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post Sep 12 2013, 08:42 PM

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post Aug 26 2020, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Aug 26 2020, 03:58 PM)
well, most LYN users are from KL area, and KL people average income easily 30% higher than 2nd level states such as Penang, Johor etc.. not to say the other states with lower average income.
KL alone has more than 4% people have $100k net worth
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this 4% is refering to the population of KL or the "working adults" In Malaysia?

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post Aug 26 2020, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Aug 26 2020, 04:19 PM)
hmm... I mean the working adults.. KL is the highest income states... for sure the % is higher than the country average %
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i was just pondering your post with the article in post 1280

The 2019 report found that 0.2% or 43,646 adults living in Malaysia were placed in the over US$1 million wealth band, while the majo-rity of the adult population (96.1% or 20.97 million people) were categorised as having wealth at or below US$100,000.

This comprised 42.7% of adult Malaysians with wealth between US$10,000 and US$100,000, and 53.4% with wealth under US$10,000.

The remainder 3.7% was placed in the US$100,000 to US$1 million wealth band.
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post Aug 26 2020, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Aug 26 2020, 05:15 PM)
I believe those property bought before year 2000 high likely paid out.  During 80' - 90', home loan period is matured at age 55.
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from that, as now 2020 many still have outstanding loan thus not classified as net worth?

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post Aug 26 2020, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Aug 26 2020, 06:38 PM)
I means most of the KL/Subang/KL landed property are more than 20 years now hence I believe those 1st owner should be no more outstanding mortgage unless refinance.  I do have 2 property bought before 1997and finished pay out before age 55.
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ok,
then they could be/are in the 3.7% band then
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post Dec 28 2020, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(CQT @ Dec 28 2020, 09:36 AM)
Age : 27

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I am a normal worker with monthly salary 3.6k. Started to invest when I start working in 2018 after graduate. Hopefully is not too late.

Planning to clear my car loan debt as soon as possible. (Bought is 2019)

Hopefully my path is correct eventhough slow to achieve my first RM100k. My final target is RM1mil when i retired. Bless me.

Do you guys feel it is a slow progress at age 27? currently i own no house and stay renting at Selangor.

Cheers guys.
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try not to pay off your car loan....early settlement of your car loan may not save you much...you that money to do some investment.

1 million target at retirement?
assuming your retirement age is 57, you have 30 yrs to go....
assuming you have 30k in epf now
assuming your pay is STAGNANT at 4k per month and your total EPF contribution 20% (800pm) is also stagnant and EPF dividend rate is also stagnant at 6%pa
an online retirement calculator shows 1 million at retirement is still achievable...at about RM980k

try play with the number to see how it goes
https://www.calculator.com.my/savings-calcu...or#.X-k4bZPiuUk

hmm.gif just that the buying power of that 1 million is not the same as of now,....especially looking at the trend of MYR
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post Dec 28 2020, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(CQT @ Dec 28 2020, 10:49 AM)
Ya. you are true. RM1 mil in next 30 years won't be same but why people still striving to that goal which I really not understand like FI 1 mil,2 mil and etc. May you enlighten me on this issues? I know we should plan for future like I think having the 1 mil feel like security compare to nothing at all eventhough we know the money shrinks with time pass. so i really dont get it sometimes and having a dilemma on whether what I plan or sacrificed early on will be worthwhile in the older time? hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Moderation is the key to life...
Have a moderate expectation to what you can hv with Yr current capabilities n availabilities.
Have a moderation to a holistic financial plans that may include a moderation of what can can spend, saved, invested, income protection n mitigation& etc, etc
Target set and achieved may not be the final goals, as you may hv a 3 millions goal achieved at retirement but by that time your expenses required during your retirement period may out spend what Yr 3 million can generate,.. Then in the end you may not hv any money left too

Of course it is always better to hv a plan, without a plan, you will not know where to go n how you plan to active Yr plan n plan of what resources are needed to achieve Yr plans.
But for many people, they are not in the capacity to hv a plan.

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post Dec 29 2020, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(applezhai @ Dec 29 2020, 07:33 PM)
Hi Sir, you seem quite experienced in managing finance, so I had a question to ask here which I have been pondering for a long time.

