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cheezzzz
post Jul 10 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 11:00 AM)
not hving enough sleep could affect ur recovery frm working out.
but i think the main problem could be that merely "going to the gym" and taking protein powder is not usually enough if you want great results. shldnt rely 100% on supplements also. not that they're not good but what thats more important is how u train and what u eat on a daily basis. post up ur daily meal plan, maybe? might be able to help critique a little.
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ive a question... how different is strength training/bodybuilding for guys as opposed to girls? just a thought cuz i read that muscles help to burn fat.. need to clear this mindset of mine n my gf's hahah.. girls and their skeptics with lifting weights..
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post Jul 10 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jul 10 2010, 02:09 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, it's not the lifting part that varies, it's the actual muscle building. Women in general find it harder to gain muscle mass the way men generally can due to the fact that they have much less testosterone than men.
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hence wouldnt it be more difficult for them to burn fat by relying on building muscle since they have a tougher time gaining muscle mass..?

cardio + circuits/complexes perhaps? also, will there be any difference if girls train using strength training programmes vs hypertrophy/bb programmes?
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post Jul 10 2010, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 02:27 PM)
well... for me its no different if ur talking abt program. i train exactly like a guy and hv the same routine (but different poundage lah of course) as my friends who compete in middle and light-heavy categories.

i think what thats different is the diet. my friends can get away with nasi lemak and ikan bakar... i will just get fat. heh. and i gotta do a hell lot more cardio than them. girls tend to store fat more easily and its harder to burn off the fat too compared to guys. i tend to lose alot of muscle and look very small and shapeless when i lose weight... but lately im attributing this to poor dieting and hopefully i will have better results on CKD.

and yes. putting on muscle is a real pain in the ass. i wanna get bigger also susah. get fat very easy tho lol. so for girls who just lift a few dumbells for "toning" purposes u wont see very dramatic increases in muscle size at all.
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thx for ur insight ladyvanity, but i mean for guys or girls, ur gonna have to lift heavy if u wana gain muscle mass right. wich will help in the quest for fat burning. toning is nonsense for those who wana lose weight seriously no? lolol. but im sure girls can still gain enuf muscle mass to go from big girl you are beautiful to slim figures through str training/bodybuilding progs without having big bulging muscles right? (definition of big bulging muscles meaning not the skinny ripped look, but with relatively guy-like muscles)

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post Jul 10 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 02:50 PM)
yup. for girls its all the MORE important to lift heavy for hypertrophy. ive made many mistakes in the past and overlooked this... always thinking i cld get away with "light weights hi reps" cos i wanted a "nice shape" and not sheer mass. boy was i wrong.

and i wldnt say "toning" is nonsense.. i consider bodyweight workouts, circuit training, certain functional training and classes like BodyPump as "toning" exercises and workouts. i dont do them... dont like them... but u cant deny that these are great workouts that have the potential to make u lose a ton of weight. i hv a friend who does functional training and all sorts of bodyweight work and he's got a pretty darn amazing bod.

guylike muscles? if u talking abt Ms Physique or Ms Olympia type muscles... not a chance. you can eat till u puke and train till the cows come home... not a chance that a girl can get that huge naturally.
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hahaha naw mebe like 1/4' of chris' aka darklight's muscles? never? lololol.

so ultimately, lifting heavy weights to provide resistance is going to be essential for gaining muscle mass whether ur guy/girl which helps a lot in burning fat? bodyweight work has its fair share of resistance too biggrin.gif lotta of them still pwn me flat. so pair them both and get the best of both worlds?

wait but if theres not a chance a girl can get that huge naturally, thats not a lot of muscle mass on her now is there? how does that attribute to fat burning? or isit that, just cuz u dont see them bulging, does not mean the muscle mass isnt there?
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post Jul 10 2010, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 03:06 PM)

''wait but if theres not a chance a girl can get that huge naturally, thats not a lot of muscle mass on her now is there? how does that attribute to fat burning? or isit that, just cuz u dont see them bulging, does not mean the muscle mass isnt there? " - and im sorry.... i dont quite understand this =/ not alot of muscle mass on her? (who??)

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icic sorry allow me to rephrase..

since theres not a chance a girl can get that huge naturally, so how is it possible to have more muscle than fats which will help the fat burning process?

oooh. wait so how do u measure muscle mass lol
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post Jul 10 2010, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Jul 10 2010, 03:17 PM)
You gotta ask your gf this ;P : if there's no muscles, what is there to tone?
If it's not muscles under the skin, it's fat. Takkan she wants to tone fatty tissues and bones? LOL!

When comparing female bodybuilders to male BBers, look at the difference in size. Even after years of training, strict dieting,  steroid use, fake boobs, etc... they still have less muscle mass than natural male BBers. I guess it's pretty obvious that for casual female, gaining muscle is an ordeal/challenge instead of fear.

And it's important not just for gaining muscle. It's also for stronger bones. Denser bones = lesser risk of osteoporosis.
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true that. but im tryin to understand the whole testosterone thing when it comes to muscle building. my main question is still.. so with proper diet and consistent lifting for hypertrophy a girl would still gain less muscle than a guy that did the exact same thing? (same thing meaning training respectively to their own standards, guy n girl's diet cater respectively to their 1g per pound of BW n require cal intake for muscle recovery n growth)

QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 03:18 PM)
its definitely possible. you DIET. biggrin.gif lol

measure muscle mass by finding out ur bodyfat %
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hahaha sounds like a herculean task. esp when the required cal intake is so low yet the amount of protein has to be enough for recovery/growth.

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post Jul 10 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Jul 10 2010, 03:30 PM)
yup.
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alright thanks LadyV! biggrin.gif appreciate the clarification and insight!

 

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