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post Oct 4 2009, 03:07 PM

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testing new toys...
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wrong post for memtest, 222X13, suppose to be ddr888:confused:
which may found discussion in memtest86+ forum.

long story here.
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post Oct 4 2009, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Oct 4 2009, 03:13 PM)
So how high you can achieve w/ your x4 620?
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with stock vcore (i set 1.4), up to 250x13, but ram can't pass 1000mhz...
hvn't try more yet, need to change to 4 stick of crucial...
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post Oct 4 2009, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Oct 4 2009, 04:36 PM)
Is it the lowest divider?
Would like to know how high this proc can go. smile.gif
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buy one and test it. rclxms.gif
I will not try extreme wif air cooling.
1.4v is extreme for a 45nm chip
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post Oct 4 2009, 08:27 PM

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Allrite, explaination on why 1.4 is quite high...
pls check for core temp/realtemp or watever can show core temp.
u may found why i said is quite high.
for this baby i can check thru bios, running idle is 38...
and if my estimation correct, 1.4v in windows won't be exceed 50 base on what mobo read.

the real different is from core temp.
by slightly increasing voltage, u may found the core temp when full load will reached TJMax(the reading depend on what die you own) easily.
while by using other than air cooling it is easily to lower the idle temp for each core near 35 and it will never reach TJMax so easy.

QUOTE(antonio @ Oct 4 2009, 06:01 PM)
I 'm on 1.5875v and more than 1.65v....and thats on air  shocking.gif
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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 4 2009, 06:06 PM)
pawnage by taikor..
westley.. 1.4 is just low voltage in here doh.gif
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QUOTE(kuntawakaw @ Oct 4 2009, 06:14 PM)
hehehe..
right2..
unless u using stock cooler crappy cooler then u shud stick with 1.4.. - at here la..not at HW Q&A
low for me is 1.0

edited.... found the crappyness after read antonio post below

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QUOTE(kuntawakaw @ Oct 4 2009, 07:52 PM)
i dont think for u it is high.
for me yes since i using such a lousy cooler..  1.35vcore prime x2 50++ edi..
and also i swear i never prime my rig more then 1.4.. max i ever prime for 1 hr is 1.392v...
depends on how 'extreme' the person is
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post Oct 5 2009, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(kuntawakaw @ Oct 5 2009, 12:04 AM)
owh.. these words.. i been hit by them from uncle digs..and its bleeding till now..
@Westley.
depends on ur cooler to determine 1.4v is low or high.. on stock cooler sure high but on TRUE or even CCF i belive that is quite a low figure... (and im talking about air)..

if increase vcore
i concern more about my mobo and my bills rather then my proc...

so...try more dude... make it the max so that ppl here get poisoned and buy them instead..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
just tu ask, propus die or deneb? i wud love to see propus more...
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Air cooling is still air cooling, haha.
Tried few air cooling before.
Even Gemini S..., but always having this and that issue, either blocking ram/other cooling etc...
But WC is not bad, if install it in a case, i will use my d-tek block.
crosshair II didn't give option to unlock core/cache, haha
core:
CADAC AD 0931EPCW
Quite a new core.

QUOTE(antonio @ Oct 5 2009, 12:41 AM)
Hehehe...The way I determine high is by looking at the change of color in the vcore options value...If red than it means 'high', if not I will assume that it is still acceptable...  whistling.gif
haha, my board showing me 1.4v is above normal.
the 2nd LED lighted up.
prime it, see what is d max temp that reach.

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post Oct 5 2009, 10:05 AM

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yup rclxms.gif
juz install vista 64
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this is juz for references...
2 of the prime failed after 3 minutes doh.gif
still need to test more on it...