Just a little about my finance background
Asset
House 300k
Retirement funds (EPF,PRS etc) 81k
Investments (mostly US stocks) 82k
Cash 20k

Liabilities
Long Term Debt (aka mortgage) : 197k
Short Term Debt (Hire purchase & Personal Loan) 34k

What I wanted to ask was should I take part of investment and cash to pay off the short term loan and free up cashflow? Or do you think I should continue to invest the cash as what I have done since early this year, and continue with monthly payments. My portfollio grew quite significantly during this bullrun. But now I see an opportunity to clear off the consumer debt once and for all, and free up further cashflow to invest. What's your take on this, your opinion is highly appreciated  thumbup.gif
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What I wanted to ask was should I take part of investment and cash to pay off the short term loan and free up cashflow?
Do you have cashflow problem?

Or do you think I should continue to invest the cash as what I have done since early this year, and continue with monthly payments.
seems like you have no cashflow problem,.....then continue with the monthly payment....
pay off those loans only if the interest charged by those monthly repayment is > the returns you can generate from your investment.

My portfollio grew quite significantly during this bullrun. But now I see an opportunity to clear off the consumer debt once and for all, and free up further cashflow to invest.
is the consumer debt interest > the returns you can generate from your investment?

looks like the 34k personal loan is the 1st target....what is the interest charged pa?

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post Dec 29 2020, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(applezhai @ Dec 29 2020, 10:09 PM)
Breaking down my loan as follow
17.5k Personal Loan 6.7%
16.5k Hire Purchase 3.05%

Cashflow problem wise not really (assuming my job is secured which is probably the case in the near future), but I was thinking free-ing further cashflow to invest more, if that make any sense.

Plus clearing the debt put me at a much lower risk, if I am out of job or something.

My investment's return are always in fluctuation as they are stocks, this year I am up about 97% but who knows what will happen the very next day/month. So I was thinking locking in some profits and clear off the debts.

If I continue to invest as per your advice, I will probably continue to pay the monthly installments, and invest by Dollar Cost Average at the same time, while maintaining some levels of cash.

Talking about cash, how much cash do you think I should keep?
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clear the personal loan first as HP loan...not much untung even if you pay early...

having more cash flow "may" entice you to go 'spend" on something good to have or may encourage you to go into riskier investment

if you are out of work...you should have "emergency fund" to tie you over for some time and also you can unload your 82k + 20k as back up...

btw, do you have emergency fund stocked up?

how much cash do you need depends on your emergency fund and your credit card limits too

QUOTE(applezhai @ Dec 29 2020, 10:13 PM)
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How do you think "moderation" should work for my case? as in the ratio for Cash/Investments/Debt? I am still trying to find a balance, but always ended up investing most of my cash and sometimes strap for cash at the end of the month. sweat.gif  (in hindsight, can't say it was a bad thing to do, since my investment has done decent so far)
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moderation have to take into your income in relation to cash to spend "happily", saving ratio, any insurance plan to mitigate yr risk and protect your savings, time spend with family members etc etc....
not just Cash/Investment/debt.
if no debt is "best", but sometimes debts is good if used correctly at the right time too

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post Dec 29 2020, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(applezhai @ Dec 29 2020, 11:40 PM)
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How many months of living expenses do you think is adequate though if it is in cash?
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...... I hope it is not too late I only started investing in my late 20s.
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depends on your availability to have cash ready in time of need...
example....you need cash for car repairs like engine overhaul or you knocked on someone or TV spoilt needed replacement....
if your parents can lent you about RM5k ~10k...then you don't need to have large amount of cash ready or no need to off loading your investments

i would think, (for me, my case....10k cash at hand would make me feel secure + i hv credit card and cash less medical cards)

no it is not too late....but it depends on your final goal amount you wanted to have and at what time frame you need to achieve your financial goal too ....
thus too late or not....depended on your goal, time frame, the amount you can save for investment and the choice of investment you made.
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QUOTE(haha54231 @ Feb 12 2021, 11:51 PM)
Age: 20 this year
Student
15k in UT
4.5k in Stash
1k Cash

Think i did pretty well compared to other peers. Money not from parents,  i havent got allowance from them around 2 years.
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IF you have just $4,210 (RM17k) to your name, you’re still richer than half of the world’s residents.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/how-much-mo...-worldwide.html

thumbup.gif Thus your are not only pretty well compared to other peers, but 50% of the world's population....

