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Florian
post Nov 18 2009, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(zaxxshoxx @ Nov 18 2009, 01:28 PM)
hahahahaha.. plus when i try the bench press.. the light btol2 atas my head.. adehhh.. kacau... btw OHM depan tu kan? per entry or what?
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Uh, I meant the OHM in Batu Berendam, haven't been to the new one opposite that fancy gym.
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post Nov 18 2009, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(zaxxshoxx @ Nov 18 2009, 01:48 PM)
owh. the one in batu berendam is per entry?
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Got walk in and got memebership also, I go there walk in coz I don't go there everytime to train.
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post Nov 18 2009, 09:46 PM

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How come suddenly got so many people in Melaka wan...at first I thought only me, JonYeap and Darklight only in Melaka.
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post Nov 20 2009, 12:31 AM

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This weekend can, next weekend tak boleh...back to Penang. Everyone go to OHM in Batu berendam la, I need to do chest and back there during weekends. Hit 2 birds in 1 stone.
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post Nov 21 2009, 01:55 AM

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Something for you guys to read about soya protein.

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/20/taste-test-natto.html

In Japan, we eat soy all the time. For breakfast we have rice with natto and miso soup with tofu; for dinner we pop edamame into our mouths in between chopsticks-full of vegetables sauteed in soy sauce. I always assumed it was good for you, until I came to California and my health-conscious American friend told me that soy was actually really bad for you. So which is it?

Here's what we know about soy: unprocessed, it's a great source of digestible protein and has tons of vitamin B, calcium, and folate — all things that are good for you. It also contains isoflavones, and here's where things get tricky. Some studies prove that isoflavones are beneficial, while others have shown that it promotes breast and prostate cancer. Soy has also been called out as an agent of brain cell aging and thyroid dysfunction, too.


In her recent book The Jungle Effect, San Francisco-based physician Daphne Miller — who studied low cancer rates in Okinawa extensively — writes:
While Okinawans take in over 80 percent of their soy in a relatively unprocessed form as tofu, edamame, soy flour, soy milk, or miso, people in the United States eat a similiar percentage of their soy in a processed form. Our soy foods are heated, mashed, and denatured to create a vast array of substances ranging from Tofurky to fillers for tuna fish to ice-cream sandwiches... while whole foods offer valuable protection, concentrated or denatured derivatives of these foods are having the opposite effect.

The bottom line, at least for now, seems to be that good soy prevent cancer and bad soy might promote cancer. Good soy = tofu, soy sauce, miso, natto, edamame. Bad soy = soy protein powder, energy bars made with soy, fake hot dogs, tofurky.

A lot of Western people think natto — fermented soy bean — is gross because of it's gooey texture and stinky smell, but it's one of my favorite things to eat for breakfast. It's filled with protein and great for a post-workout snack, too. If you're still iffy about it, why not combine the foreign with the familiar and cook some natto spaghetti? The slippery texture of the pasta cuts the gooeyness a little, and in my opinion this is a gentle way to ease natto into your culinary life.

Every installment of Taste Test will explore recipes, the science, and some history behind a specific food item.
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post Nov 21 2009, 01:28 PM

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Lower back pain is not an indication for surgery unless there is loss of sensation or paralysis of lower limbs. X-ray should be taken to exclude fractures, subluxation, dislocation or any bony pathologies like spine tumor or bony metastasis of tumor to the spine.

So if it is just pain without radiological evidence of a pathology, conservative treatment is given first. ie analgesics, physiotherapy, avoidance of aggravating factors, postural changes, lifestyle changes. If symptoms are not improving, further investigations should be done eg MRI/X ray lumbosacral spine.

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post Nov 21 2009, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Bushido @ Nov 21 2009, 11:02 AM)
dudes. need some help here. i'm an avid downhiller/mountain biker.

i'm quite skinny, around 52KGs with a height of 173CM?

i have no problems building muscles on my biceps, triceps, back or stomach but i'm having problems building up the chest region. i eat a lot, as in lots of protein and carbs. workout at least 3 times a week.

oh, and i can't afford gyms. i usually do lot's of pushups and pull-ups. i realised that the sides of my chest grows but not the mid section. :l

any tips for me? thanks. (:
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Added on November 21, 2009, 1:41 pm
QUOTE(-Dan @ Nov 21 2009, 12:14 PM)
Uh, the lumbar spine.

