Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V30!, The Orange Legion
Photography The Sony Alpha Thread V30!, The Orange Legion
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Aug 28 2009, 10:08 AM
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All Stars
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i cannot express my elation for the new bodies enough
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Aug 28 2009, 02:01 PM
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All Stars
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why not? the snoot a.k.a. alien gun allows you to shoot a concentrated blast of light at the subject and with high shutter speed, you can black out the background....
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Aug 28 2009, 04:00 PM
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i'm waiting for the Exmor R technology to appear on DSLRs though. the W and Tseries cybershots already have them. lets see how the PnS fares first.
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Aug 28 2009, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Aug 28 2009, 05:48 PM) u can set ur WB using 3 methods right? you are moving in the correct direction.1) The camera preset WB (AWB, daylight, tungsten, etc) 2) Using specific Kelvin temperature 3) Custom WB using grey card The easiest will be option 1) but probably not so accurate. The most accurate will be 2) and 3). (3) u may need a grey card). So why 1) not so accurate? AWB is always guessing ur lighting temp so that explains it. When u use the preset tungsten, it may be it at 2600k ( i dunno) but ur temp is actually 3000k tungsten. option 2) is accurate if u know ur lighting temp very well. eg: my home tungsten light is 2900k. regarding, M1-M9 that I am unsure You found that using flash will give more accurate WB is because u know ur flash temp is 5500k and u set it at 5500k.....u can get accurate WB if u know ur lighitng temp well too So what is a color filter for? Situation:you are in a tungsten lighting environment and u are using a flash right? Flash only(u will set WB to FLASH or 5500k): your subject will be lit with 5500k ligthing from ur flash and the background will be tungsten (say 2800k)... result: ur background WB may be wrong right? because it is not 5500k Flash with flash gel (orange) - you will set WB to tungsten/2800k) your subject will be lit with ur flash+flash gel (2800k) and the background is tungsten (2800k) result: ur background WB will be the same as ur subject WB right? so u will have accurate color for both background and subject Sorry for the long long post...correct me if i`m wrong. for instance = this image; ![]() see that blue flare down there? its the flash firing at 5500k when i had set the white balance to 2000k to counter the orange lights of sunway pyramid's parking lot. grave mistake there, should have set the WB to about 5000k then use the RAW converter to properly manage the WB instead of suiting the WB of the car to ambient light, if you can get what i mean XD. in other words, set the WB for YOUR subject, not set the WB for the ambient. well. learnt from big mistake there This post has been edited by kev da man: Aug 28 2009, 06:21 PM |
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Aug 28 2009, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Aug 28 2009, 07:34 PM) kev da man: Blue car lights are cool what. yeah, but a big slip up from me meant that i set the WB for the ambient T_Tthe car is that red, anyways, so no problems with super saturation XD for instance = ![]() then again, any ways to reduce that internal flaring besides throwing away the kit lens? it's getting irritating sometimes when a shot is nailed but there's flaring >.< |
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Aug 28 2009, 10:23 PM
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Aug 29 2009, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(hkhk @ Aug 29 2009, 12:54 AM) I guess u shoot with a filter on your kitlens?? Try remove that filter and see.. or.. use a better filter with better coating.. QUOTE(albnok @ Aug 29 2009, 04:23 AM) kev da man: Even the best filters give you a bit of ghosting (but no flare.) Honestly the kit lens has excellent flare control as it is so it can do without a filter. filter on/off i do get the same thing. prolly duds i guess. this is on the SAL75300. filter off. ![]() |
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Aug 30 2009, 02:05 PM
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SAL75300
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Aug 31 2009, 01:17 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « i'm sure the owners would prefer to have blank car plates This post has been edited by kev da man: Aug 31 2009, 01:17 PM |
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Sep 1 2009, 10:17 AM
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cheapo optical triggers will only trigger when you set your flash to fill-in. tak ngam with wireless. in fact, 100% non-sony stuff cannot be triggered using our wireless system, except if you have those radio units.
oh yeah, ianho = http://alphatracks.com/archives/144 This post has been edited by kev da man: Sep 1 2009, 10:19 AM |
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Sep 1 2009, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(MemorableStudios @ Sep 1 2009, 09:56 AM) yeah bro.. time to *upgrade* to DxO optics Pro.. excellent in NR... plus using the settings VIVID 0 0 +3 -2 -1 (i prefer not to saturate the colors too much).. ISO1600 is a dream to use... only funny thing is, the Details (noise reduction features) are not available for JPEG files.. if shoot in JPEG, Lightroom is the way to go.. if RAW, it is DxO Optics Pro... well, the EXMOR-Rs are already in cybershots, which i am itching to try. they supposedly live up to expectations, so i'm having above average hopes for them. For the A500/550, it is using a new hardware design based on DxO consultancy.. which resulted in superior ISO performance... unfortunately for A850, it is not developed yet.. the aim is for a cheaper FF model to kill the Canon 5D MKII... need to wait for the A900 replacement model to see better ISO performance and hopefully full featured HD video shooting with excellent AF & exposure control... CMOS EXMOR-R sensors still have issues (even with the handycams implementations), that is why not yet introduced in Alphas... QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 1 2009, 11:03 AM) The F20 doesn't work as wireless slaves out of the box unfortunately. sifu, optical slave mode in fill-flash trigger only right? |
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Sep 1 2009, 11:32 AM
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i have had experience with the EXMOR-R handycams, and its obvious; if you are wearing night vision goggles and someone were to shine a torch at you, you'd be blinded too, which is why i'm waiting for the cyber-shot models which incorporate the sensor to get a tasting of it first.