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post Oct 5 2009, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 5 2009, 10:58 AM)
did i saw 8gb of ram there? shocking.gif

i suspect ur ram speed bring the orthos to fail condition..
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ah ha, i got 4 stick of 2gb ram installed tongue.gif
i set to 1.9v and it pass memtest 200 round...
for sure failed due to not enough voltage
juz wanna see how hot this baby run
blink blink effects... for not more than USD 200 icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 5 2009, 11:43 AM)
sir antonio kan ade cheap + very2 gud d9 ram??? pm him for details lah...  tongue.gif

btw guys, Westlely is no newbie, he is an oc'er of my generation, not new but not so old too... he used to guide me alot during nf2 era...  wink.gif
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bro, my last experience is since Intel P965 till now...
After s939 i jump to 965 for not more than 1 month...
my whole rig stolen by thieves. doh.gif

Consider new to AM2 and AM3 notworthy.gif
waiting for a BI 785g from DFI now.
then will try it wif my 620.
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post Oct 5 2009, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 5 2009, 12:42 PM)
@westley,
ur vcore the way to high now sweat.gif if compare to clock speed
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Oh, that's wat the board do..., auto detect as 1.4v when boot up.
although i can go for less, but won't be stable.
Especially 4 dimm, it is not easy.
but still 1.4v is in range
QUOTE(cloudwan @ Oct 5 2009, 03:26 PM)
Owhhhhhhh so he's a taiko berlagak noobie meh? Nih yg nak kena rotan nih laugh.gif tongue.gif
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takde, newly touch AM2+ only. blush.gif

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post Oct 5 2009, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(cloudwan @ Oct 5 2009, 03:27 PM)
Iyer ler TS i know i slalu sepam..  cry.gif  cry.gif


Added on October 5, 2009, 3:29 pm

That's what's bugging me since their launch ah..
Why oh why does when it's using the propus core the vcore jump tremendously hmm.gif
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haha, no answer for that, i'm not work in AMD.
but 1st though when i saw the voltage, oh, a K8 90nm???
or the IMC not good enuf?
not sure, but looks decent since not greater than 100 USD.
I'm now trying more with some voltage adjustment.
240x13
set dram to 2.2v, 1.425 vcore...
running memtest again
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post Oct 5 2009, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 5 2009, 03:37 PM)
time to pull out another 2 stick.. 4gb is enough, 8gb is kill.. sell to me that 4 gb laugh.gif
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I join 4 dimm club always, haha.
that is the challenge, tuning 4 dimm not easy laugh.gif
but when u manage to do it, got big different.
QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 5 2009, 03:39 PM)
waa... nie dah extreme dah nie, main sebat2 plak...  sweat.gif  tongue.gif
do try out 2 sticks bro, i'm sure alot here interested to know how well d real propus can go. at current rate (w/ 4 sticks), i gotta be frank w/ u > it's a big turn off due to d volt on almost stock clock of unlocked x2 550be...  sweat.gif
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sure will try out when my ram cooler arrived. d ram is hot when run without fan.
now 4 dimm is good to stress proc's imc too.
it hav a golden metal near d bottom for each ram ic.
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post Oct 5 2009, 10:38 PM

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some update guys...
let's the picture take the role...
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post Oct 5 2009, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(kuntawakaw @ Oct 5 2009, 10:44 PM)
@Westley
cpu vtt is the vcore? thats low.. i like.. laugh.gif

off topic.
how come ur HDD temp min and max difference that large..
mine only differ 2-3c only.. most of the time... no matter what ill be doing.
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I never installed driver.
VTT seems to be not related with vcore.
adjusted to 1.425 in bios.
the max vcore range specified by AMD, according to some site.

HDD temp, not sure, for now is 48, this setup doesn't have anything.
no mobo driver, mobo monitor tools, graphic drivers, no sound card, and summore no network.
I just running for a test.

currently having an old school 939 rig with wc setup.
this 939 is on raid 1 which i can't monitor the temp from any software. sweat.gif
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post Oct 6 2009, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(piumiu @ Oct 6 2009, 10:40 AM)
Anybody installed true on A2/AM3 bracket? I have issue with the AM3 bracket supplied. Screw too short.
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Buy a megashadow, wif am3 bracket u like to install any direction u wish.

QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 6 2009, 02:19 PM)
wait for 630, w/ higher multi @ 14 = possible to hit higher clock... pre order available @ uk now...  tongue.gif
btw, something for matx lovers...  laugh.gif
http://forums.vr-zone.com/overclocking-baz...overclocks.html
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consider a USD$99 item.
with a 200mhz up, the extra payment seems not that worth.
btw, 635 and 640 coming soon too.
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post Oct 6 2009, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 6 2009, 08:15 PM)
sir antonio oso got one what... btw, here's d 3.75GHz ss...  smile.gif

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do push more.
btw the image is very large, Acer P243W's power?