I don't know what those two terms are, but he didn't mention them.  unsure.gif  I doubt I'll be using any weight at all if I gradually start training again as even bodyweight squats cause me to feel the pain at the lowest portion of the movement.

Alright, I'll look for that book. Thanks.

Edit: Googled the spinal structure. The pain is around the lumbar spine and the sacrum. (I think)
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Kyphosis = forward bending of spine (imagine your body bends like a K)
Lordosis = backward bending of the spine (imagine how a proud lord walks)

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post Nov 21 2009, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Nov 21 2009, 02:56 PM)
florian, urm... its not that pain anymore now, so should i consult a doctor or giv my back few days rest to conclude? (go see doct or not to)
urm... its on the 7th set 3rd rep 40kg...

1x8 bar (oly so 20kg?)
1x10 10kg
1x10 20kg
1x10 30kg
3x10 40kg
1x3 40kg

(poundage exclude bar)

rabbit weight  sweat.gif
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Have you seen a doctor before this? If you go to a government hospital, the houseman (junior doctor) will refer you to an orthopedic surgeon. But anyway, can you describe more about the pain? It's site, severity, how long ago the pain started, any radiation of the pain as in does the pain goes to anywhere of the body, does it come and go or it's always there, any specific movement makes it more/less painful, is there any trauma/injury/accident to your back or what were you doing before the pain all started? Or do you have any other symptoms like fever, headache, lost of appetite etc?

If the pain is severe or has been there for a long time ie chronic, they will take an X ray/MRI of your spine to investigate the cause of your back pain. FYI, MRI in a private hospital is very expensive.

If the pain is not severe or not interrupting you daily activities, the doc will just give you panadol (paracetamol) or maybe an additional neurobion (Vitamin B12).

QUOTE(-Dan @ Nov 21 2009, 11:02 AM)
I got an x-ray and he confirmed that I had damaged a muscle/ligament in my lower back. I got a few painkillers but they don't do much good. Been injured for nearly 3 months now. Can't do any lower body work because anything that puts my body in a squatting position or arches/curls my back to a certain degree causes a sharp pain in my lower back which goes down to the pelvic area.
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Sure confirm? FYI, you can't see muscles and ligaments in an X ray unless they are calcified. Maybe the doc saw the X ray and there's no bone problem so he said it's a soft tissue injury.

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QUOTE(bagata @ Nov 21 2009, 03:44 PM)
urm, i hurted my back yesterday while doing squat... while doing the reps, when i push up i think i went out of form, n feel a sharp pain when i push up... then i stopped training n go home rest...

after that i realise when i arched or curled my back  to certain angle i can feel the same pain...

but 2day its better, only lil bit pain...

din see any doct before, no radiation pain as its jz the back part... no history of back injury...
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Does the pain like shoot to your legs or does it just stay at your back? Now I want to lie down on your bed facing the ceiling, try if you can lift your legs by flexing your hip joint and with your knees extended, is there any pain when lifting it? Try lifting it as high as possible until you reach 90deg.

At the point of the most pain, is there any pain when you press it?

Looks like it's just some strain.

But then if you feel it really needs checking out, Melaka Hospital's orthopaedics department is really good and I think it's free. Wait you're in Melaka?

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post Nov 21 2009, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Nov 21 2009, 04:06 PM)
when wan get up, thats when the pain come...  sweat.gif
the pain is jz at the back...

urm, if its like doing leg raise, when 90degree will feel pain, else no pain at all...

press my back u mean? nop, no pain at all...

hopefully its not something serious...

yeap, imma in malacca now... but monday got exam  sweat.gif
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Well, i think it's just some strained ligaments. But then if you feel if it's worsening, just go to a doc preferably an orthopaedic surgeon, and don't forget to get an MC biggrin.gif

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post Nov 21 2009, 07:14 PM

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I feel that the carb cycling thing is lowering my lifts. I've been cutting my rice/oatmeal intake into half for the past 3 weeks I today suddenly when I do chest, lifting 60kg on incline for 8 reps felt like lifting a ton. I have been sleeping a lot for the past 1 week, 12+hours, and still I want to sleep more.
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post Nov 21 2009, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Nov 21 2009, 08:14 PM)
Sorry, but I couldn't resist highlighting that part out lol

Anyway to those of you having back problems, perhaps this will help:

http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/nlarch...r+14th%2C+2009/

http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/nlarch...r+21st%2C+2009/

http://robertsontrainingsystems.com/nlarch...mber+5th,+2009/

But anyway, lots of foam rolling or rolling with a tennis ball will definitely help. Also, focus on some glute activation work.

