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post Apr 6 2010, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Apr 6 2010, 12:08 AM)
You guys ah, I meant a sweat stain la WTF
Just so we're clear, if you stall at 40kg ATG, then do 45kg but only to parallel the next week, you are STILL STALLING, that is not progress.

This video is better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2IIFTLdsZk&feature=related

If you're wondering, the big guy is Pierre Roy, a legendary coach in Weightlifting. He's counting out the tempo in French.
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OUCH!
i do what the 'victim' is doing also but lesser time la
and lesser weight (40kgs max)
damn!
that'll sure boost leg strength in a month or so

we should have someone like poliquin in kl
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Added on April 6, 2010, 12:48 amdo u wanna die?

Its fun

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QUOTE(bata @ Apr 6 2010, 01:08 AM)
thats the PENDLAY ROW. even have title over the img woo....
Chow
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kalau penah baca sticky kat forum ni sure tau punye bende tu pendlay
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Added on April 6, 2010, 1:15 amjust wanna update
im starting my bulking this week
although i'd rather call it culking jugak but not for the diet
more on the routine
today started cardio only day - the rest of the week cardio (light) with heavyweight (tiru darklite's routine)
burnt 1300kcal
yay...

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 6 2010, 10:17 AM)
Do back squats with a stick. Slowly descend to maximal depth and then pause. Remember the feeling, of how deep you descended and then bounce out. And then repeat. Ensure weight is constantly at the heels and that your hips aren't rising faster than your shoulders and neck. Shoulders and neck always always rise at the same speed as the hips, or your angle will move your squats into being a hamstring dominant exercise even past parallel. Now repeat this about 15x for 2 sets and then proceed to doing your actual squats.

As for your butt-tuck, people suggest to stretch the hamstrings and glutes. I've got a better idea. Hold a 40KG bar over your head and do over head squats. If your butt tucks, you'll fall backwards. If your bar's not in the middle of your center of gravity, you'll fall forward or backwards. If your butt isn't pushed out hard enough, you'll fall over. So anytime you fall, you'll have to get up and figure out what the hell didn't you do right and repeat. Fantastic isn't it the overhead squats? That's why it's known as one of the best postural assessment tools in the industry.

Poliquin I believe, once said that getting stronger is like learning a new language. You need to keep doing (speaking) it over and over and over and over again consistently, over a period of time. He was summarizing Doug Hepburn's method of getting stronger, which is using many many many many sets. This principal is also applied to learning of the squatting (of course) movement. You need to keep doing squats over and over again, with that empty stick to be able to get the technique right. When you're tired, rest. Then repeat with the empty stick. Squats is one of the most difficult exercises to learn and you've got to keep practicing.

You'll notice that your squat technique evolves with time. Mine has changed numerous times as well.
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i cudnt agree more
last time cannot pull up, after 10-20 sets of perfect 1, i can already do 5-8 reps after a month of doing it everyday
last time cannot push up, after 10-20 sets of perfect 1, can already do 30-40 after 2 months of doing the same thing day after day
i think im gonna apply it to squats and dippings also
hehehe
some of the hardest to do for me
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post Apr 6 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 6 2010, 12:21 PM)
Erh....for most movements I don't really see a purpose in going above 20 repetitions. When you can hit 20 repetitions, there's a need to increase load. For pull-ups, I'd increase load the moment I can hit 15 dead hang pull-ups.

After a certain point, there's only that much load the body can apply. After that, increased load from weights must be added for continual improvement.
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well i did not do 20 reps bro
20 sets of 1 reps (1 rep cuz i cant do more than 1 last time)
i increase the rep every 2 weeks by 1 per increment
now i can go up to 8
will be focusing to get to 12
then do dead hang cuz thats a lot harder
and my pull ups arent wide grips
them are just normal grip shoulder width
after i got myself to 12 normal pull ups, im aiming to master wide grips
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btw, bila u mau update the status of ur avatar?

