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michaellee
post Apr 10 2011, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(kokkeehouw @ Apr 9 2011, 08:03 PM)
Hi SilverfoX ,alexkos
Thanks for your advice ,agree with you to boost up on my liquid asset.Will also increase
my insurance coverage.
Wodenus,
My epf should be around 150k and my wife around 100k,can this be calculate into net worth as well ?

Hi xuzen,
IS it worth for me to convert my property investment into a company ?
Isnt that if i set up a Sdn Bhd will increase my expsenses ?
My worry is my passive income might not even cover a company basic exspenses like Audit fees, Sec fees etc
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Allow me to answer some of the above. EPF is part of your wealth, so why not? I believe you need MRTA more than life insurance, especially with your low cash holdings. I personally believe you need to be more discipline in the next few months to save more and to apportion some into FD as well.

No, you do not need to convert your properties into a Sdn Bhd. The costs involved is not worth the hassle. Plus the act has been changed recently that expenses for that unit can only be deducted against the rental for that unit unlike previous property investments companies. So no tax benefit. The only benefit would for succession but you are still young so no need to think too much about it.


Added on April 10, 2011, 1:06 am
QUOTE(kokkeehouw @ Apr 8 2011, 11:17 PM)
Ladies and Gentlemen,I find this thread is very GOOD.

I am new here 
Can someone please guide me on how i can optimise my investment as below.
I also want to learn if my existing financial status and net worth is healty, lousy, etc.

So I want to share my info and hope that can help me .Please add your comment/advice.
Sorry all the asset are belong to me and my wife (2 person)
Age: Me 35  Wife 34
Occupation: Sales
Marital Status: Married with 1+1 (on the way).

(Properties:)/ (Purchase Value)/(Current Value)/(Current Outstanding)/(Monthly Instalment/Year To Go)/(Current Rental)
(Condo A) / (200k) / (300k) / (187k)/( 1111/25) / (1260)
(Condo B) / (153k) / (200k ) / (123k) / (600) / (950)
(Condo C) / ( 70 k)/ (75k) / (Nil)/ (Nil)/ (500)
(Condo D) nod.gif (88k (In progress 1/2 shared with my mum)) / ( Nil) / (Nil) /(Nil)
                 
Own Staying House -
(Condo E)  (238k) (230k)  (198k)  (1000)                                          -

1st Car (Japanese car)-
Market Value: RM 60k Outstanding Loan RM 40k 4 years more
2nd Car (Kancil)-
Market Value: RM 10k -no outstanding 
Liability (ies):
Parents spents about 4k per annum (Medical)

Insurance:
Life: RM 5k whole family

Other Investment:
Wawasan : RM11k
Unit Trust : RM 10k
Oversea Land Banking : 32k
Palm Oil :25 k

Cash in hand
RM 5k

Please Help !!!!

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Without knowing your monthly cash flow, it is not easy to work out an ideal but let me give it a try.

Your Condo A installment seemed to be on the high side, you might want to consider asking the bank to reduce your interests (currently the market rate should be BLR -2.3 to -2.5. It is yielding around 5% without taking into account of your management fees and other outgoings, so the yield could be potentially lower. Personally for me, 5% yield is very low. Since you have quite a number of properties, I believe you do want to build up your passive income then you seriously need to reconsider your property investment strategies. An ideal yield should be around 8% or more.

Your Condo B seemed okay but again yield is on the low side.

Condo C, even if it is not fully paid up is yielding good at around 8% (sorry cannot be bothered using calculator.. hehehe)

D, cannot comment since no data.

Being in the sales line a big part of your salary would be commission base, so there are some risks but I am sure you know how to take care of yourself.

Overseas Land banking in my book does not work, so I personally would suggest moving the investment to other more profitable investments. Palm oil I believe would be country heights scheme? coz for RM25k, you cannot even buy 1 acre of palm oil land. It is okay to invest in this for diversification but i won't suggest you into putting more money into it. Wawasan is paying good interests, so it is handy to keep some. UT is something I do not favour as I would personally advise people to buy blue chip shares. You get more dividends and possible capital appreciation.

Info I need: who owns what? condo A, B... so that you can plan your property investment better for future. What is your net cash (income minus all expenses beside your rental income).

In summary from the info I can see, I believe your most important goal is to build up your cash.

