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post Sep 12 2009, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ultima @ Sep 11 2009, 02:25 PM)
Previous thread's:

◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙
◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙ V2
◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙ V3
◙The New PROTON PERSONA◙ V4
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post Oct 11 2009, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ryuluvlia @ Oct 10 2009, 05:55 PM)
hi guys

Can u guys tell me where proton SC that allow us to bring our own engine oil??
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Depends on where you are from. If you are in the Klang valley, Jln 227 PJ is OK with it. But please insist on your own lube. when making appointment. Proton SC will always try to push their Petronas by exploiting gullible car owners. Know your rights and they will back down. You can always check with the SC when making appointment before sending in you car. All service consumables & spares are always very much cheaper when purchased from reputable spare part stockists.
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post Oct 14 2009, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(d1stant @ Oct 14 2009, 02:37 PM)
i wonder if anyone have the solution to some of the common persona prob such as -

metal clunking sound when turning on uneven ground

rattling sound in the air con

ignition key hole light? is it there?
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1) Are your rear seat the split/foldable type? If they are, the sound is most likely caused by the locking mechanism (specifically the striker) of the foldable rear seat back. The seat lock striker is similar to the door lock striker found at the centre pillar & rear quarter panel of all 4 door saloon cars which hooks on the door lock when you close the doors. You just need to use a bit of electrical tape( those for insulating wires) to insulate the seat back striker & the sound will be eliminated. That's what I did on my Persona. First, I thought the sound was from the suspension but no it is cause by the locking mechanism of the rear seat back when the car moves & vibrate. Remember not to use too much tape or else you won't be ale to fold the rear seat back to its original position. If your rear seats are not the type stated above. My guess is as good as yours.

2) Does the sound from the air-con occur all the the time or only when you turn on the a/c & gone later. Is it some sort of a hissing sound. If it is, it is the normal sound emanating from the expansion valve. I suggest you increase the volumn of the radio & enjoy the coolness i.e if the a/c is still cold. My month old Persona can be excruciatingly cold even at the almost lowest temperature.


3)Have not explore the possibility of lighting up the ignition key hole light yet. Not really a priority.

Lastly, please don't expect too much from a 50K plus car. Even a 78K E-spec (lowest) VIOS has it fair share of problems. To me, IMO, as an average Joe, any car below 70K is a cheap car. And the Persona as a whole offers cheap solutions.
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post Oct 20 2009, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(ralf @ Oct 20 2009, 12:15 AM)
charcoal canister, every campro has it..the function is like when engine is stop, waste petrol go into this.
correct me if i'm wrong smile.gif
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It's an automotive filter in which activated carbon has been placed so that gas tank fuel vapors, which have accumulated when the vehicle is not running, are trapped in the filter.

•When the engine is running, hot air is forced into the filter and push out the vapors into the engine.
•In this way, pollution is reduced and conservation of the fuel is maintained.
•Also called activated charcoal trap or charcoal canister.
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post Oct 26 2009, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(ipohmali70 @ Oct 25 2009, 05:19 PM)
Oh yes I forgot the 'kok" sound coming from the lower arm, whenever one drives over a bump.

Update:
 
1 Rattling aircon
2 Famous Persona clunking sound
3 Squeaks at the back
4 misaligned meter cluster
5 "kok" sound from lower arm

Added on October 25, 2009, 5:20 pm
Yes but more like a buzzing sound.  I am not sure if it comes from the aircon or not.  It seems to come from the glove box (which is empty) but I could be wrong.

Added on October 25, 2009, 5:21 pm
It'll take me some time too as I need to drive my car up the service ramps that can be found on older gas stations.
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I sympathise with all of you Persona owners with the abovementioned problems. I am driving a 1 1/2 mth. old M-Line Auto & the only noisy problem or any problem I encountered so far are the rattling sound created by the rear foldable seat(which I have solved with the electrical tape). I do not know the % of Persona owners like me whom I consider lucky . In fact , before I bought my car, I was already well aware of all the problems that comes with it thru this thread. For any potential Persona buyers, my advise is that if you cannot bear with all the above mentioned problems, by all means, buy another car. So far ,I find mine satisfactory.
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post Nov 3 2009, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(dbtel74 @ Nov 3 2009, 05:18 PM)
No need to pray..just accept the fact that the quality sucks.
Bear in mind, you pay PEANUTS, you get MONKEYS, alot of them too....

