seafood in KK is way cheaper.

Only the petrol is kind to your wallet since Miri is a small city. Thats why I always do my grocery shopping in Brunei, and while I'm there, give my car a fill up as well, since its BD 0.58/liter for RON 97.
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post Jun 4 2010, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Jun 4 2010, 01:13 PM)
How do you fill at the subsidized price with a Msian car?
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Bro, there are 4 IIRC petrol stations in Brunei that M'sian cars can go and pump at. It was 0.5BD/liter @ BD 10 max per M'sian car at 1 time. After the big huhha, and people started filling up spare container, they sold the petrol at equivalent to M'sian price/liter. Afterwards, the most recent I filled up, it went back to 0.58 @ 10 dollar max /car again.
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post Jun 5 2010, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(cofin @ Jun 4 2010, 09:30 PM)
Are you sure u fill up ur tank in Brunei .... they limit Malaysian car on their petrol like what we do to Singaporean ....Bruneian come all the way to Miri to do grocery shopping and u went there to buy stuff? So terbalik 1
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Ever heard of Supa Save, Seria? It's within the BSP housing camp.

http://www.outpostexpat.nl/simple.asp?path=q4h68gew


Yep, they limit to BD10, at BD 0.58/liter, roughly around RM 1.4/liter for 97. The nearest gas station u can fill is at Sg Teraban (sp?), just before the toll bridge to Kuala belait.

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post Jun 5 2010, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Jun 5 2010, 03:13 PM)
I love the kebab outside Supa Save. I don't think its cheap though there are good choices for imported food since it serves those Brit soldiers stationed nearby. I filled at Sg Teraban... I had to fill in a form and pay the 'Msian' price. >.<
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Really? So far, have not been asked to fill up any form at Sg Teraban, and didnt have to go to the pump specific for m'sian cars. Probably that's why.

Yep, the kebab is good. Ben & Jerry, HD, and other imported stuff are cheaper than if you go and buy at GK supermarket in Miri. Not to forget the Escapade...

QUOTE(brian_3214 @ Jun 5 2010, 03:18 PM)
Job Title : Assistant Sales Manager
Job Desciption : Generator / Engine distributor, Oil & Gas division
Years spent in company : 5+
Company : Local company
Industry : Power industry
Tenure : permanent
Employment Level : Middle
Experience before joining : fresh graduate in year 2005
salary : RM 4k+
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Are you with Tractors or Synergistic?

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post Jun 6 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(brian_3214 @ Jun 5 2010, 11:01 PM)
Close...but not quite...does synergistic pay well? i do think i am underpaid at the moment...LOL

you also in the same industry? Does you company pay well? got any vacancy...LOL....
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I'm on the client side. Sometimes we engage either Syn or Tractors when our emergency gensets went on vacation. Dunno how's the pay in Syn, or Tractors/SD for that matter, but my paymaster pays "above average". You can always apply online... they are hiring atm.
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(brian_3214 @ Jun 6 2010, 12:04 AM)
You work in the "big yellow" petrol company?

i recently sold one unit of genset delivered to their Miri office smile.gif
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Nope. Red... the big yellow is our "jiran".

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post Jul 7 2010, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(knight @ Jul 7 2010, 04:41 PM)
Yahh...might be true..but my current job experience are a non-carry forward experience to other company in future. That's why I'm in confusion.
That's the problem with Malaysian. Obviously, these people are spoiling the market. Some say they can hire a fresh graduate with CGPA 3.70 for RM1.8K. Then it smells like those who have lower CGPA will be getting less than that. Salary increase depends on management as well. Some just pretend as they dun see the well performed employee yet they also did not request for further increment. They knew, and they offers you when you wanna jump.
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You can make the jump to operator, or bigger service providers. CNA is part and parcel of O&G. Taking a guess, you are with either Yoko, Emerson or Tri... There are a lot of service reps who made the jump to operators after several yrs with the vendors.
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post Aug 27 2010, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(blessed @ Aug 27 2010, 08:38 PM)
Hi guys, i'm a fresh grad, just started work for almost 2 mths..but I got another offer recently..