If your back pain does not allow you to squat or deadlift, consider alternatives such as reverse lunges, lunges, bulgarian split squats, single leg romanian deadlift etc.
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LOL, add a you somewhere in that sentence.

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QUOTE(david890701 @ Nov 21 2009, 07:54 PM)
hey malaccan, is there any gym that opens at night until 11pm?
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I wish I knew one that opens for 24 hours like McD.

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post Nov 23 2009, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 23 2009, 11:04 AM)
Florian - How's your carb rotation like ? When the carbs are high, gotta keep the fats low and vice versa.

desvaro - nice link , I almost forgot I had the videos damn. Also check out their products inside-out, magnificent mobility, bullet proof knees, indianapolis seminar, building the efficient athlete. Can be found 'online if you look hard enough.

alzaim - whole foods man .. whole foods .. or some quality whey products . The nitric oxide dilates your blood vessels, it doesn't help shuffling nutrients besides giving you a pump (which I think is a highly placebo effect).
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Not sure la, I'm "trying" as much as possible to cut down carbs towards the night, and more carbs in the morning/day, no choice, had to choose the right food to eat since I'm eating out for every meal...talked to my friends to ban McD/KFC and more of dai chao food. But I feel my pants is getting tighter...not sure if I'm getting fat or it's the creatine making me to get bloated again. But I'm starting to see veins popping out from my biceps when I'm halfway training, but not sure if that has any significance or not because I never have veins popping out from my skin while training before.

I overheard a competitive bodybuilder in Melaka talking about that fat burner lipoX to his other BBer friend. I heard it will make you awake or more energy some sort, so I thought since I'm getting these narcoleptic spells, feeling sleepy all the time, should I give lipoX a shot, it's like hitting 2 birds in 1 stone, to get myself able to keep my eyes open throughout the day to study and to help to burn these fat. I haven't tried those yet and I want to give it a try. Know anywhere to get it? They are not selling it in GNC and Ego.

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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 23 2009, 10:53 PM)
carb cycling involves high carb days, moderate carb days and low carb days. I am sure you are aware of that. Try to put your carbs in the morning and post workout. I will put up my diet plan if you are interested.

I use lipo 6 black for occasional energy jolt and I highly recommend it. But well try to use it gradually or cycle it, if you use it too often, your receptors starts to build tolerance towards it and a higher dosage is required.

where to get it ? BATA ?
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Yes, please put up your diet plan.

I heard about that alternating high and low carb days, but my daily routine won't allow me to do that...if I go low carb I will feel as if I'm going to have a seizure haha, plus food available for me can't make my daily carb intake any lower.

What I meant was I'm following what this guy is saying:


How much do those fat burners cost? I heard that 1 bottle of it won't be enough, seriously I need an energy boost, right now I have a whole chapter on acute renal failure plus cerebrovascular disease to read up and I'm feeling drowsy since 6pm, and I need to go to the hospital 8am tomorrow and class will continue until 4pm, then its shoulder day at 5pm...zzzzzzzzzzz, can't wait for the long weekends.
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 23 2009, 11:16 PM)
okay i will make it quick, it's bed time for me soon. I will post a detailed with macros when I have the time.

Sample day (today which is a low day, when the carbs are low , I will keep the fat higher) I am following Shelby Starnes's protocol exclusively, IF you are doubtful bout carb cycling working, I think I made quite some progress following it to the T for 14 weeks.