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 6 2010, 01:37 PM)
I'm just saying, that I don't see much of a point in going too high repetitions in all these bodyweight exercises. They provide a good pump, but if you're aiming for muscle growth (as we're in a bb section), you'd want to get more tear and the amount of tear that high repetitions with a set amount of weight, is only that much.
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ahaha
point noted
maybe it worked for me that way kot
i dunno...
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post Apr 7 2010, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Hammond Tan @ Apr 6 2010, 11:37 PM)
hey guys..i'm on keto diet now. can't find no shop selling cottage cheese around wangsa maju. anyone of you know where i could get it?
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cari la kat cold storage wangsa walk there
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post Apr 7 2010, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 7 2010, 01:56 AM)
Research more before you start posting about your knowledge in bodybuilding. High reps have their place in hypertrophy, regardless of them being bodyweight exercises or not. And are in the bodybuilding thread, a good pump is what we bodybuilders try to achieve. Read more into fascia tearing. If Terry were reading this it'd be really embarrassing. And he does surf this section miscellaneously, trust me.
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bro
i copied ur old exercise for chest and went heavy i.e. did 5x10 and played till fail
of course poundages arent as big as yours but i think after workout i cant move my right arm cuz sakit and now im demam and took MC
HAHAHAHAHAHA...
but so long never did heavy, made some PR's although it wasnt my intention
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 7 2010, 11:16 PM)
Ah... A fellow Smith machine squatter. Good form on the squats. You don't have to go all the way down but go down a tad lower. Below parallel is fine. Feet placement is good. Wider stance for inner quads, narrower stance for outer quads.

Barbell row, you need to bend over lower like you're about ringer screwed doggy style. I'm serious. Visualize or watch porn to get it right. I'm dead serious. Pull up explosively, ram it against your lower abs. A 2-0-2 tempo is fine. Smooth and controlled motion is good.


Added on April 7, 2010, 11:18 pm

Well bro, no need to overanalyze. He just needs to keep doing it and the weak points will catch up. =)
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i used to get the laugh when i squat on smith
ramai cakap - its for girls
i just said wtf?
form over function to me...people look good main free weights but form like sheit what for

anyway, next week i might post my 160kg standing calf raise (smith machine) and wanna know u guys' thoughts on the form
i think its too easy (not bragging) and thats why i think something is wrong with the form (also i cant do more than 8-10 cuz tiba tiba my lower back got spasm = vmad.gif ) - and i know 160kg is like pijak semut to many of u guys here
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and tried ATG squats for first time today..i dunno why, my butt wont touch the floor even without bar...i can only reach the ankles cuz if i go more, sure jatuh
but even with that measure, did 5x10 and maximum i can go was 50kgs (all free weights)- i know its puny
haha


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Added on April 7, 2010, 11:30 pm
QUOTE(SticH @ Apr 7 2010, 06:57 PM)
Hello guys, form check again please  rclxms.gif

Is there any wrong with my squat? My lowest lowest backbone seems to pain when I squat with 60kg, in the video it's 30kg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHecwAd24eM
Barbell rows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJoSOpwL5Sk
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im no pro
i can only assume ur still new to this but ur squat might need a little adjustment je on posture
but that comes with practice and ur comfortability with the workout itself

as for the rows, like darklite said, the back needs more arching like ur about to receive kokc
if u stick with that form, takut ur lower back will be affected
QUOTE(david890701 @ Apr 7 2010, 03:12 PM)
hi junior =D


Added on April 7, 2010, 3:18 pm

We have alot in common

1) Photography
2) BB
3) Law

Come join me in OHM Bukit Beruang.
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law is the shittiest programme ever and the members of the BAR are a-holes and i think its overrated
im an in house lawyer for PETRONAS btw...
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 7 2010, 11:34 PM)
You need high and low reps for calves. I'll say this again and again. ATG is not necessary in a bodybuilder's arsenal. Look at Kmaru's form. He doesn't go ATG yes has awesome quad development. Look at how the pros all squat. Low till below parallel or just parallel for targeting quads to the
max.
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aite
will take this into account when playing legs
but even ATG made me realised my weaknesses in squats i.e. balance when exploding up...
yet out of all exercise, i love leg day


