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News ISPs should pay no mind to the (bandwidth) cap, 500GB cost AUD$75(RM220)Email this to TM
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TShmmm906
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Aug 28 2009, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2009, 02:01 PM) Many reasonable people agree that these ISPs are not able to provide unlimited bandwidth. We recognise that. But what upsets many users is that, instead of creating different packages to cater to different segments like casual and heavy downloaders, instead they bundle us all together, then they cap us after we reach a certain bandiwdth cap (which seems to be 10gb for streamyx which is ridiculously low). How can the bandwidth cap be only 10gb? How exactly is this considered a heavy downloader that they set is to 10gb o_O; Another problem is throttling. It discriminately targets p2p. They don't let us use p2p at all. Nevermind the bandwidth cap, they will just throttle any p2p traffic ..... How is that fair? Why bother getting a better broadband speed if we can't use p2p? Probably the biggest is dropped packets. How can the drop packets be so damn high? For example notice that you download something, and just when it's about to finish download, suddenly it stops and the file is corrupted. This is due to dropped packets etc it's happened to me more then a few times so i am forced to re-download again.
Latency is also crap because of poor routing.
The download and upload speed we get is usually not even 80% of the advertised speed. In summary,ok if they want to set a bandwidth cap fine, as long as they make a few different packages one of which would be true highspeed broadband with unlimited bandwidth ( or a very large cap like 200-300gb or something).
Also don't discriminate against P2P. As long as we are below our bandwidth usage, don't mess with P2p 
Fix too many dropped packets, also provide better routing cause latency sucks. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27228/127/To improve broadband speeds, don't fiberise, optimise by Stuart Corner Wednesday, 26 August 2009
The local head of wide area network optimisation specialist, Riverbed Technology, has delivered a stinging attack on the government's National Broadband Network project claiming end users are unlikely to see real benefits simply from fatter pipes and that the performance of existing broadband services could be greatly improved by widespread deployment of wide area network optimisation technologies.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « "When the government says it is putting in the NBN and it is going to give blindingly fast access to everybody they are forgetting that big bandwidth does not give speed unless your fundamental problem is congestion, but if congestion is only one cause of slowness the NBN is going to do nothing for access," Steve Dixon, managing director of Riverbed for Australia and New Zealand, said.
"The government is making this promise of blindingly fast speed and there will be an awful lot of services that will see no improvement at all, so there could be a huge backlash."
"If the government were thinking intelligently instead of rolling out fibre for the next 10 years they should be saying 'let us look at this intelligently and maybe the deployment of optimisation products would meet the objectives they want and the could do it very quickly."
According to Dixon, latency combined with the very high level of dialogue inherent in Internet protocol traffic - and in many applications that operate over wide area networks - combine to restrict throughput to a fraction of the available bandwidth.
"If you have a link between Sydney and Brisbane you will have latency because of the distance, because of the tail ends and because of all the pieces of equipment the data has to go through. That latency will have a direct impact on performance. To achieve anything on that link requires data to make hundreds of thousands of round trips. The way TCP works is to send a bit wait for acknowledgement and then send a bit more.
"In an extreme case, if data were sent in 16 kilobit blocks and the round trip time was one second then no matter how fat the pipe throughput would be only 16 kilobits per second."
Dixon gave a real world example: "A large financial services company put in a one gigabit per second link between Sydney and Brisbane for data centre duplication but the maximum throughput they were getting was 24Mbps."
He added that the same company also had a problem with branch connectivity. "They were opening branches at a rapid rate but sometimes they could not get the leased lines into their buildings in less than three months. They found that plugging our [wide area network] optimisation appliance into a router with a 3G interface they were getting an [effective] 30-40Mbps. It gave them such high performance the did not need to consider putting servers in each branch." So over that 3G link they were getting better performance than over that one gig link.
Deployment and use of optimisation technology such as Riverbed's in networks that are open to public access would represent a radical departure from the way the equipment is presently used, but according to Dixon this would present no barrier to his company's technology because Riverbed appliances and software automatically discover each other if a communications session is established between.
"Our idea is that we would stick racks and racks of this stuff into data centres and if you happen to be a Riverbed customer and you access one of these sites the two boxes will discover each other and start optimising," Dixon said. "And the smart thing will be when we see it turning up in the PoPs of service providers."
However while Riverbed's technology incorporates multiple techniques for optimisation, including repackaging data into larger 'blocks' to reduce the impact of latency, it achieves its biggest gains by simply not sending most of the data.
According to Riverbed's web site: "Steelhead appliances transparently intercept and analyse all of your WAN traffic. TCP traffic is segmented, indexed, and stored as 'segments' of data, and the 'references' representing that data are stored on disks within Steelhead appliances on both sides of your WAN. Once the data has been indexed, it is compared to data already on the disk. Segments of data that have been seen before are not transferred across the WAN again; instead a reference is sent in its place that can index arbitrarily large amounts of data, thereby massively reducing the amount of data that needs to be transmitted. One small reference can refer to megabytes of existing data that has been transferred over the WAN before. Data Streamlining is highly scalable, with peak data reduction ratios that can be as high as a 100:1, and sometimes even higher."
This technique is likely to me more effective in a corporate network - where the same data in modified forms flows back and forth across the network many times - than in the public Internet.
Dixon acknowledged that Riverbed's technology had to have previously 'seen' content before to deliver the full optimisation, but suggested that its installation at 'staging points' in service provider networks, close to end users, would greatly improve performance simply through its ability to mitigate the affects of latency over the long haul sections of communications links.
This post has been edited by hmmm906: Aug 28 2009, 02:15 PM
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TShmmm906
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Aug 28 2009, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2009, 03:44 PM) hmmm906 @ are you saying the incomplete download and dropped packets is becaue tmnut is using this riverbed technology? Explain  No. I mean they need network optimisation.
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andrew9292
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Aug 28 2009, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2009, 04:37 PM) Their routing is so shoddy so how? I seriously doubt they have the personnel competent enough for optimization. So their only solution is to throttle and hope for the best -.-; They have, if not why those corporate buildings, factories, offices using SOHO or business packages can get such great speed? They have and they can do it, but.......it's not available to us.......
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robertngo
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Aug 28 2009, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 28 2009, 04:37 PM) Their routing is so shoddy so how? I seriously doubt they have the personnel competent enough for optimization. So their only solution is to throttle and hope for the best -.-; well the riverbed wan optimization will be great for http tranffic, caching popular site will allow much better utilization of tmnut limited international line, but stuff like gaming i dont believe will gain much speed on this.
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SUSautoman5891
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Mar 28 2010, 05:52 PM
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bump for exposure
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ahtung79
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Mar 28 2010, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(andrew9292 @ Aug 28 2009, 08:49 PM) They have, if not why those corporate buildings, factories, offices using SOHO or business packages can get such great speed? They have and they can do it, but.......it's not available to us....... name me 10...hmmm no need 10 laaa, only one enuff...engineer/consultant/expert in TM, which i guarantee already have the ccie (or wutever highest industry cert), that really have experience managing (with hands-on) other public broadband network (other successful ISP) prior to TM... for me, for this kinda job, u really need a few experts WITH same industry experience working together with internal TM engineers...
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