My opinion is there are lot of people will not change processor that frequent.
So let's say a guy getting something around 100USD, and with OC performance is above 635 640 speed.
then it is a very satisfied choice.
Of course, O'cer who want more for bandwidth etc is another story.

xixo_12
juz get the news of P55 GD80 DOA...
4 of the ram slot all die. shakehead.gif
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post Oct 6 2009, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM)
doh.gif.. intel discussion is there ---> laugh.gif

btw nice board u have.. too bad die before perform well.. the reason why u need to stay with amd laugh.gif
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next move, juz a small pawn, 785g from dfi...
waiting for shipment. laugh.gif
the next Root will be Lian-Li X2000 thumbup.gif
hv to pay deposit this few days.
QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 6 2009, 10:22 PM)
i think d wall is gettin near for prime stable w/ my current coolin solution. not on 24 incher as d acer is in rented storeroom, usin d gud old 20 incher lg now...  wink.gif

it's d lust for higher no that drives d urge for better clock. there's nothin wrong to get satisfied after certain clock achieved, but even casual clocker like me always ask for more, thou i dun relly need that kinda b/w or processin power.  nod.gif
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man, u r not casual...
i believe the taikor CST?? will like to called them as noob... whistling.gif
no more people hosting sandra ranking?
looks like all silent after 4 years.
QUOTE(bobiac @ Oct 6 2009, 10:15 PM)
same with my case. haha. 4 all ram slot die. msi p55 gd80 too
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i think i know which shop u buy the board. laugh.gif

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post Oct 7 2009, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Oct 7 2009, 09:15 AM)
woot, gud choice by goin dfi bro... 785 is capable of massive htt oc, i'm lookin forward to that.  icon_idea.gif

d reason why no more sandra rankin could be due to failure of amd to reclaim d performance crown from intel. d latter is far more superior when it comes to memory performance where sandra is one of d widely used benchmarks.  nod.gif

me not casual? if i'm hardcore enuf, i won't just show a mere 3.75GHz ss. there are more hardcore in here than u can imagine bro...  wink.gif
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dfi 785 cancelled, since 785 and 790gx almost d same.
I use those money to get another new baby today:
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Latest update for rig, running 240x13 prime for 13 hrs.
i set this before go to work today.
will use the new toy to test the different.
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post Oct 7 2009, 11:43 PM

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erm, not 4ghz, juz an air cooling comparison.
later will go WC comparison when put it in casing too.
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QUOTE(babyyi @ Oct 7 2009, 11:54 PM)
ur ram timing nice d la...=.= rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

xD...cant tahan attracted from D n M....

now waiting bro bobiac find tat Stock bracket...
if dun hav the bracket,nx time i cant warranty =.="


Added on October 8, 2009, 12:00 am
WoW...awesome cooler....my dream cooler....
now i oni using deepcool cooler....sad.. rclxub.gif
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awesome, yup.
but have to return tomorrow.
the am2 bracket is worst.
it cannot tight to the mobo so will "goyang" left-right and up-down(this is the worst).
so it will not balance.
another issue is, this thing is a metal plate, it might scratch ur mobo if incorrect install.

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post Oct 8 2009, 12:49 AM

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what i think their concept for amd is to use the screw to tighten that hold the center bar, that fix the cooler position and to create a pressure so that the back plate will hold stick closely to mobo, which mean if u didn't install the megashadow yet, the bracket itself will goyang.
and i'm not very trust to the bracket, even it didn't scratch the mobo and make any component fall from mobo, but i'm afraik this metal plate above the mobo will touch with some component.
if this happened, short circuit is the result, and mobo will go goreng goreng...

here is the sample of one amd mobo, take a look around the cpu socket
http://www.jetway.com.tw/pic/big/HA07-Ultra.jpg
too many small component.

if anyone still wanna try his luck, might be the concept is right, it will hold the cooler nicely.
but be careful during installation.
I would prefer to use something looks more safety, let's say true.
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if money is not a problem.
TRUE is a nice move.

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