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post Sep 26 2010, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 07:30 PM)
What's the possibility for a doc who has graduated from a local private uni to get to do their post graduate in this John Hopkins?
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Again.. its a GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM - meaning that it is offering medical degree to graduates @ 4-years. (not for STPM/A-Levels/Matrik/Diploma/Foundation - but for Degree Holders)

Regarding POST-GRADUATE (which is different), usually medical graduates in US goes into residency program (eg specialization) after their MD (Basic Medical Degree) and then get their Board certification in their respective specialization.

I don't think we have any "Boards" for anything in Malaysia yet unlike US.

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post Sep 26 2010, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 26 2010, 07:28 PM)
Its graduate entry medical program (4 years MD program) not post graduate - it will create confusion.
Australia and UK have somewhat 'tiru' such program from US system.

Meant for more mature students.
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haha sorry, din mean to confuse others. Should had used the word postgrad a lil more carefully cos grad entry med is still undergrad.
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post Sep 26 2010, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 07:30 PM)
What's the possibility for a doc who has graduated from a local private uni to get to do their post graduate in this John Hopkins?
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If your Uni is in the WHO list, you can definitely sit for USMLE. With excellent result in USMLE you can then try to apply for residency in US. possibility of you getting a famous institution like Johns hopkins is very very low though, especially for super competitive specialties like orthopaedics, eye and ENT. these specialties will usually take home students with very good results or foreign graduates who are already consultants/specialists in their home countries.

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post Sep 26 2010, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 26 2010, 07:36 PM)
Again.. its a GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM - meaning that it is offering medical degree to graduates @ 4-years. (not for STPM/A-Levels/Matrik/Diploma/Foundation - but for Degree Holders)
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What kind of degree holders are able to apply for this GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM?
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 08:07 PM)
What kind of degree holders are able to apply for this GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM?
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It would depend on the University.Some would have certain preferences. There are certain Universities that say they will accept holders of any type of Degree.
Usually must be a Science related Degree holder For example: Biomedicine,Pharmacology,Nursing,Biochemistry and many more

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post Sep 26 2010, 08:18 PM

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in the us, they can theoritically accept anybody with a first degree, even if it is not science based.....but if so, you will need to do a bridging science programme to bring you up to speed.....

i know someone (american) who graduated in business/economics......then decided to do medicine, and did a 18 months science bridging course, and got into med school......
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post Sep 26 2010, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 08:07 PM)
What kind of degree holders are able to apply for this GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM?
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Here is the main source for John Hopkins Medical program:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/admissi...quirements.html

As with most US Medical program, applicants must have completed a Bachelors Degree program prior to even being considered for the MD program.

Regarding the specifics of what kind of Bachelors degree, that is up to the Medical school to decide.

Here some clarifications on how it works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graduate_Entry_Program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_schoo...e_United_States

GRADUATE ENTRY MEDICAL PROGRAM is not the same with POST-GRADUATE MEDICAL PROGRAM.


Added on September 26, 2010, 8:54 pm

On another note, I recalled what Limeuu stated 2 years ago:

QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 1 2008, 12:25 AM)
these info is just as it is, for info, so people know what's happening elsewhere in the world......

graduate med school is NOT gonna happen in msia, so let's move on......
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Guess he was wrong eh? how about it limeuu? medical program evolves no? even in Malaysia? laugh.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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post Sep 26 2010, 09:00 PM

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Hope that this John Hopkins do offer some specialize programs for locally graduated MD from other privated uni in M'sia.
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post Sep 26 2010, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 26 2010, 08:22 PM)
On another note, I recalled what Limeuu stated 2 years ago:
Guess he was wrong eh? how about it limeuu? medical program evolves no? even in Malaysia? laugh.gif brows.gif  brows.gif
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hasn't happen yet, so don't count your chickens yet.....

in any case, msian med schools with graduate entry programmes is not new, ie, jh is not the first.........imu has a graduate entry pathway to graduate entry pms (previously uq, now includes anu, warwick, sydney and melbourne) for a long time now....

these are all related to foreign med schools, to comply with their graduate entry system..........

let's see if a home grown msian med school will ever take this pathway........


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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 26 2010, 09:00 PM)
Hope that this John Hopkins do offer some specialize programs for locally graduated MD from other privated uni in M'sia.
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there will be no 'specialised programmes'........i am not aware of any american uni with branch campuses in other countries conducting board certification there......

ie, board certification is a process.....not a course of study........

