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Andrewtst
post Dec 16 2020, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 16 2020, 03:40 PM)
Because onboard audio sucks. Anyone who says their onboard audio is good clearly haven't tried any Creative sound card before laugh.gif

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After I try back Sound Blaster, now I also won’t said on board sound nice unless it came with DAC.
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post Dec 16 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 16 2020, 08:02 PM)
I've started from Sound Blaster Live! Plus, then X-Fi Fatal1ty PCI-e, then Recon3D PCI-e then this card

I tried testing a few onboard audio, all of them sucks
Except for those motherboards that comes together with onboard Creative chip built-in like my previous Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming G1
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I start from Sound Blaster 16, Sound Blaster 32, Sound Blaster AWE64, Sound Blaster Live!, Sound Blaster Audigy, then I stop until now Sound Blaster AE-9.

The reason stop as I change to laptop later. Now I am back to PC. Haha! In between still got one PC but didn’t change card after my Sound Blaster Audigy dead.

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post Dec 16 2020, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 16 2020, 10:23 PM)
I just finished removing the Recon3D card replacing it with the AE-5 then doing a clean install of my Windows 10
Hot damn, it's 10 times better than the Recon3D. Can immediately hear the differences especially when watching movies & listening to music

Regret I didn't upgrade sooner. Where did you buy your card bro? I bought directly from Creative store, much cheaper than buying from Shopee / Lazada
Also, what speaker are you using with your card? I'm using Edifier S730
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I also bought from Creative Store, Agreed Creative Store is the best place to get Sound Blaster.

I am using Logitech Z625 2.1 THX Speaker only and also for Sony MDR-Z1R headphones. That is the main reason I pick AE-9 for easier connect my headphones with greatest possible sound quality without spending too much on the DAC.

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post Dec 17 2020, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 16 2020, 11:59 PM)
God damn, that's a very expensive machinery you got there laugh.gif
Not really into headphones, that's why I spend more on speakers
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Haha ya, after I listen at shop I can't forget about it and keep thinking on it. Thus I decide I need to own it. The sound output was very transparent space and clear. I not sure how to correctly describe by word. In short summary it just simply awesome. This is also the 1st time I buying such crazy price headphones. Previously I never buy any headphones over RM 1.7k before.

QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Dec 17 2020, 12:12 AM)
You can definitely tell the difference of the onboard and AE-9 with that headphone. For people with budget gaming headset, better upgrade their cans first before getting a DAC, because I find those on board Realtek ALC1220 quite good already.
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Yup, headphones was huge differences. Actually that speaker also can heard the differences as well.

Actually on board not bad but once you listen how the AE-9 sound, you will totally forget about the on board one.

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post Dec 19 2020, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 18 2020, 07:39 AM)
ALC1220 is a good chip. It can even produce better dynamic range and THD than some external DAC with low quality chip.

Sometimes people find their on board sound not good is actually because of noise and interference due to grounding or other hardware.
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I never feel on board sound bad, even now. Off course my current sound card do give better, no any pitching issue and clean sound output.
The only issue I face is my current on board sound do give me some crash issue, a very rare crash where it crash once my PC on the way enter to monitor sleep mode when I playback some song in the background using Tidal or iTunes.

I not sure why and lazy to investigate already since I am using Sound Blaster AE-9 now and disable the on board sound.
AE-9 didn't give me such rare crash issue.

For high impedance device wise will make a drastic differences compare with DAC sound card v/s on board sound without DAC.

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post Dec 19 2020, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 19 2020, 02:48 PM)
Maybe software or hardware issue but since you already use other hardware for it no point to check the cause.

Lucky me my 300 ohm headphone no difference whether listen from external DAC or mobo DAC or even from my handphone.
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Your mobo got DAC, mine don't have. Haha!

Ya true and not plan to check the cause anymore.
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post Dec 19 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 19 2020, 03:58 PM)
Your mobo on board sound card is the DAC bro
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I am using X570 AORUS Elite WIFI MB, this only came with ALC1200 Audio Codec. Not intergrade with ESS 9218/9118 SABRE DAC like X570 AORUS XTREME or X570 AORUS MASTER.

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post Dec 19 2020, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 19 2020, 06:18 PM)
ACL1200 is the DAC chip.
DAC = Digital-to-Analog Converter
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To me ACL1200 is normal audio codec chipset, not even got any website label it as DAC.
I know what is DAC, haha! but no one will ever call the ACL1200 is a DAC.

Ok, I change it to audiophile level DAC. Haha!


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post Dec 20 2020, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 20 2020, 01:01 PM)
all equipment that convert digital input (pc,cd etc) to speaker called DAC.. just got a different level of DAC

personally was using SB back when on-board audio sucks big time ; but nowadays still using the on-board..  and when needed just use straight the Sony WH-1000XM3 .. coz not really using PC for listening music..
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That why I change my term to Audiophile level DAC. Haha!
With Direct Mode, it make big differences compare with on board. I need the Audiophile level DAC because on board sound cannot make great output for my Sony MDR-Z1R.
I not said on board sound bad just Sound Blaster ESS SABRE-class 9038 DAC is another level.
I also using on board sound for very long time. My last Sound Blaster was Audigy, then I no longer buy any sound card until recently.

