The S-MS800 speakers are much warmer than the fugly black todoroki speakers (which has been arnd 3 yrs back). However, both sets uses the same 12in active subs (means it needs its own power supply), as opposed to the HTiB that are passive subs (draws its power from the all-in-one control set).

I would go for the V819 AVR, as this AVR can decode HD audio from bluray players or PS3s.

And this is not a HTiB, this is a full fledge AVR + 5.1 speakers set, which u can upgrade piece by piece (unlike HTiBs).

PS. I am using the S-MS800 speakers with an upgraded Yammy AVR.

1. Is yr subs powered with the green LED light on? This is an active sub that needs its own power.
2. Is yr Front Speakers set to LARGE? Set it to SMALL so that the AVR sends all bass frequencies to the subs and not to the fronts.
3. Is yr crossover on the sub set too high? Turn it towards the middle (lowest is 50, highest is 200, set it towards 100, if memory serves me right). Check the knobs at the back of the sub.
4. Is yr sub crossover frequency on the AVR set too high? Same as above, set it to 100. (lowest recommended is 80 if i read it right somewhere).
5. Is the phases output to yr subs mixed? Ensure that the phase is exactly the same on the AVR and the subs (usually at 0). Again, check on of the knobs at the back.
6. Is the output level on yr AVR too low?? I think u have this covered, but check again after then above.
7. Position yr subs 1 ft away from the walls, esp if its in a corner. This may help.

I have the exact same subs, and it shakes my whole living room whenever the LFE kicks in.... there is definately something wrong with yr setting.

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Added on September 9, 2009, 10:20 amThe Pioneer sub is a 30cm active powered sub...... so what's a real sub arr???

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I have nvr used a 519 before, but assumes that it will be the similar. Yr settings are all ok, so final question (sorry that i left it out)...

1. What is the volume output u set on the knob at the back?? Turn it up to the level you want it to be.

Mine is set at 50% and the bass is truly earth shattering (my AVR is at +10db too). I seriously hope that you didnt get a faulty sub, as the Pioneer AVR + Speakers are well matched.

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Added on September 9, 2009, 4:11 pmNope, it uses a RCA to RCA connector.

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Opps.... there goes my fingers moving faster than my eyes can read and my brains can decipher...

Sorry, the power is the regular 2 pin type. I see where you are driving at but reversing that affect the phase??

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Added on September 9, 2009, 10:35 pmOnce it sound good to you, keep it.

Oh yeah... u need to allow yr amp to "burn-in", it will sound much better later....

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Added on September 9, 2009, 10:39 pmMacaulay!! Great video...

MJ, RIP.

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I think that where the phase control comes into play, something to do with the way electric flows... positives and negatives.... forjot liao.....

Try it, it could work.

It depends in what type of amp you have, usually they will sound a better after one month of regular use.

I am basing this on my personal experience and am not any sifu of any kind, ok??

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Added on September 16, 2009, 6:33 pmThen it will suit you nicely, but then again, the even cheaper V518 will work ask well, as u can connect yr WDTV using the optical out.

Desa may still have a couple units lying there, last i saw it was RM699 (surely it will be cheaper by now).

This post has been edited by Poadster: Sep 16 2009, 06:33 PM

I agree, only go there when they have offers and sales, and even then compare their prices. Still, i think the V819 is priced arnd 1600 region, as is the Yammy V465 (similar spec-ed).

I think that a Pioneer AVR will be best matched with a Pioneer speakers, no?? Obviously he is wanting to sell u the other speakers he have in stock. Ask him how much for the MS800 speakers (without the sub) is, was told by several places that the MS800 speakers alone = RM1999, yes, even at Desa.

U can get the V819 + MS800 5.1 set (aka RS70) for RM2999 in Harvey Norman.

Bro,

Any pic to show what you mean here??? Interested to try the effect.... even if my set is well calibrated.

OK.... how does connect a RCA to the "out" of the sub affects the sound?? This is where i dont see the connection

Coz the AVR RCA is also "out" and it does not receives and signal back from the sub ma...

Anyway, will try to get a cheapo cable to try it out.... how much and where did u get the cable??