This post has been edited by michaellee: Apr 10 2011, 01:06 AM
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post Apr 10 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(groggy @ Apr 10 2011, 09:17 AM)
Hi Michael,

When you say yield is low, how do you make it higher if it is already rented out at market rate? Do you recommend maybe fully furnish it to up the yields?

Thanks
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Yes, either you spend minimal to maximise the rental OR dispose and acquire others which are higher yielding. But in doing so, there are of course risks and added costs.


Added on April 10, 2011, 5:13 pm
QUOTE(kokkeehouw @ Apr 10 2011, 11:43 AM)
Hi michaellee
Thanks for a depth analysis on my current investment.
Just wonder ,how should i calculate the property yield / ROI of a prpoerty
For Example When i bought Condo A (200k) at that time is giving me 1,260 rental (nett =after deduct maintenace fees) which giving me 7.5% right?
Now 7 years later still giving me the same rental rate at 1,260 (market rate) ,however my property value have increase to 300k.If i base on
latest value it only give me about 5% from the rental value.So is that mean , i might consider to cash out and move into move higher yield
investment.

Is that impoartant to detrmine who own what ?
Here is the breakdown
Condo A -My self
Condo B - Joint Name
Condo C -My wife
Condo D -My Name
Condo E -Joint Name (own staying_

Land Banking -My Wife
Palm Oil -My Name

My nett cash is  about 1.5k to 2 per month.

Hi Groggy
Thanks your value advise .For sure will look into my cash flow (FD) for the next few month  sad.gif Ah need more Discipline
Hi kaiserwulf
Ya my company too give the sames epf contri for commision and +4% from employer.

Aganints Thanks to you all the for the valuable advise.
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Damm, the internet.. heheeh had a long reply for you but all gone.

Ok. ROI. I believe historical costs might not be the right way as it does not give a true picture. an extreme example would be a shoplot bought 30 years ago at RM100k now being rented out at RM12k a month. That means yield is 120% but if shoplot now costs RM3million, suddenly current yield is 5%.

There are ways of enhancing a property's value. You could either cash in and buy another place with better yield (can be risky too). Or you could redo the unit and then maximise the return.

knowing who owns what is quite important. For example, if you are planning to buy another property, perhaps your wife could transfer her 50% in either B or E to you, so that the next property if 100% under her name, she could still qualify for 90% LTV. If she transfer both B & E to you, then she could buy another 2 more under her name with 90% LTV.

One thing, you do need to get some cash at hand. Your net cash per month is quite good at 1.5k to 2k. Assuming it is 1.5k then you should have around RM18k a year. But holding RM5k now is kind of low. You need at least 6 months of total mortgage repayments at hand to ensure that you are prepared for adverse situations.


Added on April 10, 2011, 5:15 pm
QUOTE(qpalzm87 @ Apr 10 2011, 01:47 PM)
Age: 24
Occupation: Student (graduating in May '11)

Assets:
FD- 111k
Tabung Haji- 130k
Sukuk Simpanan Rakyat(gov bond)- 50k
Sukuk 1 Malaysia(gov bond)- 50k
Invest some in swiftlet farming- 10k

Liabilities:
Japanese car(market value 50k, fully paid)

Once I start to work, I plan to move my FD monies into tabung haji which distributes dividend around 4-5%. However, is that a wise thing to do?

Plan to dump the bonds into mutual funds once the bonds mature. Again, is that a wise thing to do?

Am planning to buy insurance/takaful(life & medical) but with soo many choices around, I've got no idea which to choose from.

Kindly advice and thank you in advanced
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I think your car is an asset as it has been fully paid up and it is a gift to you.

I presume all the monies listed are gifts to you?

Rather than moving FD to tabung haji, you can consider buying properties with some of the money for investment purposes. Your parents have not bought any insurance or medical for you? No point to overspend on insurance.

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post Apr 10 2011, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Apr 8 2011, 07:23 PM)
Worked for 2.5 years already. Just checked on my $$$ health:

Plain cash - 5.5k + 50 ringgit right nao in wallet tongue.gif
FD (emergency fund) - 20k+
Stocks - 53k + 35k(float)
EPF - 60k

Debt- PTPTN - 24k

*Sigh... house still dun have and car is pariah.

Please advise how to go on from here:i
-Apartment for own stay im looking at 400k + 100k (reno and all). Haven't start saving for it yet.
-Looking at 90k car, car right nao is pariah but usable.
-Have invest 5k in startup brick and mortar/online business. Hope this can grow big.
-Hope to grow stocks big big also.