Already get used to the followings:
1. The front metal clunking sound when turning on uneven ground, be it left or right.
2. The rattling sound at the air-cond blower.
3. The non-functioning ignition keyhole light.
4. The non-functioning seatbelt warning indicator.
5. Town-driving fuel consumption sucks, less than 300km full tank at RM63 Ron95.
6. Bad radio reception.
7. Except for the foglight button that turns to green, the rest of the buttons "seems" flawed for Shit Edition (SE).
8. Irresponsible, non-trained, scamming Proton SCs and their mechanics.

Still waiting for the followings to occur:
1. Haywired steering wheel radio buttons.
2. and more....

Else, go for the new Toyota Vios 1.5J (AT) lowest specs priced at RM74,000, or the new Honda City Grade S (AT) lowest specs priced at RM85,000.
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Well,I suppose many Persona owners are just as unhappy as you. But what can beggars do.They can't be choosy. If I have the $, I would have opted for something less problematic (please bear in mind there is no such thing as the "perfect ride"). Furthermore, if I know the problems existed thru' this thread and still buy this ride, I would be a greater sucker than this ride that sucks.

Anyway, I hope anyone who gives feedback could indicate exactly the the age of their rides. At least, for those without those problems can be fore-warned.

The reason I participate in this forum is first & foremost to know more about my ride & solving the problems that come with it. But like I have mentioned before, I knew the above mentioned existed but still I bought it. Reason is it is the only ride I like & that can suit my budget. At least you grasp the most fundamental point that you only get what you pay

Cheers. (try not to make this thread so repetitive & depressing)


P.S. Wonder if that Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin Syed Mohamed Tahir guy reads all this? Who is willing to be the first disgruntled Persona to bash their ride in front of this guy in protest? Anyone?
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post Nov 4 2009, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(ryugan @ Nov 4 2009, 12:18 AM)
last saturday, me and my GF, decided to go to Honda showroom, wanna test drive City, bcoz i wanna change the car. tongue.gif
with bigger luggage , bout 500liter space, one thing disappoint me, the cabin space, my shoulder almost touch with side driver, felt like driving kelisa.

so far, i use persona, i'm very happy with this car performance for long distance/highway road.for city driving, better not using this car.cornering superb and stable, tried at bukit putus/muadzam/mersing road.

nvm, after 5 year, i'll change the another car. nod.gif
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At last, some positive feedback from a fellow forumer. I presume your ride is less than 2 yrs. old. Maybe probs has not crop-up. Other than the pressed metal body parts of the Person A (which I feels is very sturdy, in fact more sturdy than some Korean & Japanese makes) I can't say so for the trim & electrical components. Then again, what do you expect from a 50K plus ride.

Please remember, the Person A is the sum of all component supplied by a majority of local content/components suppliers & assembled by Proton. If it's anything crappy, it is crappy suppliers. I have a QC friend in Perodua, & he says that because the demand for a certain hatchback is so great & the no.of vehicles pump out is so huge, there is no way they can physically check all the rides. Same with Proton, if you are lucky you get good ones otherwise that's your luck.

I feel that Proton has improved considerably since the Wira & Iswara days (Wira rusting roof, Iswara rusting doors & huge fitment gaps of body parts - have you notice owners taping the rusted holes on their rides? Pathetic! Smell of corruption within Proton those days(paying for poor quality components at high prices) Hope they have finally shaped up since that Datuk Syed Zainal guy took over. Otherwise, we will have MACC to check them.

PERSON A. CHEAP & GOOD, NO WAY! PROTON - Always difficult to strike a balance between pricing & quality.