Age : 24
Job Title : Management trainee
Years spent in company : -
Company : MNC
Industry : IT
Location : KL
Tenure : Permanent
Experience before joining : Fresh grad
Education Level : Degree
Salary : RM 3.6k
Working hours : Mon-Fri (8am-5pm)

My current job:

Job Title : Management trainee
Years spent in company : 2 mths
Company : SME
Location : Cheras
Tenure : Permanent
Experience before joining : Fresh grad
Education Level : Degree
Salary : RM 2.4k
Working hours : Mon-Fri (8.30am-5pm), sat (half day, alternate)

Ok, it might seem like an easy choice, looking at the pay& the size of the company..
i would also think tat i'm rather stupid if i give up this latest offer..i went thru a lot of stages of interview to finally get this job offer..
but the prob is i hav also begin to really commit my self in the current company, my boss really treat me well..

he is very willing to share his exp & personally train me n arrange seniors to guide me..
i m working in a new dept in the company, the team is very small, many things are not set up yet..
but i m glad my boss is willing to give me the chance & be patient wif me to slowly learn & lead the dept..
i know very well if i can work long here, i can be the pioneer of the dept & the company..
i also feel very guilty to my current team & boss if i sudd left them when we've all jus started make some progress..
the ppl thr r very friendly, thr's almost zero politics..

but the job offer now seems like a golden opportunity for Freshies like me..it is my dream job too..just the way i wanted..
the only thing is the company is kinda far frm whr i stay now..n very troublesome as i dun own a car yet..
my current company is just 15 mins away frm my home..

help..i'm really in dilemma..pls advice.. unsure.gif
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Loyalty and sentiment dont pay much these days...
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post Aug 28 2010, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(blessed @ Aug 28 2010, 08:45 PM)
maybe u're right, it's jus tat in my current company, i do see tat loyalty is rewarded thr..
the top management thr has been ard wif my boss for more than 10 yrs..
my boss also personally told me the stories of how he trained them up, he said u need not be smart, but loyal & sincere is wad he counts..
but of course, i dun think this will happen in big companies..
haha, ya, usually if i jus look at the pay i wun even need to think..
but the chance of getting noticed & promoted...ya, competition will definitely be higher..
oh ya! i forgot to say tat my company now has been ard for 9 yrs..jus tat my dept is new..
but i was thinking too, like even if i get promoted in my co. now, how many yrs will i have to wait to get more than 3k?
i guess nothing's perfect, thr's always give & take..
when i first got my job now, i was actually quite happy wif the pay..i think not too bad, 2.4k at small co. + no exp..
but since now the new offer came..makes me feel like i've become greedy..
true, this is one "BIG" decision i have to make.. gotta make up my mind.. anyway..thx alot for the wishes...same to u!
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Look at it this way, between SME and MNC, which 1 do you think would open more doors of opportunity for you in later years?
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post Jan 7 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(BRC @ Jan 7 2011, 02:07 PM)
perks sound VERY familiar...
not a joke nor a lie...
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Of coz its familiar, the Senior Staff designation is the giveaway.. tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2011, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_tan @ Jan 17 2011, 03:57 PM)
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Well I could be wrong but lets do a comparison of OnG pay for IT, OnG pay for engineering (for this one, put yourself into one of the criteria's that I have mentioned in previous post) and IT pay for consultants in an IT company??

The "high fliers" I mentioned previously is subjective and pardon me. Lets quantify it.

Earning 5 figures with 2 years experience.

Note: This is for a healthy comparison / debate purpose and no offense is meant to any party
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IT vs Engineering in O&G,

Fresh grads up to < 5 yrs experience = same pay scale (basic, standard remuneration package, e.g., relocation, home passage, etc). Anything extra comes when the person has to go offshore on ad-hoc basis and entitled to claim the daily rate allowance, regardless of IT or engineering. Those on rosters would get the additional fixed offshore allowance on top of the standard remuneration.

Progressing later up the ladder would see some segregation in benefits between technical and non-tech, e.g., technical allowance, retention payment, etc.

I'm not saying this is the typical payout standardization in O&G, but it is at least what my paymaster is currently practicing, and its a Fortune 500 company.

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