Today (low day)
meal 1 : 4 whole eggs, 4 egg whites, sauteed button mushrooms with some rosemary sprigs and kosher salt and one small salad drizzled with balsamic vinegar.
meal 2 : 6 oz of chicken , 1/3 cup of almonds+walnuts mix , 2 cups of brocolli + cauliflower in lunchbox
meal 3 : Shake consist 1 scoop of casein and 1 scoop of whey and 1/3 cup of nuts mix
meal 4 : Same as Meal 2
meal 5 : Post Training the shake but with 1 cup of oats instead
meal 6 : My crock pot beef (see above) plus pan seared okra aka lady fingers garnished with mashed whole black pepper (F*ck other pre mashed type, taste like smoke ash) and kosher salt and cumin

my low day are pretty much the same. High and med day has more carbs but it's running late. Just to give u an idea.

One bottle is more than sufficient. How far are your from the exams ? If you are looking for energy jolt, brew some coffee (what I do, refer to my nescafe ICE recipe in my tips and tricks post) or just put 2 scoops to cup with hot water and down it (I like the bitter taste of coffee, normally I add a cinammon stick and used it as a spoon for a nice aroma). Instant energy buzz at a low cost.
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Everyday is an exam day...fook continuous assessments. The problem with me in the morning when I wake up is that I can't eat that much of solid food...it'll make me vomit out everything, even chugging down oatmeal with milk and whey in the morning makes me to have gag reflex and I have to swallow them back when they reach my mouth. So to compensate that, I'll take some whey with oatmeal upon waking up, then on the 2nd meal I'll eat more...but I don't think that's a good thing to do.

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QUOTE(John91 @ Nov 23 2009, 11:46 PM)
I get you man, assignments sucks. Lucky I don't have the morning gag reflex thing.
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It's like you've just woke up, but your stomach is still not waking up yet and all the food is collecting in the esophagus, the moment in bend down or cough all the whey and oatmeal starts rushing out to my mouth. Imagine if I ate 4 eggs and a bowl of oatmeal like I'm suppose to.

Anyway does anyone know where I can get that lipo 6 black?

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QUOTE(registryeditor @ Nov 24 2009, 01:23 PM)
if you are not planning on actually cutting and you wana take those fat burners, i suggest that you just look for caffeine pills or just drink coffee pre-workout. if you look closely at the properties of the fat burners, the ingredients are usually caffeine based almost 300mg of caffeine per serving. then comes the other stuff such as synephrine, yohimbine, bark willow extract, etc.
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Actually I really want to cut, I've been continuously bulking for 4 years. I need to see what I've got without the fat. I was so embarrassed when I had to strip in front of class so that everyone can learn how to do an abdominal examination on me and my tummy is "flat" on inspection, because everyone was expecting that I have at least some visible abs. What's the product name of those caffeine pills?

A lot of sellers are in KL and I rarely go to KL. Anyone know any sellers in Melaka or in Muar? I'm going down to Muar next week, so I might be able to collect directly in Muar or Melaka coz I don't have a reliable address in Melaka.

So I read there's Lipo6, Lipo6X and Lipo 6 Black...the one with the X has that multiphase release thing, and the black one is stronger. So to those who has used them, is there any difference or which one is better?

But for me since I'm trying out for the 1st time, I think the Lipo 6X should be good to start with?

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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 24 2009, 06:34 PM)
No I have no idea (bout 125 - 150mg) besides that 300 mg is slightly high on a single dosage, I reckon 200 mg is more than sufficient and No, It doesn't require brewing that special coffee just mixing the ingredients together with a spoon in a cup or put it all in a shaker. I use instant nescafe coffee powder not some fancy special brewed coffee. I use a measuring spoon,measure and dump everything in the shaker and shake vigorously. and then I drink it. Doesn't take much time at all. I am a student pursuing my Masters while working part time, I am well aware of the importance of time.
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I tried 3 teaspoons of nescafe powder and mix with a glass of water, it's so bitter and nauseating...and I don't think 3 teaspoons is even 200mg of caffeine.
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Squats can be an ass when you are still having trapz-ache from yesterday's heavy shrugs and have to put the loaded bar on your traps for squats. Haha.

Anyway, is it normal to feel some popping sensation on the lower back spine while doing lying leg raises as my buttocks leave the bench and my hips flexed? There's no pain but I feel syok coz all the tension all released from the popping of my vertebrae.

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