Personarians. Be more tolerant/forgiving. Otherwise.............................
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post Nov 8 2009, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Xefron @ Nov 8 2009, 12:19 AM)
I have been using my Persona for the last 10 days,so far:

1)There's no sound occurred when doing u-turn left or right (mind you that i need to do a u-turn every day when going to office)

2)The famous sound at the back seat,already solved by using PVC tape.

3)The air con is damn cold.I set it at 25 degree celcius with fan speed at 1 click right after u turn it on.So far there's no annoying rattling sound occurred only you can hear the radiator fan kick in sometime.

4)There's rattling sound on the dashboard.Not so obvious when the air cond is on but when u turn it off u can hear it especially on non smooth road.

5)The only major problem is the windshield water injector is not working.

6)Fuel consumption on 100% city driving around RM0.15-RM0.16 per KM.

7)Radio reception and controls are good.

8)The reverse beep is audible ,just nice.

9)Some tips for new Persona owner,check your tire pressure when you received your car.Mine is at 40 PSI when i received it which is not good for driving in KL especially with all the potholes.You absorber can take it but not your interior especially anything inside the dashboard.

10) I spray all the joints and bushing with silicone spray as prevention for any unwanted noise and have been using old  Iswara for the past 7 years and already known the famous part that producing any kreokk...or nyet nyet sound.

11)The turning radius is not favor to my taste.

p/s:I think my expectation for this car NVH is too high.Almost off the time i am not realized that I am driving a Proton not a Mercedes S Class.
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Have been using my ride for the past 2 mths. Mine is M-Line Auto. What is yours? Fuel consumption for me, is bearable so I don't bother to monitor. I used to drive an old '88 carbureted steel rimed (175 tires)Nissan Sentra 1.5 Auto & the FC is just about so. So no complaints about FC of new 1.6 engine ride with 195 tires & very much heavier body.

Glad to hear you have minimal problems. In fact, very much reminds me of mine. I have so far encountered your problems 2) & 5) only-which is solved.

As for 9) Proton's recommendation Is 210kg(31psi) front & 190kg(28psi) rear when tires are COLD. I think most of you would check your tire pressure at the petrol station. So after driving vehicle for about 5km-10Km or so, tires would have heated up & the hot air in the tires would have increase the pressure by at least 4 pounds. I have always measured the tire pressure of my car with my own gauge when tires are hot. Funny for Proton to recommend COLD reading.

So, I think 35 psi (front) & 32 psi (rear) would be OK/ideal if vehicle has been running for some time. Anything higher would make ride bumpy & will cause unnecessary vibrations in the car which may in turn be bad for some components in the car. But by looking at the hot tires, 35psi(frt) & 32psi(rr) seems under deflated. If you want to sacrifice comfort for better fuel consumption, by all means, inflate tires a bit more but not more than 40psi which I think that's why Proton inflate tires of new vehicles with this pressure.
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post Nov 8 2009, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(Xefron @ Nov 8 2009, 02:17 PM)
my office building is build with multi-storey carpark ramp,so far there's no sound with air-cond off.I have been using this one for spraying all the joints.Yo can buy it at Mydin,Carrefour,Giants.They should have this.

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for me i will just stick to 30-32 PSI.
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Don't trust pressure reading at pump. Very often not accurate. Get yourself a good quality tire pressure gauge. Pump air then check & +- accordingy.
Remember tire pressure of hot & cold tires are quite different. So the key is when you check them (i.e before or after driving for some time)

P.S. I use waxco lube on my door window glasses.
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post Nov 8 2009, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(loong2020 @ Nov 8 2009, 11:01 AM)
persona NVH is much much better than waja,wira,gen2.....and it can be comparable to some japanese makes....overall its quiet car....
speeding at 140km in persona is still allright where you can still listen to ur music and talk 2 ur friends without increasing voice compare to waja/wira or some other cars at the same speed...
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Not advisable to travel so fast in a B or M-Line. Brakes do not respond quick enough. Anybody with H or SE-Line care to comment on their brake system?
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post Nov 8 2009, 11:04 PM

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My M-Line (A) Handbrake lever curves towards the driver seat.Not straight like most cars.Most noticeable when released/lowered. The front brake pads seems to wear off pretty fast & dirtying the rims. Black powder on rims quite difficult to scrub off. Are these normal conditions.
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post Nov 10 2009, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(ipohmali70 @ Nov 9 2009, 09:27 PM)
Went to SC this afternoon to fix 4 problems under warranty.  I get the car only tomorrow.

