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EddyLB
post Apr 10 2013, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 10 2013, 09:21 AM)
Thank you.

With RM500,000 now, maybe I need to spend 20 years so to duble my net worth by 4 times then only can reach your amount of RM8 million,  by then I also becomes 50 same as what you are now. Too bad that due to inflation the purchasing power of RM8 million in 20 years will be much lower than the RM8 million today, so I need to pump in more capital.
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Do consider put more weighting to properties. If you are more into property 5 years ago, you could have achieved RM1m by now.

My experience with property and shares :

The returns of the right shares is better than the right property
The returns of the average property is better than the average shares

I am leaning more to properties because I need lesser luck to buy the right property compare to shares laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2013, 10:56 AM)
As an illustration in general
Stocks/Equities  =  Rollercoaster

Properties   =  Gentle train chugging up the slope
On yer timing thingy...........that's a difficult one...........

If I bought LAND 5 years ago, I wouldn't be sitting here.........   biggrin.gif

Then again I bought a piece in 92 for Rm5 psf...........someone offered Rm180psf.......still chugging
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Agreed !

We have heard many stories about Genting and Public bank shares RM3k bought in 1970s and became RM1 mil in 2000s. Those really need luck to hold that long without selling the bonus shares, splittings and rights issue

But for many plantation land 10 acre in 1970s maybe worth RM10k-RM20k, now it also can worth RM3 mil. If in puchong, it could be RM30m laugh.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Apr 10 2013, 11:12 AM)
I don't think you need luck to gain in shares, whereas in property, luck do play a little role. Even if you buy the property 5 years ago and many properties double or triple up, the one that you buy not necessary go up the same. Besides, as we are just working class, we have only finite amount of money to get the correct property at the right time - still subject to loan approval tongue.gif
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Maybe I am lucky in properties. Or because I buy and keep them so never realised the loss, and the loss eventually become profit when property appreciate in long term.

But for shares, I have some counter which lost me money. Some cannot recoup as it went kaput all together....I still remember the "king of share" Repco..... vmad.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 10 2013, 11:28 AM)
I am more a share fellow as this is my passion in doing research on securities. I am not pro-property as I am not comfortable and do not want to get involve the hassle in property investment, so if I have missed on the opportunity of property then so be it.

And I do not agree your statement that 'The returns of the average property is better than the average shares'. Shares have been performing better than property in many occasions. The only illusion that you think your investment in properties yield better than the return in shares without taking into considering the risk nature of 9x gearing on property investment.

Assuming if I am taking on 1.5x gearing for my investment portfolio (same as my share margin is now 1.5x of my portfolio) and still be able to maintain my past CAGR record of 20%, my portfolio's yearly return would be close to 50%. Imagine if I take up to 9x gearing as what you did property investment for the share investment and maintain a 20% return on the levered-investment portfolio, I might fare a fantistic return close to 200% on my principal within a year! Too bad that share margin financing won't allow me to take up as high as 9x gearing and also due to the risky feature on margin call.
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The reason why I say "The returns of the average property is better than the average shares" is that given long enough time frame, property investment is 90% of time will appreciate many times. Close to saying - buta-buta buy property you will make a few fold in 20 years time. But for shares, you got to do your home work properly



The gearing part is also a point to consider when choosing shares or property. Property is 9x. Share margin is 1.5x. With cash of RM100k, I can either buy RM1 mil of property or RM250k of shares

Let's say we make the same 20% on both investment. In absolute terms, if I invest in property, I make RM200k. For shares, I make only RM50k.



But at the end of the day, it is personal choice. I am not here to convince you to switch all your share investment to property. Just suggesting diversification may be a good thing laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 10 2013, 11:42 AM)
When one has argued that we ordinary people cannot hold shares for long term to enjoy the huge return, then how we are so sure we could hold on a vacant land at a cost of RM10,000 for 40 years to sell at RM30 million?
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I did laugh.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 10 2013, 12:12 PM)
If those who have done the research on shares as what they did on property investment,  they could have avoided Repco.
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True....

But in property I did very little research also. Have not encountered Repco in property. Maybe 90% of the property is blue chip thumbup.gif

But I got to admit that share investment give a whole lot higher satisfaction and self esteem when the share price increase compare to property thumbup.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(noprogambler @ Apr 10 2013, 02:08 PM)
Yah you did, then I can on my own way different from yours tongue.gif .
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Ya, there is no right or wrong way. Both way also can reach the destination. Best of luck ! icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Sep 14 2013, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 14 2013, 09:20 AM)
U all still single ah? Sounds like it  laugh.gif

It's a lifelong investment
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You just married for a few years ? Say that again in 20 years time laugh.gif
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post Sep 14 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 14 2013, 11:25 AM)
I'm not married (yet). Haha!
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Before married - excitement
After married and got children - satisfaction
After 20 years - responsibility / liability

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