Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Bodybuilding Thread V6, Bodybuilding Discussion

views
     
cheezzzz
post Apr 5 2010, 10:00 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
question on deadlifts - romanian to be exact, am I risking my back in any way when I deload the weight to the floor but my hamstrings are not strong enough to allow me to deload steadily?

The weights dont just drop and fall right to the floor but there is some stress involved acting on my body as I deload, can feel due to weaker hamstrings. I'm wondering is this okay for my posture..?

Its the eccentric motion I'm worried about.. cuz bench press,squats I usually do with slower eccentrics (about 2-3 secs to descend) but I can't really do that with deads..
cheezzzz
post Apr 5 2010, 10:34 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(Desvaro @ Apr 5 2010, 10:25 PM)
Why are you deloading romanian deadlifts on the floor? The only time the bar should be on the floor is at the end of the set.
*
oh.. wait a sec my bad >< i think regular deads.. cuz I didnt noe there were so many variations i thought it was only between the romanian and stiff leg deads.. got normal 1 oso eh?

so is it ok if i deload on normal deads?
cheezzzz
post Apr 5 2010, 10:44 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 5 2010, 10:36 PM)
Simple. Use a lighter weight.
*
i thought of doing that as well.. cuz my hamstrings are really weak and I may have to do deads more often, with slow eccentrics until I strengthen my hams till I can progressively deload heavier weights steadily.

Let's say I can do a deadlift of 50kg, would that mean i can lift it up and also deload the weight steadily (without shaking, unstable wobbly motion) after each rep?
cheezzzz
post Apr 5 2010, 11:33 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 5 2010, 11:17 PM)
Erh....you wanna do deadlifts with slow eccentrics? It can be done, but you will have to reduce a lot of weight. I do that with clean and snatch pulls (weightlifting athlete, not bodybuilding) but I do it with much lighter weights. For example, my max deadlift is 200KG. I only do that with 150KG for the clean pulls and 130KG for the snatch pulls and even that I only do it for doubles, max cuz it's terribly taxing on my hamstrings as well as lower back and lats, so you really gotta be careful.

Here's another problem though. You don't have enough weight. Your daedlift if it's at 50KG, I'd suggest just do more deadlifts and squats and jumps to increase your deadlifts to about 150KG before considering using slow eccentrics. Reason being, when your just starting off, you'd adapt much faster if you just focused on fully compound work such as deadlift. Also the weight you're using is slightly too low to be off much use (hypertrophy speaking). Now if you're really interested in building more hamstring muscles, I'd really suggest giving deep squats a go, but you'd have to be sure your form is solid first.

Also things such as box jumps, depth drops and rebounds, vertical jumps and running will greatly improve your hamstring development. Reason being, hamstrings are a fast twitch, "power" muscle that grows much more when given powerful movements. (or at least the theory goes) In a bb POV, I've tried using pulls (3-5 reps) and then run and jump after that. What then happened is, I grew something I'd like to call...."an anomaly". It's bulging up like a monster this lil fellow hamstrings. Then my clean and jerks jumped to 137KG from 125KG 3 weeks prior. Interesting eh?
*
oooh I get where ur coming from regarding slow eccentrics.. I'll do that, work on getting my deadlift to that weight! so its ok even if I cant really deload steadily in a slow eccentric manner? btw deep squats are squats where you go beyond parallel?

PB thanks for taking time to explain, learnt a lot, didn noe hams are fast twitch that grow more that way.. thats an insane increase in your clean and jerks btw biggrin.gif

JonYeap : ahhahah almost man almost.. but it's these reads that really teach new things everyday..
cheezzzz
post Apr 6 2010, 12:01 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(Desvaro @ Apr 5 2010, 11:45 PM)
To put it in simple words, when you're a beginner, just focus on GETTING F!@#ing STRONGER, and everything else will take care of itself =)

Just tell that to yourself, GET STRONG GET STRONG GET STRONG. But of course, technique comes before form.