If people willng to mentor me for for either of the 4 key points, I be glad to become mentee. Especially the last two points. laugh.gif
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For 2.5 years effort, it looks good especially on the EPF side.

Personally, I have not touch stocks and not planning too on any big way. But I believe if you play blue chips, it can be good investments. Not sure if you should go into speculative shares. Personally, I have been concentrating and putting all my eggs into properties and so far it has worked out well for me.

(1) I would not spend too much for my own stay, with the assumption you are not married. Depending on your salary bracket, I would say if you can find some low or middle cost apartment which normally brings quite good yield, easy to sell, get that as your first unit. Maybe not to stay but to start off your passive incomem adventure. Your proposal of 100k for renovation would wipe out all your FD and stock UNLESS you are planning to get it from "somewhere". RM400k house would mean repayment of RM2k (quite high).

(2) Again, unless someone is funding your car purchase, avoid getting an expensive car. A cheapo Malaysian made car of around RM50k would does the job just as well. But again, it is your personal preference. Remember a car is more of a liability than an asset.

(3) I wish you success in this venture.

(4) As per above, good luck.
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post Apr 11 2011, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Apr 11 2011, 11:09 AM)
22k for 3 years wasn't really bad, are u under scholarships or u work part time during your break?
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I would presume it is savings from allowances given by parents which if true is still admirable. Most teenagers nowadays would spend everything given that it is a very material world.
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post Apr 11 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 11 2011, 03:22 PM)
Kokkeehouw,

Being business does not mean must be Sdn bhd. You can be in business as a a sole proprieter.

Xuzen


Added on April 11, 2011, 3:27 pm

How much does one need to go to Haj? Is RM 130K enough (i think with RM 130K can go for two trips lar). Therefore it makes no logic to move from FD to Tabung Haji - 3% to 4% is not logical.

You have very little actually no equities exposure. You are too overweight in fixed income. You need to rebalance your portfolio by divesting into a higher percentage in equities.

Xuzen
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Sole proprietor for properties? I think the bank will tell you to use your individual name as it is the same.
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post Apr 12 2011, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(qpalzm87 @ Apr 12 2011, 09:55 AM)
Dad gives me RM 1k for my monthly allowance which is used for rental, utilities, petrol, food and miscellaneous. Normally I save RM200 - RM300/month.
I don't work part time during my break coz my break is short, 3 weeks the most.

Yes, I've seen some of my friends who are under ptptn loan splurge the money to buy new clothes, shoes, handphones etc. Sometimes I envy them coz they're able to spend lavishly. And they teased me for wearing the same old shirt, same snickers and using an old school handphone.
As of right now, it is RM 10k per trip. That does not include any compulsive spending once I'm there. But I planned to have RM 15k for my haj in say 10 years time as the waiting list is long.

I can't agree more, however, am not willing to invest into mutual funds due to high(I stand corrected) management fees and annual fees. Been looking at Pubic Ittikal (public mutual) for quite some time now.

And to invest in equities, I do not know which broker should I use as there are many out there. I've heard stories from my tutor and friends, where the broker will simply call you up and suggest to buy/sell just to earn commission.
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If you save RM200-300 a month, it would mean around RM10k max for 3 years effort. In between you received "well behave" bonus? hehehe wink.gif


Added on April 12, 2011, 10:22 am
QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Apr 10 2011, 09:48 PM)
So far they are blue chips. Apartments in Penang for 1000+ sqft cost around 350k (if youre lucky) and up. Please blame speculators and subsellers.  vmad.gif  On the side, reno won't start until I start to move in years after- I nid to feel safe having own home first and I put the number there just as a target renovation goal. If 200k around like you suggest, I would be thinking youre referring to Klang Valley area which I am not keen to invest unless I am living there.

Speaking of properties as investment, as is with stocks, it is only worth that money when you cash out- which frankly I think our market right now is overpriced.  At a later stage, personal appetite would be on agricultural investments (farm, PO, rubber etc) because I believe them to be fundamentals in any market.