Also someone has been asking whether the keyhole light can be made to illuminate.  I asked SC and I can confirm that it cannot be made to illuminate.

Added on November 9, 2009, 9:43 pm
Item 1 - Poor design

Items 2 n 3 - Poor quality control. 

Y'know those multicolor stickers they put all over the dashboard and th ecar frame.  I wonder if they just put it on "one eye closed" style OR if they really really check for defects before putting on the stickers?
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Except for the panel body parts, the colour stickers are stuck on by the vendors/suppliers of individual components. Remember, Proton=Sum of all crappy vendors or else get MACC to check Proton purchaser.

As for the QC issue, I feel that it is not easy for Proton to check over 5,000 units of Personas a mth. individually. What about other models, Saga BLM, Exora? These models are selling like hot cakes also. Anyone who is afraid of quality issues of any hot selling vehicle should maybe opt for less desirable ones eg. China's Chery Alado A160, QQ, Eastar or Kia Spectra 5, Naza Sutera. These models are even more a risk.

Oh, FYI, check this link :-

http://www.nccc.org.my/v2/index.php/aduan-...-proton-persona

Added on November 10, 2009, 7:51 amFor new car owners who has got rid of their old ones but still has NCD in their (old car policy), do the sales people of your new car claim back this discount for you or do you DIY?

This post has been edited by rckh: Nov 10 2009, 07:51 AM
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post Nov 11 2009, 12:30 AM

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Getting very confused with tire pressure thing. Do you guys feel that Proton's recommendation of 210kpa/31psi (for front) & 190kpa/28ps (for rear) makes your ride sluggish especially going up slopes. The tires looks under inflated with this pressure. This car is really heavy, you can feel the extra weight on the doors due to the safety bars & thick trimboard inside. The bonnet is huge & the boot lid feels heavy. How is the car going to roll smoothly if the tires are under inflated?

The pressure was very much higher when I got the car, but ever since someone here alerted me of the over inflation, I measured the pressure & reduced it to proton spec. Somehow, the feel of the ride is gone with the lower pressure. In fact I feel it is more bumpy with 31psi(frt) & 28psi(rr) Pick up is also bad.

Anybody out there share my experience or is it a psychological thing.
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post Nov 11 2009, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Nov 11 2009, 01:07 AM)
suggest you to put this pressure
front 210(31psi)
rear 240(33psi)
that's what i put
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Thanks for the advice. No thanks to Proton, say 1 thing but do another.

Added on November 11, 2009, 9:39 pm
QUOTE(Xefron @ Nov 11 2009, 09:04 AM)
if you put as the Proton recommendation,i feel the ride is more comfort and silent.but don't worry too much as if it around 30-33 PSI should be fine but 40 PSI,way too much.
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Thanks for the advice. So many of you with this recommendation can't be wrong. I can only presume Proton or their suppliers purposely over inflate the tires of the new vehicles to prevent them from deforming due to prolonged storage. I understand the tires of vehicles that are stationery for long periods of time will go out of shape.

This post has been edited by rckh: Nov 11 2009, 09:39 PM
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post Dec 1 2009, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Molotov Cocktail @ Dec 1 2009, 01:02 PM)
hi all persona owner especially the iafm, how to dismantle the engine cover? i couldnt open it, tried with normal screwdriver, i want to see if there are hoses rubbing each other
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I used an extended fixed nut socket (No.8) to remove the 4 screws.Tool is similar to a screwdriver except that the tip has fixed socket that fits the head of the screw well to remove & refit evenly. The screws during 1st. removal can be quite tight. Engine breather hose of IAFM engine definitetly in contact with electrical socket. I have insulated the hose as recommended by fellow Persona owner in this thread. Careful not to over tighten the screws or you might crack the cover. Actually a very simple DIY job.
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post Dec 27 2009, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(ipohmali70 @ Dec 26 2009, 12:26 PM)
You should've read this first:

http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=89017

Added on December 26, 2009, 12:44 pmAnyone have their Persona's IAFM replaced?