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QUOTE(harris92 @ Apr 7 2010, 11:47 PM)
In house lawyer for Petronas, wow. That's impressive.
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haha
anyone can become one bro
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 8 2010, 02:19 PM)
In bodybuilding there are no absolutes. None is better than the other. It is what works for an individual that matters.
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i live by this quote even for my cardio sessions
but so many people tak pecaya bende ni and stick by some regime say from magazines or internet
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oh well...

QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 8 2010, 02:45 PM)
haha.. david is my fren. =.=
wakkakaka... just messing with him.
i dont do that to strangers, except for the legendary ZEIST! =.=
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i've only saw the post by zeist once
after that i was off lyn for quite some time almost a year or so
hahaha
never thought he was the next biggest thing after king83 (or am i wrong...perhaps the koyak orgasm is still big and hanging around?)

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 8 2010, 06:14 PM)
king83 is an ok guy in real life. zeist is the smallest bodybuilder prick wannabe. I bet he's an ass in real life too. I don't hate zeist but i just love pissing him off in Kopitiam and i flame him whenever i get the chance.
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i know
i met king83 masa gathering at klcc along with jamis, iamyuanwu, neek etc etc
he's cool...just saying masa die kene troll dulu
never know zeist though
btw where's jones

QUOTE(angrydog @ Apr 8 2010, 08:25 PM)
This is random guys, but I just had a horrible chest/back workout and decided to have a bigass dinner to make up for it.  I ended up eating 43 sticks of Kajang satay and now I feel like I'm going to die. sad.gif
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i am not as big as u but i know how it feels
my biggest feat when i was fat last time was 3 ekor ayam (kenny rogers masa diorang baru introduced in malaysia many years back) in one go
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 9 2010, 01:43 AM)
Yeah. King is actually the quiet type in RL. very nice guy too.
dunno shit bout zeist tho.
talk about jones, last i heard he was busy with his law studies and then he dissapeared. bugger.
and where the $%^& is Noel too!??!?!
what are they now? 18.49"? they look friggin huge bro.
thanks to you, i feel like going to bulking straight and fudge this "cutting" bullshit.
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hey hey hey !
dont talk bad about my friend...hahahahaaha
my friend that goes by the name of cutting by the way
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 9 2010, 10:14 AM)
Yeah, most of the guy from that meetup hilang sudah, only left iamyanwu, AND Neek u too has been missing for quite sometime lol. The other guy was.... danielo right?
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i was hilang cuz office kenot tengok forum...now already can
i was busy in the garage sales thread for the past year
hahaha
how's progress so far bro?
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QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 9 2010, 11:14 AM)
Was good, but get sick and lost plenty mass so now i decided to cut down my fat lvl and get ready to bulk in 2 months time and i think this gona last me another 9mths then think of my new plan XD
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hehe
if u ever plan to come to klcc, roger me yo
im full time around
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u know where i work anyway

QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 9 2010, 12:18 PM)
Brown rice is your best friend for bulking up. Egg yolks too!
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a friend told me next to menara maxis there's a vegetarian shop jual steamed brown rice
might wanna give it a go next week for pre workout meal (asik makan half chicken je for PWO so nak tambah proper carbs)
hehehe
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 9 2010, 02:45 PM)
post work out or pre work out? =.=
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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Apr 12 2010, 02:37 AM)
i've just started bodybuilding but i don't really know how much should i lift. i don't know whether i'm overdoing it or underdoing it. i'm 50kg and 169cm in height. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(alzaim @ Apr 12 2010, 03:26 AM)
okay i was wondering something..