Deep squats are also known as ATG, A$$ to Grass Squat, basically, you squat AS DEEP AS YOU CAN, leaving a stain on the floor if you're flexible enough.
*
yeah I figured to build a bigger frame I had to get stronger at my compound lifts so there would actually be more flesh on me, later only thinking of isolations.

lololol ATG. isit something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmyep_6sGs&feature=related

except perhaps lower? as low as you can go without letting ur butt sag and curl downwards? lolol dono how to explain but the butt has a tendency to do that when we go too low. most of the time I go as deep as I can, but recently if I continue to do that, there's a hugeee tendency for me to stall. nevertheless in my 5x5 ive been doing at least 3-4 reps ATG in every set, I always feel I don't go low enough lolol
cheezzzz
post Apr 6 2010, 03:39 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 6 2010, 10:17 AM)
Do back squats with a stick. Slowly descend to maximal depth and then pause. Remember the feeling, of how deep you descended and then bounce out. And then repeat. Ensure weight is constantly at the heels and that your hips aren't rising faster than your shoulders and neck. Shoulders and neck always always rise at the same speed as the hips, or your angle will move your squats into being a hamstring dominant exercise even past parallel. Now repeat this about 15x for 2 sets and then proceed to doing your actual squats.

As for your butt-tuck, people suggest to stretch the hamstrings and glutes. I've got a better idea. Hold a 40KG bar over your head and do over head squats. If your butt tucks, you'll fall backwards. If your bar's not in the middle of your center of gravity, you'll fall forward or backwards. If your butt isn't pushed out hard enough, you'll fall over. So anytime you fall, you'll have to get up and figure out what the hell didn't you do right and repeat. Fantastic isn't it the overhead squats? That's why it's known as one of the best postural assessment tools in the industry.

Poliquin I believe, once said that getting stronger is like learning a new language. You need to keep doing (speaking) it over and over and over and over again consistently, over a period of time. He was summarizing Doug Hepburn's method of getting stronger, which is using many many many many sets. This principal is also applied to learning of the squatting (of course) movement. You need to keep doing squats over and over again, with that empty stick to be able to get the technique right. When you're tired, rest. Then repeat with the empty stick. Squats is one of the most difficult exercises to learn and you've got to keep practicing.

You'll notice that your squat technique evolves with time. Mine has changed numerous times as well.
*
ooh. thanks for the advice pb, it makes a lotta sense now - my friend used to tell me to do squats with a stick over my head to ensure proper posture hahaha.ill do those overhead squats in my warm up sets then biggrin.gif
cheezzzz
post Apr 7 2010, 07:27 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(SticH @ Apr 7 2010, 06:57 PM)
Hello guys, form check again pleaseĀ  rclxms.gif

Is there any wrong with my squat? My lowest lowest backbone seems to pain when I squat with 60kg, in the video it's 30kg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHecwAd24eM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJoSOpwL5Sk
*
ok erm.. first of all.. do it slower. you gotta squat like you take a poop in the toilet with the hole in the floor.your legs should be wide. how wide? shoulder width, look in the mirror to see if its wide enough. when u descend, hips out first. u sud feel the stretch of your muscles near ur butt and/or under ur thigh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDdSZmWNYQI

this vid explains it. practice squatting whenever u have free time, without the weights. their tips in the vid are pretty good, like if ur doing it right, when ur at parallel position you should be able to wriggle your toes.. do it slowly and keep doing it, practice makes perfect! and if your gym has a stick, put it over your head and squat for practice.

edit: this vid too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdwETDQXCw squat like that without the weight, and you should be squatting right. and common mistakes u can check http://stronglifts.com/how-to-squat-with-p...ommon-problems/

This post has been edited by cheezzzz: Apr 7 2010, 07:29 PM
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 06:56 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 14 2010, 05:16 PM)
The problem with some fools i meet in his gym when training there is, they don't f***in listen to him. He tells them how to do something right and when he walks off they do the same shit. I mean, seriously, I went to look up this guy when I almost died of pneumonia few years back. Gained almost 13 kgs of muscle in a few months. He kept drilling in the principles of instinctive training, but also TONS of form correction. There are people who pm me for help in their sessions but being a doctor, I have time constraints but Terry's like a full time trainer. Plus with that Duke's highway, heh... less than 10 mins to get there. I'm probably heading there next week or something to catch up.
*
i train around wangsa too! and I would attend his gym if I had my own car sad.gif
when looking for a gym to join around that area near my uni I paid a visit to his first. Friends and I were pretty turned off by the idea of a ghetto gym. tbh I didnt really mind.. just wanted to learn from someone who knows their stuff.

but now I feel more comfortable in a ghetto one after training for almost 2 mths in one haha, might go over to his gym if can find transport there.
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 07:22 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
darkie, I've a few questions.. I'm currently on a 5x5 programme and recently I've realised my gym sessions are uberly time consuming. I am thinking of reverting to a 3 day split workout, chest/tricep, back/bicep, shoulder/traps/legs kinda thing.