I depends on usage & mood. smile.gif
  • Daily gaming use Logitech Z625 2.1 THX Speaker connected to Sound Blaster AE-9.
  • Night gaming use Logitech G733 Lightspeed wireless headphones.
  • Watching movie use LG SK9Y 5.1.2 channel Dolby Atmos, Hi-Res Audio SoundBar connected to TV.
  • Listen music at PC, use Sony MDR-Z1R wired headphones connected to Sound Blaster AE-9.
  • Listen music at mobile, use Sony WH-1000XM4 wireless headphones.
  • if outside/working then I use Apple AirPods Pro TWS.


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post Dec 21 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 08:23 AM)
ACL is a codec doh.gif same thing as those old school VIA codecs. it still needs a DAC to work.

each mobo audio consists of a codec, a dac and an adc. generally they suckballs unless for example gigabyte x570 that uses an ess sabre. However the realtek ACL still makes the output sucksballs even with a sabre mainly blaming on the software side.
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So I am correct ACL is just a sound coded not DAC. Thanks for clarified the information.

Only the highest end X570 came with ESS Sabre.

That bad? Anyway I am back to sound card, the Direct Mode implementation is freaking awesome and is the one I want, I don’t like need to use equalizer and I dislike Sound Effects.

Direct Mode in Sound Blaster just simple purest. Love it totally.

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post Dec 21 2020, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 10:10 AM)
External dac also need to have usb codecs to run.. However youre not entirely wrong either about certain ALC chips because their lower end will have an integrated dac but they are usually terrible.

Theyre generaly the controllers that prepare the digital signal from the source to be processed by the DAC chips.
It can actually be quite confusing from even back in the days with alot of debates because some codecs comes with a simple dac while some doesnt. Some comes as a pcb with multiple components while some is fully integrated. Some even have an integrated amp which most ALC does.

So yeah.... i rather just call them a controller/processor instead. For example the soundblaster you using has something called the Xfi processor chip that acts the same way as the realtek.
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Ya very confusing, and Sound Blaster no longer call their audio processor as Xfi processor anymore. Now it is call Sound Core3D.

Anyway I get that because beside they use Sabre DAC, another reason is they came with Xamp Discrete Headphone Bi-Amp.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 08:28 PM)
not all ALC has integrated DAC and probably using a separate one could be better. And hiding the chip info has always been common practice. Even on rams they sometimes remove the IC’s code so need typhoon burner to find out what it is.

Sabre dac is just a dac it cant communicate with windows, so that’s what the ALC is used for, thus the ALC is more like a controller as i’ve mentioned... The DAC the Realtek ALC are all different chips that makes up a circuit.

maybe ALC is easier to implement on the mobo as theyve been doing it for so long. So just pass the DAC task to the sabre for “better” sound.
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Ya I check the information from MB manufacture, only the highest end MB integrate with additional Sabre DAC with ALC.

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post Dec 21 2020, 08:36 PM

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Ok let show something I buy today, tongue.gif finally both my system is one set from same brand.

PC - Logitech mouse and keyboard
Laptop - Corsair mouse and keyboard. Haha!

Corsair Dark Core RGB Pro SE

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post Dec 21 2020, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 08:43 PM)
That’s technically what most audiophiles look at.. the controller, the dac, the amp to be all discrete and somewhat soldered isolated from each other.
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Previously I never look at that, but now I am looking at it as I know the differences already. smile.gif
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post Dec 21 2020, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 08:57 PM)
they are very clearly separated on the pcb. you can see each of the chips. Audio circuits are very simple. If you wanna make the effort, you can even make your own DAC like someone did and sold in this forum. pretty affordable sabre equiped usb thumbdrive DACs
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Make my own, haha! I don't think I will manage to do that. I am very bad in soldering.
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post Dec 21 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 21 2020, 08:43 PM)
That’s technically what most audiophiles look at.. the controller, the dac, the amp to be all discrete and somewhat soldered isolated from each other.
my latest purchase. no good DAC on this laugh.gif so i disabled the audio in the bios entirely.

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I also disable my on board sound now.

Then what sound card you are using for the moment? or you use USB DAC?
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post Jan 3 2021, 01:06 AM

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Finally decide buying a proper GPU Card Holder - Cooler Master ELV8 - Graphics Card Holder with Addressable RGB.

To using this, I need to change my Sound Blaster to 2nd slot and removed the cover as the MB connection is blocking it. Faint...

Done setup. smile.gif
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The Box.
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Removing the cover from my sound card, else can't fit. Lucky this cover is removable.
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post Jan 5 2021, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 4 2021, 12:41 PM)
But the cover is meant for EMI shielding  hmm.gif
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I hope it should be ok.

So far I don't find any issue or noise issue.

No choice the bottom is totally blocked, unless I cut the hole at bottom but it is not easier. Haha!

Maybe it is for cosmetic only as it is not full cover.

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Without the case

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Added additional Casing Fans. Now it is fully completed. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(ThE-1cY @ Jan 6 2021, 09:14 PM)
Just wondering, the mobo I'm planning to use is Asus TUF B550M PLUS WIFI and this mobo only has one 3 pin ARGB Header.

Are you using some kind of 3 pin ARGB splitter to connect all the ARGB case fans, AIO and the GPU support bracket?
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Ya, correct, I am using 3 pin ARGB splitter to 5 as my MB only have two unit of 3 pin ARGB which is not enough also.

The cons of splitter is all device connected to the splitter will have same ARGB pattern.

I am using this - https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cooler...splitter-cable/

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post Jan 15 2021, 10:40 PM

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Just received two purchase items. biggrin.gif
  • Lian Li LANCOOL II - Side Diffused LED Strip
  • Lian Li LANCOOL II - USB-C Connector
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