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myasimo
post Sep 14 2009, 09:55 PM

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some of the dividend is exclude the tax, because will paid by company...
example: tier interm dividend.

financial year 2009 tax rate is 25%
financial year 2010 tax rate is 24%


DanielW
post Sep 14 2009, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Sep 14 2009, 03:17 PM)
That's not a good reason, in my opinion. For KWSP, the government could always include an exception in the tax laws for it. After all, income derived from government issued securities are already tax exempt. For the reason of encouraging investment, arguably the Malaysian economy at the current stage already over-invests and under-consumes. A lack of capital gains tax only exacerbates this. However, my primary reason for strongly supporting a capital gains tax is still that a tax system without it is strongly regressive and hence unjust. It constantly amazes me that poor Malaysians will demand stuff like fuel subsidies, price controls and minimum wages while ignoring the far greater injustice in the lack of capital gains taxes.
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I came from a poor background..and I'm glad that my capital gain from stock market investment is not taxed..
Jordy
post Sep 14 2009, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 14 2009, 03:22 PM)
Joking aside, it doesn't exclusive to older people. Young people also can have passive income source through dividend.  biggrin.gif

Actually if younger people know how to have a strategy to have passive income + core income (your core work), then one's wealth can be built more faster and exponantially.  smile.gif
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cherroy,

Sorry for my previous reply. Didn't mean that it's exclusively for old people. Heck, I'm still young, but I am also starting to build up my passive income smile.gif

What I meant was that dividend play is more relevant for retirees who want to receive passive income. For younger people, it is wiser to invest in compounding instruments for better exponential growth smile.gif
cherroy
post Sep 14 2009, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(myasimo @ Sep 14 2009, 09:55 PM)
some of the dividend is exclude the tax, because will paid by company...
example: tier interm dividend.

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Wrong, no offence. smile.gif

First tier dividend are taxed ay company level before go into the hand of shareholders. Company is belonged to the shareholders, how come can say paid by company? rclxub.gif
Part of company is yours! When company is paying then you are the one is paying as well.

In first tier dividend,
You are paying flat rate at corporate instead of individual tax bracket (which for some in much lower than corporate tax level except rich and high earners which reach the maximum bracket as individual highest tax bracket is higher than corporate flat rate level)

QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 14 2009, 11:20 PM)
cherroy,

Sorry for my previous reply. Didn't mean that it's exclusively for old people. Heck, I'm still young, but I am also starting to build up my passive income smile.gif

What I meant was that dividend play is more relevant for retirees who want to receive passive income. For younger people, it is wiser to invest in compounding instruments for better exponential growth smile.gif
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I knew that didn't mean that, just joking and pick up the phrase only. smile.gif
tyhell
post Sep 14 2009, 11:40 PM

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i got another question for all pros here...

is there something to do with the par value of the company with the dividend given??

eg. a 7% DY from a RM 1.00 stock means that i will be getting RM0.07 per stock rite??

its the same with the announcement of a dividend of RM 0.07 from a RM 1.00 stock??

does the par value affect any of these dividend pay out??
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post Sep 14 2009, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(tyhell @ Sep 14 2009, 11:40 PM)
i got another question for all pros here...

is there something to do with the par value of the company with the dividend given??

eg. a 7% DY from a RM 1.00 stock means that i will be getting RM0.07 per stock rite??

its the same with the announcement of a dividend of RM 0.07 from a RM 1.00 stock??

does the par value affect any of these dividend pay out??
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Yes, same.

No, dividend ability come from company profit and cashflow.

Par value won't affect the amount of dividend, just how it is being announced in term of %.

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If a company is making 7 cents profit per share, then it wants to give as dividend, the company can announce as 7 cents dividend or 7% dividend if par value is 1.00 or 14% if par value is 0.50, which is the same.
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post Sep 15 2009, 12:30 AM

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cherroy,

this means the par value wont affect the dividend in cents (we will get 7 cents per share for either par value stated at 1.00 or 0.5)??

but

it will affect the DY in percentage as u explained....
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post Sep 15 2009, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(tyhell @ Sep 15 2009, 12:30 AM)
cherroy,

this means the par value wont affect the dividend in cents (we will get 7 cents per share for either par value stated at 1.00 or 0.5)??

but

it will affect the DY in percentage as u explained....
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Div yield = Total dividend/share price

There is no par value involvement in this case.
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post Sep 15 2009, 05:16 AM

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Bursa really need to get rid of this Par value difference and make all stocks standard RM0.10 par value.
Kamen Rider
post Sep 15 2009, 06:10 AM

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1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Turnover 1,964.0 1,947.0 2,036.0 2,772.0 3,010.0 3,073.0 3,199.0 3,236.7 3,564.2 3,612.5 3,830.0 4,135.0
Profit 483.0 629.0 380.0 506.0 607.7 662.9 758.2 782.1 592.8 719.7 731.0 811.0
EPS 169.0 220.0 133.0 177.2 212.8 232.2 265.5 273.9 207.6 252.0 256.3 284.3
Net DPS 154.0 155.0 100.8 170.0 245.4 216.0 310.0 248.4 250.1 254.0 256.5 265.0



10 years (1999 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM23.16
12 years (1997 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM26.25


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maxchua
post Sep 15 2009, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Sep 15 2009, 05:16 AM)
Bursa really need to get rid of this Par value difference and make all stocks standard RM0.10 par value.
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why?
plc255
post Sep 15 2009, 10:08 AM

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This looks like BAT's number.

Dear Kamen, if you can include the year high low, or year end closing price for BAT, would have been nice to those people looking at dividend and still thinking about dividend being deducted from the share price.


QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Sep 15 2009, 06:10 AM)
1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Turnover  1,964.0   1,947.0   2,036.0   2,772.0   3,010.0   3,073.0   3,199.0   3,236.7   3,564.2   3,612.5   3,830.0   4,135.0
Profit  483.0   629.0   380.0   506.0   607.7   662.9   758.2   782.1   592.8   719.7   731.0   811.0
EPS  169.0   220.0   133.0   177.2   212.8   232.2   265.5   273.9   207.6   252.0   256.3   284.3
Net DPS  154.0   155.0   100.8   170.0   245.4   216.0   310.0   248.4   250.1   254.0   256.5   265.0

10 years (1999 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM23.16
12 years (1997 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM26.25
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Added on September 15, 2009, 12:29 pmA very good example is nestle today.
Dividend went ex today. So, in theory you should have nestle =RM33.92 (closing yesterday) - 0.50 (dividend) = RM33.42

However, Nestle actually trade around RM33.80 now. So, the price is actually +0.38, after ex.
Bring this back to your remisier, and see what kind of knowledge he can feed you..


QUOTE(leiwulong90 @ Sep 14 2009, 11:05 AM)
My remisier told me that the stock price of a company on the ex-date (ex dividend date) will be adjusted accordingly based on the dividend given out. So if the dividend is RM0.07 and the stock price BEFORE the ex-date is RM0.80, then the stock price (opening price presumably) on ex-date will be RM0.73.
Any advice is most appreciated. Thanks.
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This post has been edited by plc255: Sep 15 2009, 12:29 PM
DanielW
post Sep 16 2009, 01:07 AM

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Not all remisier or stock broker can be trusted. Sometimes their advise can make you broke. That's why they are called 'broker'.

 

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