I'm a real ecto, starting off with a really small frame. Literally cuz my wristline (like how u measure waistline) is less than 6 inches. my goal is more size over strength (but not neglecting la). Thinking of switching my WO from a 5x5 to sumthing like this.. 3-4 reps per exercise

Chest/tricep - bench press, pushups, skull crushers or tricep extension, decline/incline bench
back/bicep - inverted rows, pull/chin ups, plank(prone bridges), lat machine, bicep curl
shoulder/traps/legs - overhead press, deadlift, squats, lateral raises, calf raises

going from a 5x5 I think itll be a bit weird and i know its kinda weird also to use some of the BW exercises.. will I still be able to gain mass through a workout like that? or what would you suggest?
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 07:43 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 14 2010, 07:32 PM)
Drop deadlifts. You don't need them. I don't think you should squat or deadlift on the same day. Seems ok. But you should do

Chest/bi
Back/tri
Shoulder/trap/legs
*
oo okie.but deads are one of the better compound movement exercises i tot? comp movements are essential for getting bigger generally right?

btw darkie, I am thinking of doing 3 sets with each exercising increasing the weight, starting with weight i can do 10-12 reps, then 8-10, then 6-8. is that alright?
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 07:58 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 14 2010, 07:49 PM)
I don't suggest going lower than 8. Deadlifts are not necessary in a bodybuilder's arsenal. They're ok but not necessary. Compounds in the long term will just emphasize your strong parts and neglect weak parts that's why we supplement them with isolation exercises.
*
ic.. im just worried i dont do enuf comps.. got this mindset that i can only bulk up by doing comps.. the fact is comps need to be supped with isos as well right?

so will it b alright if i do 4 comp exercises and 2 isos per session? or 3,3?
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 08:05 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 14 2010, 08:01 PM)
There's no strict rule here. I do 3 compounds for chest and 1 so. Shoulders I do 1 compound and 3 isos or sometimes 2 compounds 3 isos. Go by feel.
*
alright. thanks so much darkie! haha that is kind of the best advice ive got from most ppl.. my friends who are quite big also say that alot, go by feel haha.

o btw, last questions.. any tips for bulking? ie what volume and intensity to train with, and is bulking only limited to people who already have the frame and bigger bones? sorry for a rather inferior question.. just wanted to confirm, who better to seek right haha..
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 08:35 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 14 2010, 08:30 PM)
It's the total number of sets you do per bodypart which is important, the body can only take so much. Bulking can apply to anyone. 12 small bodyparts, 16 bigger ones.
*
ooh alright, and that total number of sets per bodypart... go by feel? ahaha. thanks so much darkie! lemme know if ur going to terry's! they have pay per entry right? if not mistaken..
cheezzzz
post Apr 14 2010, 10:38 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 14 2010, 10:24 PM)
newbie can train here? Looking for a gym to join~

whats the rate? hope some member there can guide~
*
call n ask terry himself! hes really nice, he took his time to explain prices and everything to me and how to find the way to his gym too! number is posted, scroll up.
cheezzzz
post Apr 15 2010, 05:07 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
QUOTE(theCrab @ Apr 15 2010, 04:51 PM)
rclxms.gif calm handsome
I believe and confidence on you
because they just told me Asian and Black People are different genetic

this black dude seriously can make 385 pounds bench and run 5 miles 6 days a week
freak me out
He looks kinda bulk in I,Robot
cheers  rclxms.gif

well i hope i got the chance
i just like his chest and arm
and have a tone abs  rolleyes.gif
*
genetics is the only limiting factor. I think everyone can bulk up to about his size, genetics are for like the more extreme say u wana bodybuild and join competitions with uber bulging hulk like muscles.

i mean, ur not aiming to be the best ma, just aiming to be bigger, im sure thats not a problem. just EAT EAT EAT, train and sleep.
cheezzzz
post Apr 21 2010, 10:29 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
610 posts

Joined: Sep 2006
near one utama. its near the two petrol kiosks next to each other, shell and esso/mobil.turn in at the road in between esso and the school.its at the row of shops next to pelangi damansara condos. a corner shop mamak with loads of people shi shaing. best shi sha around damansara area imo..

darkie got good taste hehehe, think i can join after my sem exams?

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0578sec    0.60    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 9th December 2025 - 11:09 AM