Would you agree with me that capital growth is crucial for a sub 30 year old person? Damn open to any opportunities for this. Businessmen, people with good track records, hear ye hear ye! This man here is open for partnership and ideas! PM me  thumbup.gif
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So sorry I am not into shares, so cannot comment much on them. I supposed Penang is getting expensive for everything. I guess you have your finances planned. Good luck in your quest! smile.gif

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post Apr 25 2011, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(mea05key @ Apr 23 2011, 09:47 PM)
Age: 26
Occupation: Engineer

Asset
FD: GBP 22k
Savings: RM 4k

Liability
Parents: RM 190k

Cash flow = - 90k

Man, what should I do..
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You owe your parents RM190k? But what is cash flow - 90k means?

house? Salary? When you asked what should you do, what are your objectives?
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post Apr 29 2011, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(wanakev2 @ Apr 29 2011, 02:26 AM)
really inspire me = )
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Illegal car rental business is profitable but very high risks. If your car encounters an accident, the insurance company may not pay as your car is meant for private use and not commercial.


Added on April 29, 2011, 10:52 am
QUOTE(mea05key @ Apr 29 2011, 03:35 AM)
I am waiting for the bloody pounds value to rise a little more before i sell that damn currency. Then plant some money into dividend shares and mutual funds. Leave some money and wait till the share market tumble buy a whole bunch of blue chips shares. My objective? to yield 10% of my 100k investment in a year, to maintain cash flow of +100k every year.

I am looking to get a house soon hopefully...

I can pay my parents on monthly/ yearly basis.

I can save max up to 6k a month

So anybody has anything hint whether is it the right time to sell the pounds or to wait ? I am waiting for it to reach 5.0 the lowest before i sell.


Added on April 29, 2011, 3:39 am

Realistically speaking, you should keep it to yourself if you have nothing better to say. There's nothing to LOL about on such a thing. Bloody hell.
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First, my personal opinion is the pound may not rise to 5 in the short to medium term (having said that, I am not a currency expert). Savings of RM6k a month is very enviable. Just on a very personal note, to be able to save that much at such age, I believe you are more towards "self employed" right, ie. working for family. But I don't understand the part where you say your cash flow is negative 90k. What do you actually mean by that.

From what i can see, you have quite a healthy financial standing and should have nothing to worry about. Property and share market are very choppy. There is virtually no direction anymore nowadays. Best to invest in low risks low return until the weather is clear.

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post May 9 2011, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(hitokai @ May 9 2011, 11:42 AM)
hey guys... i wonder wat the best for 30k liquid cash at hand and i can save bout 7k per month ...

im 22 this year ... any investment worth making atm?

mutual fund or stock option?

gold? or start a biz?

been having sleepless night naw ... thinking over n over again for my future ...

currently im working on my tutoring center

vehicle = car 80k ( fully paid, so x loan ), van 35k ( outstanding )

properties = none

stock = none

mutual fund = 15k

ASN = 3k

moneh in hand = 30k ( current account )

monthly wage = > 8k

i wanna knew the feeling of money begets money tho ... ^^ thank you for all the sifu for da comments
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My advice would be to re-invest your money into opening a tuition centre since it is a business you know quite well and seemed to be generating good income for you. Hire more teachers to leverage on them. Then instead of saving RM7k a month, you might be saving RM70k a month.

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post May 11 2011, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(hitokai @ May 10 2011, 11:41 AM)
well say but as i said earlier i manage my own center meaning i have no time to built another one. By built i mean starting off again by scratch ... promoting ... getting credit from student and such ... i have in mind a few location to open some branch but the key factor in a successful biz no matter what is the manpower who runs it ... therefore now my main concern is i get the right admin to do it ...
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Reinvestment in own business normally brings the highest gains as you would be the one who would be most familiar with the entire operation. Expansion does not mean more branches but could be increase in the size of your current operation. Employ subspecialist teachers for individual subjects. I know Malaysia is still at its infancy for tuition centre. If you could market your product well, your centre will be a kill. I always have the concept of providing free or half price tuition for outstanding students. These students are your marketing tools. You can brag about how these students came and succeed in your centre, prompting other mums to hope for the same for their children. Provide direct interaction with parents making sure the parents know their children progress. All these could mean more work but at the end of the day better returns too. Sorry for harping on, but that's my 2 sen.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 11 2011, 03:10 PM)
Then you really need to work on enhancing your knowledge towards investments, and finding more and more safe instruments that you can invest in. Having RM122K in an FD is really a great loss of opportunity.
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If we enter a bear market, having RM122k in FD is definitely much better than anything. Chances are we should be heading towards a bear market soon.
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QUOTE(rzkb @ Jun 6 2011, 09:14 AM)

gf: rm 700/month

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Just curious, how come your gf gets an allowance for just being your gf?

 

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