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Sep 1 2009, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(MemorableStudios @ Sep 1 2009, 11:43 AM) yeap.. and some daylight outdoor issues as well... give Sony some time,, from some images taken on A550/500 they have really improved the circuite wise... after DxO intervention... well, if the consultation by DxO is a success, then i can abandon my dreams for a D700 and focus on collecting all the CZ glass already HAHAHADxO also provide consultation to Nikon,, now we can see a level playing field,,, |
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Sep 1 2009, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 1 2009, 12:34 PM) kev da man: Yep as you see it DxO 5.3.4 makes the A900 look a lot better. well, testing the XR520E using its low light sensitivity mode, i realize that the camcorder is easily overwhelmed by bright points of light in the dark, although this is easily attributed to the fact that the sensor still has a dynamic range limit. it takes a moment for it to adjust to the lights, and i have not encountered any problems with bright lights in daylight. this is a camcorder though, and the sensor would have been tuned by sony for video recording purposes anyways, so i'm not expecting such problems to occur on DSLRs in the future. but hell yeah, since sampling the EXMOR-R, i won't look at cameras without this excellent sensor Er, what problems do Exmor R have with bright lights? Any links? What I've seen so far is superb stuff. Excellent ISO1600 on a compact! downloading the trial version of DxO now QUOTE(MemorableStudios @ Sep 1 2009, 12:59 PM) cant remember the source, but it did put me off from buying the Handycam XR520V... coz I do video shooting as well... the low light is excellent no doubt.. but some sensor issue in bright lights or something... Sony do intend to implement the R sensor into DSLR.. but not until they perfect it yet... 5.3.4 build 7393 is out DxO v5.3.3 onwards supports A900... on torrent only v5.3.2... damn... v5.3.5 just released to support A850.. can anybody point me to an image editing program which supports ARW? am using paint.net currently, no plugins so far. This post has been edited by kev da man: Sep 1 2009, 01:47 PM |
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Sep 1 2009, 01:49 PM
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not surprised there, it is a high performance APS-C camera designed to slot in between the 50d and the 1DmkIII anyways
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Sep 1 2009, 04:01 PM
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Sep 1 2009, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(electron @ Sep 1 2009, 04:38 PM) i thought to use CLS, you need to get the transmitter (or something like that) no, you don't have to. Nikon bodies like the D90 and D200 is able to communicate with any SB-600/800/900 using the onboard flash. of course, with the add-on you are able to control the flashes from further distances, but i'd still prefer radio triggers for their versatility. optical triggers can't see through the walls of a home, for instance.unlike sony where as long as the flash support wireless flash, the body can directly trigger it compared to our wireless flash system, sony is still better. on the f42, i just cycle the flash mode to wireless, or set it on camera then pull the flash out. with nikon, i've got to press two buttons on the sb-600 for 5 seconds, cycle through the internal menu, turn wireless flash on, press the same two buttons again, then set the group and channel (for some INANE REASON it always ends up in group 3, channel A). on the D200, you'll have to go to the custom settings, flash, pop-up flash and select wireless. two words - horse rice if you're a nikonian. i get to strobist the model way before you can set your flash - and i can do it without using two hands. |
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Sep 1 2009, 05:27 PM
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as i said, i have already started to shoot when you are still fiddling with your settings.
no doubt, i love nikon's dual dial system, but something as simple as their much-purpoted CLS could do with a more refined menu. |
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Sep 1 2009, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Sep 1 2009, 05:30 PM) ooh meaning that u can set it to wireless either 1) setting flash to wireless 2) set it on camera then pull out the flash? wow....i didn't know that, i always put my flash onto my camera then set it to wireless and remove it ..hmmm QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 1 2009, 05:53 PM) kev da man: The SB-900 is just, just a bit less of a hassle, going from WL to fill-flash - you need to change the mode dial from Slave to On, before mounting it and then locking it. I don't like the activation process for WL on the body either - you need to dive into the menu. With Sony you just change your flash mode to WL. I love how with Sony flashes, if it is in WL Slave (for the F58, specifically RMT or RMT2), and you mount it on, it automatically becomes standard fill-flash. With Nikons you have an extra step (or two, if you count flipping the lock.) I've a feeling you will like the A700's dual dials, too! i had tried the a700 before, but somehow Nikon still seams to lead the pack in ergonomics - at least for me. but yeah, having dual control dials makes on the fly exposure settings too simple - not that i trust the metering in the first place!! ahhaa |
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Sep 1 2009, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Sep 1 2009, 06:22 PM) speaking of nikon and sony WL flash?? ask me ahha..i have both lol!...i like nikon more...i can set my pop up flash to 0 power and only fire the wireless flash. So my picture would only be lit up with the wireless flash. On a sony..u cant..but i remember albnok told me u have to set the shutter speed and something else... sony? the onboard flash does not interrupt with the overall exposure, at least not on my a200. the pre-ADI sends out the information to the flashgun before the actual exposure is fired, so your onboard flash does not influence the final output, at least not in my shots.for example, at the KLPF = ![]() ![]() i think i was the only in the fair actively shooting with wireless flash top is 1/25 f5.6, ISO400 with full flash power from left side of the frame, nothing else, bottom is 1/80 f5.6, same ISO. QUOTE(albnok @ Sep 1 2009, 06:28 PM) kev da man: You can set the front dial or rear dial to change EV on the A700-A900. which is why i said, to each his own as ergonomics is a personal question I disagree with your comment on ergonomics, as I strongly value being able to operate the camera with the right hand alone. The D100-D300 series means you need to use your left hand to change things like ISO and Drive mode. Also, Quick Navi is not enabled by default - if it is, you can press the ISO button and it will NOT go into a separate screen, but lets you change the setting while seeing all other settings. |
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