I am taking my car off the SC services and will continue to service outside. 

By this I expect to lose the warranty but will save a WHOLE LOT of money and precious TIME for each service besides not risk getting conned by SC.  (I was charged RM115 for labour for my last 20k service while outside: only RM40.00).

Any idea how much does it cost for the whole IAFM thingamajic to be replaced outside of warranty?  I am waiting for it to konk out soon.
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If it is the part shown in the earlier thread, the item is called the IAFM Vacuum Actuator & the Proton Retail price is RM205.92. FYI & EBI, I have parts data access (catalogs & latest prices) to nearly all the popular passenger vehicles on our roads. Hopefully, my car which is an M-Line Auto, age 3mths/4000+KM do not require a replacement. I suspect it is a manufacturing defect which the supplier (Bosch) has addressed. So far, I have not encountered any serious noise problems (xcept the rr. folding seat) mentioned in this thread. Personally, I am more worried my car get vandalized or worst,stolen. Helluva troublesome!
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post Dec 31 2009, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(NSX_MY @ Dec 31 2009, 11:31 AM)
i would say just stick back to drum, just change to better brake pad will probably help out a lot smile.gif

b-line? want my stock MP3 player and 2 speakers?  rolleyes.gif
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Has anyone out there tried using Delphi front disc pad? I used Delphi 10W 40 Semi Synthetic for 1st. service. Pretty slick driving & easy cold start. Car is almost 4mths. old & front disc pads are more than 1/2 worn-out.
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post Jan 16 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Oxigen @ Jan 16 2010, 10:50 AM)
feedback needed
my mate got a Persona March 2009 - he decided to give a the spare key for emergency purposes and also plans to make another one for his keep (hence making total 3 keys)
I have referred the matter to Captor for making the 3rd key, however Captor advise they no longer cover alarm & security for Persona model
Can anyone confirm how I can proceed on this -as I was advise that the Persona key have immobaliser (I think) on the circuit key? - correct me if I am wrong though...
recommendations are indeed welcomed.....

in addition, he met with an accident and was charged with the bill as below - please advise if the workshop ripped him off. 

front jumper                                  - RM120
front head lamp                              - RM350
Denso New radiator                        - RM650
Kayaba Front Right absorber            - RM165.00
tie rod end right side                      - RM28.00
1 set front right hand knuckle arm    - RM650.0
1 set right hand wheel bearing        - RM90.00
grille                                              - RM55

-cheers-

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Everything is cheap except Frt. RH Knuckle arm. Proton Retail price is RM255. What is front jumper (item one)? Is it Front bumper?
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QUOTE(Exora7118 @ Jan 16 2010, 02:26 AM)
My modification  brows.gif  brows.gif

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Dimming system~



Dimming Room Lamp + Room leg


Who say, only 2010 batch- Highline got this dimming feature like exora~!! lolzzz
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Where did u do the modifications? May I ask the total cost also? Thanks
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post Jan 26 2010, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(penpal_my @ Jan 26 2010, 03:58 PM)
look like proton never care about their QC on persona...i thought persona dont has any problem anymore compare to waja since proton promise to deliver a good quality start from persona model. SA at proton said persona had common problem on the brake. but i dont know bcoz i dont have persona.i really hope SC at proton also give a good service for every defects car.
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Every coin has two sides. Don't just think that the Persona is a poor quality car by reading all the negative remarks in this thread. There are also many owners (like me) who are keeping quiet because there is really nothing serious to complain about. Please remember a higher end Japanese or Korean locally assembled model is not trouble free. In my honest opinion, I feel the Persona is value for the $ I paid for after all if I had the $, I would have bought a more expensive car.
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