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post Sep 17 2021, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Sep 17 2021, 10:03 AM)
Income: 4k/month

Stashaway - 32k
EPF - 23k
Cash on hand - 900

Ptptn - 37k
Car - 14k - Bezza
House - 433k - 3B condo (build finish in 2024)
Cc debt and other loans - 0

Monthly commitment (year 2024, fixed loan): RM2370/month

I think overall I'm doing ok for my age. Thank God.
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It is a good saving rate 👍👍
But the cash on hand is just too low, unless you got some other places to get somme extra money if and when needed
Do remember to cater for the renovation cost n the electrical things you need to buy for your condo in 3 yrs time.
Also hope you had inputed the monthly expenses required for the cond like maint fees, sinking fund, cukai tanah, cukai taksiran, condo insurance etc etc.
Hope you hv also take up some risk mitigation vehicle,... Like insurance.
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post Sep 17 2021, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Sep 17 2021, 12:31 PM)
Yes have insurance. Life + Medical + MLTA

But looking to upgrade my medical soon. Remove life, since MLTA can cover property. Or is it a bad idea idk...
Should I continue keep life? My thinking is if I die before I turn 60 my wife can use MLTA to reduce her burden, no need life insurance...and since MLTA is fixed lump sum and not reducing, she can get I think 400k
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What if after you had settled Yr loan?
No more life coverage,...
If hv surplus, then it is always good to hv some basic coverage for the benefits of dependents
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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Sep 17 2021, 12:37 PM)
Make sense...but life insurance also ends at 60, with renewable option. The renewable will be expensive after 60..
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It will be expensive bcos the chances of claim will be higher...
I think if you Start early should be cheaper premium
I also think not all life insurance ends at 60...with renewable...
I think there are those that covers longer than 60....
I could be wrong

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Sep 18 2021, 01:44 PM)
Age: 39
Occupation: Regional lead in Finance
Marital status: Married with 2 kids

Asset:
Cash in bank = 3k
Apple shares = 500k
Unit trust = 20k
PRS = 30k
StashAway = 300k
SSPN = 600k

Liabilities:
None. House and cars all fully paid. No debt.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif you are among the top x% of the population. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
among 164, 400 of the 21.82 million adults Malaysians

Adults are classified as individuals above the age of 18 years. In 2019, there were approximately 21.82 million adults in Malaysia.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/667521/...ts-in-malaysia/

In 2020, there were around 16.44 thousand millionaires living in Malaysia.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/785029/...f-millionaires/
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post Sep 27 2021, 01:32 AM

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Net worth is the value of all the non-financial and financial assets owned by an individual or institution minus the value of all its outstanding liabilities.[
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_worth
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post Oct 24 2021, 10:22 PM

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I will omit it (actual residence) when doing that,
But will include it & the possible sum from life insurances when I tell my spouse n children....

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QUOTE(Izzanobody @ Oct 24 2021, 10:34 PM)
Unker zero networth.
Unker oredi declare bankrupt 2 years ago.

Now oni have cash in hand RM411

Yesterday got buy toto but no strike.
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No $$ in epf??

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QUOTE(Izzanobody @ Oct 24 2021, 10:42 PM)
No wor. But is ok la. Unker no marry no kid oso and unker still healthy.
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Ok noted.
Good luck n hope your loved ones can support themselves without needing your help, or support you just in case you needed helps


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post Mar 16 2022, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(126126 @ Mar 16 2022, 10:05 AM)
Yumcha last weekend with my wealthiest friend:

Age: 40s. 1 family with schooling kids.
Active Income: RM60k+ P/mth

Assets:
Stocks - RM5.3m
EPF - RM3.1m
Cash/Equivalent - RM2m
Property - RM9m
ASN - RM2.5m
Other assets - 400k

Liabilities:
Loans - RM1.8m

Other income (p/mth)
Rental - 16k
ASN div - 8k (assume 4%)
EPF div - 14-15k (assume 5.5%)
Div from stocks - 9k

Expenses: 30k

Total Net worth: 20.5m
I consider this a large sum of FU money. Whilst its not an “obscene” amount of money, i do think this is good enough to live a fatfired lifestyle anywhere in the world, even in very high cost of living areas in the USA. would u continue to work if you have amassed this amount of wealth?
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Yes, a big yes. I would continue.
@60k pm or 2k per day.... I would be stupid not to. Unless that work is against my beliefs, my well being n health or impacted alot if my offwork life😊

Btw, is your friend still working now?

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