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 Regarding the DACRE Airtaxi, the one that crashed in Taiping

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SUSMark_Renton
post Aug 19 2009, 02:26 PM, updated 17y ago

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i cant help but thinking about the AIRTAXI. i am not sure if you seen the picture but yeh whole aircraft design looked aerodynamically unstable. the bdoy was bulbous and the wing is set up high. the rudder will be taking alot of turbulance resulting in it being not that effective for manouvers. i took some fluid mech once and i tested a few fuselage design back in the days.

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do you think we will actually ever be ready for an aero taxi. dont you think the cost will be prohibitive? plus post 911 do you think the people at the DCA will let these tiny jet planes zoom around in towns? i think the idea while novel is a bit foolhardy.

what do you guys think?

is the airplane design sound?
is there really a market for such taxi services?


btw.. mods.. i think this fits here because it got to do with aviation and future transports. if you think otherwise please move it somewhere. thanks
ZeratoS
post Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM

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Could fit in RWI also though. Personally, I think that it won't be popular amongst the majority. Look at it this way, for mantainence costs and fuel as well as jacking up the prices to cover their initial investment into this venture ;

Do you think that (so happens if) this were to enter the market, people can afford its price? I'm pretty sure its going to be expensive, and people are already aprehensive about taxis in general. If anything, only the extremely well to do and upper classmen can afford it. Lets face it, it may be a novel idea, but for those investing in this concept, its all about money.
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post Aug 19 2009, 03:13 PM

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That is why he moved to this country to develop, the idea is good unless it look like those in the sci-fi movie, vertical take off, no need wing like helicopter but to make taxi like helicopter.

Unreal and perhaps the inventor have decided to scrap, so die with it otherwise how to recover the cost? Just joking, I admire these people, one of them will succeed and this one failed.

It reminded me of the consequences I am facing trying to push a daring approach, the trade is wasted my entire life efforts for a job.

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SUSMark_Renton
post Aug 19 2009, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 19 2009, 02:44 PM)
Could fit in RWI also though. Personally, I think that it won't be popular amongst the majority. Look at it this way, for mantainence costs and fuel as well as jacking up the prices to cover their initial investment into this venture ;

Do you think that (so happens if) this were to enter the market, people can afford its price? I'm pretty sure its going to be expensive, and people are already aprehensive about taxis in general. If anything, only the extremely well to do and upper classmen can afford it. Lets face it, it may be a novel idea, but for those investing in this concept, its all about money.
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the way oild price is going up these days and the future i dont see the idea even taking off ( pun intended). we already have helos for short hopping. why bother making short distance airplane with h jet engine. i think small prop planes would already suffice.


QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 19 2009, 03:13 PM)
That is why he moved to this country to develop, the idea is good unless it look like those in the sci-fi movie, vertical take off, no need wing like helicopter but to make taxi like helicopter.

Unreal and perhaps the inventor have decided to scrap, so die with it otherwise how to recover the cost? Just joking, I admire these people, one of them will succeed and this one failed.

It reminded me of the consequences I am facing trying to push a daring approach, the trade is wasted my entire life efforts for a job.
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i think the Osprey fits the bill. is the helicopter that could transition from a helo into a fixed wing aircraft through tilt rotor technology. that is why i wonder how this guy even gets funding for his idea. its a novel idea but i just dont see the market for it.

RIP anyway.
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post Aug 19 2009, 03:26 PM

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Which is why it is novel yes, but realistic? No.
bgeh
post Aug 20 2009, 03:40 AM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 19 2009, 03:26 PM)
Which is why it is novel yes, but realistic? No.
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Actually if you checked out The Times' article, they have a quote from him that presents a somewhat realistic business case for the airtaxi:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6798198.ece

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Avcen claimed that Jetpods would enable quick, quiet and cheap travel to and from cities, making it possible, for example, to travel the 24 miles from Woking, Surrey, to Central London in just four minutes. Because it could make so many trips, fares for a flight from Heathrow to Central London could cost about £40 or £50.

In an interview a few years ago Mr Dacre said: “We see it as very much a ‘park and fly’ concept. You drive to a pick-up site, get on the aircraft, and off you go. But people shouldn’t think that these things are going to be whizzing around crashing into each other. They’ll be following set routes.