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post Sep 28 2010, 11:24 AM

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In her speech at Cyberjaya med school yesterday, Dr. Siti Hasmah asked that doctors completing housemanship be sent to rural areas esp Sabah and Sarawak to provide adequate medical care to the ppl there. And she highlighted that this is to be done on a ROTATION basis.

And I totally agreed with her suggestion.

However, she indicated that housemanship should be carried out at bigger hospitals where the facilities and the teaching resources are more up to date for more effective training.
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I guess she was speaking from experience of her younger days of visiting the numerous clinics in the rural areas of Kedah via land rover. At that time there was no paved road, just dirt tracks.

I also do agreed with her but Bolehland is unfortunately not known for transparency and competency in implementation of good ideas. wink.gif


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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 28 2010, 01:13 PM)
I guess she was speaking from experience of her younger days of visiting the numerous clinics in the rural areas of Kedah via land rover. At that time there was no paved road, just dirt tracks.

I also do agreed with her but Bolehland is unfortunately not known for transparency and competency in implementation of good ideas.  wink.gif
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It is in the rural areas where the poor, displaced, neglected and marginalised ppl need professional medicare the most.

This is where 80% of the population are!
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 26 2010, 10:28 PM)
....these are all related to foreign med schools, to comply with their graduate entry system..........

let's see if a home grown msian med school will ever take this pathway........

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Yes, we shall see which homegrown IPTS will start their very own Graduate Entry Medicine program~
Lets wait and see~
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 28 2010, 07:36 PM)
It is in the rural areas where the poor, displaced, neglected and marginalised ppl need professional medicare the most.

This is where 80% of the population are!
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Sadly not many doctors want to work in rural areas. Doctors are just human anyway, who doesnt want Quality of Life? especially with family members and kids and all.
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QUOTE(tqeh @ Sep 28 2010, 09:40 PM)
Sadly not many doctors want to work in rural areas. Doctors are just human anyway, who doesnt want Quality of Life? especially with family members and kids and all.
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Quality of Life? The clean country air not healthier? The pace of life not less stress? Lunch time can go back to home and have healthier meals with family, not better Quality of Life?
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 29 2010, 07:53 AM)
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Quality of Life? The clean country air not healthier? The pace of life not less stress? Lunch time can go back to home and have healthier meals with family, not better Quality of Life?
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i beg to differ...

doctors in rural areas are usually overworked(due to serious lack of colleagues) till the extent that they don't really have much time to eat and sleep.
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post Sep 29 2010, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Sep 29 2010, 09:17 AM)
i beg to differ...

doctors in rural areas are usually overworked(due to serious lack of colleagues) till the extent that they don't really have much time to eat and sleep.
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Agreed, currently overworked. But the number of doctors can surely be increased to share out the responsibiliteis.
It has to be on a rotation basis for a couple of years.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 29 2010, 10:03 AM)
Agreed, currently overworked. But the number of doctors can surely be increased to share out the responsibiliteis.
It has to be on a rotation basis for a couple of years.
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increasing the total number of doctors does not help rural under service....as is evidenced in many countries, including australia.....

rotation does not work.....people posted to rural stations are usually junior doctors soon after housemanship (2-3 years seniority).....by the time they are 4-5 years seniority, they are either in some post graduate programme or in private practice, so cannot be rotated to rural areas any more....

urban-rural divide cuts through all aspects of human life, not just health care, and is a problem faced by ALL countries (with the exception of 'dot' countries like spore and hksar.....
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 29 2010, 12:53 PM)
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Quality of Life? The clean country air not healthier? The pace of life not less stress? Lunch time can go back to home and have healthier meals with family, not better Quality of Life?
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Quality of life is you can rest when u need to, u can take leave when u need to. U can go shopping when u need to, u can access mamak when u want mee goreng, and meet up with friends when u are free. Fresh air is not quality of life. And I dont think rural doctors have much of a lunch time. And if they have kids, they probably gonna be in Malay school since it's rural anyway. They'll be mingling away with the locals of different cultural backgrounds. Oh yea, and ur partner, he/she'll be lifeless too, if she's an accountant or lawyer by nature there wont be any firm for them to work in. So, where's QoL? I wonder.
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An off topic comment.

Alliance College of Medical Sciences advert:

"For the first 100 successful online applicants for medical related courses, an Apple iphone will be given free....."

Looks like there will be Mcdonald's, KFC, Pizza and JUSCO vouchers to given out in the near future.

Sure, they are taking advantage of the gomen liberalising adverts on medical and related services.

Hope the docs dont go to:

"Come for 1st appointment, 2nd appointment free!"

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