when to know when you are tearing the muscle or hurting it...
i mean to know when we are doing enough or overdoing it..

still never get the feel right yet...
is those mild sore after the day after is the right tear we want..
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QUOTE(cottonkandy @ Apr 12 2010, 03:30 AM)
^ same question as above. i can't get the feeling right. i'm very sure i never overdo but i don't know did i underdo it.
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if you dont read enough, dont start bodybuilding or go to the gym just yet

if the tore is painful, its not the proper tear - check your form
whether its the right tear you want, its your body's call
none of us can judge it for you bro

overdoing/underdoing?
- ikut mofonyx' advice


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QUOTE(diablokun @ Apr 12 2010, 12:51 PM)
i don't think most bb would stay away from honey...unless a week out from comp...by right, honey = fructose... fructose is good because it is primarily used for liver glycogen...honey is useful, but not superior to other forms of carbs...
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good for bulk and pre workout - good source of carbs although like u said there are other good forms of calories like raisins or nuts
that being said, honey aint good for use in huge amounts = gemok
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 12 2010, 07:06 PM)
Here's Bob Chick's (IFBB PRO's reply to HIIT):-
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well apparently HIIT works for me...at least i think
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never did research myself but i never seem to trust fasted cardio also
my meal intake everyday (workout day or cardio day i.e. rest days sama je)

and yeah john's lucky for low bf%
endos like me are just plain curse from the almighty

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 12 2010, 08:47 PM)
HIIT burns muscle. Which is why you may not be growing as much as you'd like. I saw your pics. You look pretty good but no offense, with the time frame which passed you could have done a lot better bro. I saw in Bob Chic's thread that the smallest people there were the ones spewing out a lot of scientific gibberish and trying to make things complicated. Check this post out and his reply to it:-
^^^^^
BLA BLA
The minute it becomes a game of the max rep...you've defeated the purpose and entered into the wait and see of getting injured.
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hmm...
well then slower cardio could be in
but i gotta do more research on it too...any good links on this for me to read?
looking in google mesti HIIT overrides slower cardio
cuz i need to understand the term slow cardio too and what it means

as in HIIT is measured by heart rate
how's slow cardio being benchmarked?
but one thing i agree about HIIT when it comes to myself is that while my legs are my strongest in the weight room, its the weakest on the track or treadmill...my ankles and shins and whatever not are busted due to long durations of HIIT uphill running
i burn calories yes but i could have done the same using slower methods albeit adding 20-30 more minutes (but without injuries)
and it is tried and tested today (cardio day) cuz i cant run therefore i busted my ass on the concept 2 rowing machine (not HIIT just normal cardio at low resistance but medium effort and burnt the same amount of calories i did for HIIT uphill running in the same amount of time (450kcal in less than 30 minutes)...

but the scientific gibberish...well thats not me for sure...i aint that smart and start spewing researches i barely understand

i also agree with you all along about basics
basics in diet, basics in bb, basics in cardio...
on a lighter note, what u said about the scientific crap could hurt the feelings of some people here (not me cuz i dont give crap too) but i know you couldnt give two hoots about that... rclxms.gif tongue.gif
HAHAHAHAHA...

but perhaps u cud explain about the previous post when bob said the timing your meal could only work on paper...

and about the pics thanks for the comments
i stated the year 2003 tu mase last i ate shit and crap from hell...
i started serious bb'ing in mid 2008 (august) and thats quite a long time a go also
like u said, perhaps i could have done some things right
but i learn through things via trial and error
now i know which workout works which workout wont work (like how my flexors hate barbells but at times i do have to force it especially in compound movements when im bored with db)
hehehe....

@ jon yeap
ronnie coleman (in an old muscle fitness released the year he conquered the olympia podium for the 3rd time and no i dont buy these mags, its lying around in the gym in wangsa maju) said one rep max is she*t
he wont do it if he cant do more than 4 reps
nanti kalau ade lagi i kasi pinjam
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