“Jetpods are meant to be a workhorse, a taxi cab in the air, for on-demand free-roaming traffic. We know that cities like Moscow, Tokyo and New York are crying out for something like this, and there’s nothing remotely like it at the moment.”


Even if you account for the higher fuel prices today, 100 quid for a short flight is vastly cheaper compared to the equivalent helicopter flight:

http://www.aircraft-charter.co.uk/Helicopter_Charter.html
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:23 AM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 20 2009, 03:40 AM)
Actually if you checked out The Times' article, they have a quote from him that presents a somewhat realistic business case for the airtaxi:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle6798198.ece
Even if you account for the higher fuel prices today, 100 quid for a short flight is vastly cheaper compared to the equivalent helicopter flight:

http://www.aircraft-charter.co.uk/Helicopter_Charter.html
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That is, if people actually use the service. It boils down to reality. In theory it might be awesomely epic, but man, your average joe ain't going to pay for such a service. Probably the middle-upper classmen will and those of the elite already have their own personal transport. But who knows eh? I could be very wrong and this could turn out to be a greater hit than any of us would expect.
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post Aug 20 2009, 04:30 AM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 20 2009, 04:23 AM)
That is, if people actually use the service. It boils down to reality. In theory it might be awesomely epic, but man, your average joe ain't going to pay for such a service. Probably the middle-upper classmen will and those of the elite already have their own personal transport. But who knows eh? I could be very wrong and this could turn out to be a greater hit than any of us would expect.
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No, there would be a huge market for this for business class-travellers who are almost always short of time, and one of the quickest ways to save time is eliminate traffic jams, hence using air. A lot of helicopter leasing companies work on this model; that corporations decide that the time of their executives is much more valuable to justify the cost of the helicopter lease, although most of us would think it's absolutely crazy for that price. If the airtaxi were able to undercut the cost by a significant amount I don't see why this wouldn't work. Hence the target cities, which are all financial capitals of the world.

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post Aug 20 2009, 04:38 AM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 20 2009, 04:30 AM)
No, there would be a huge market for this for business class-travellers who are almost always short of time, and one of the quickest ways to save time is eliminate traffic jams, hence using air. A lot of helicopter leasing companies work on this model; that corporations decide that the time of their executives is much more valuable to justify the cost of the helicopter lease, although most of us would think it's absolutely crazy for that price. If the airtaxi were able to undercut the cost by a significant amount I don't see why this wouldn't work. Hence the target cities, which are all financial capitals of the world.
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If you put it that way, then yes I suppose it will work. I was viewing on a more regular community and didn't have companies in mind. Yes, I think it would be a justifiable expenditure simply to save time, because in the working world, time is all that important no?
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post Aug 20 2009, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 20 2009, 04:30 AM)
No, there would be a huge market for this for business class-travellers who are almost always short of time, and one of the quickest ways to save time is eliminate traffic jams, hence using air. A lot of helicopter leasing companies work on this model; that corporations decide that the time of their executives is much more valuable to justify the cost of the helicopter lease, although most of us would think it's absolutely crazy for that price. If the airtaxi were able to undercut the cost by a significant amount I don't see why this wouldn't work. Hence the target cities, which are all financial capitals of the world.
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i see your POV but how about the possible security concern. Imagine 7 terrorist hijacking these mini cab and decided to recreate 911 on a small scale. already in New York they are now trying to pass a law to limit the number of air traffic,. 2 weeks ago a helo and a light planed crashed mid air and fell into the hudson river

do you still believe that the requisite premit will be given in such unstable climate?


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post Aug 20 2009, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Mark_Renton @ Aug 20 2009, 03:11 PM)
i see your POV but how about the possible security concern. Imagine 7 terrorist hijacking these mini cab and decided to recreate 911 on a small scale. already in New York they are now trying to pass a law to limit the number of air traffic,. 2 weeks ago a helo and a light planed crashed mid air and fell into the hudson river

do you still believe that the requisite premit will be given in such unstable climate?
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Quite simple answer really: The planes are simply too small to cause much damage at all. Sure, it'll penetrate the building, and probably kill whoever's in the direct path, but it'll be stopped pretty quickly by the first concrete wall. So no, 9/11 concerns are frankly quite small here.

You use the example of the hudson crash. Can I ask you then, do you remember the previous crash prior to the hudson crash? Does it happen very often?

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