QUOTE(Alan Soo @ Sep 21 2009, 04:22 PM)
i just point out one of the common reason of popping floor, hope u wont toh i was trying to cover the developer.
at my previous working place, and one of my fren's house. their floor tile also pop out, but due to the buidling already more than 10 years, that's y my fren and my ex- boss didnt complaint to management. my ex company is a class A contractor listed in KLSE, i ask my enginner collegue the reason of poping floor tiles b4. thats y i share my experience.
i better keep silent regarding the legal suit, cos i really lack of ledge knowledge, hope u wont mind the opinion i give b4.
Alamak my dear friend,
I already ask u to read me in friendly tone. I only read into substance and your real ID it is not the issue at all!
The popping is really "popping" popping, which is highly unusual, couple with the deep rift in the slab, and compare with YSMN, i said yours is sufficient but not abundant... Sufficient means Good, Abundant means perfect...
see u again
Who is YSMN? AND what he wrote?
http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...r=asc&start=575ysmn
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:28 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Without looking at the architectural & structural plan i'm just guessing that while it's structurally sound including piling, the architectural finishes are not adhering due to excessive structural deflection.
This is quite common when structural engineers rely solely on computer models, and architects do not appreciate structures.
For non engineers and non architects, at a risk of oversimplifying, it's likely that the structure and foundation are sound.
Usually any structure will have a certain degree of flexibility/deflection which is necessary in order that it does not snap.
However architectural finishes need a certain level of structural stiffness, otherwise the finishes will buckle under too much bending of the structure resulting in lifting of the floor finishes. Of course how much rigidity required depends on type of finishes system selected.
For example, if the slab and joints are more flexibile, then the finishes need to be less rigid.
You would appreciate this better if you paid attention, understood and remember your form 5 add maths and physics.
I'm not saying this is what happened at Heron, but it is probable if the engineer relied on computer modelling without much human skill & judgement nor appreciation of architectural finishes, and/or the architect didn't have a good understanding of how structures affect the selection of finishes; and the developer/contractor had not employed really good guys or did not allow them to do their jobs.
It makes a good case study for academic research but is no fun for owners and end users.
Most likely cause is too much structural deflection for the system of finishes selected.
To simplify, a timber finish on timber would be ok with higher structural deflection, but not a more rigid floor finish on a cement:sand screed base.
So a structure may be sufficient for the type of foundation and loads, but yet may not be rigid enough for the type of finishes selected.
This is also the next big headache for another project in KL that has been delayed for quite sometime which I mentioned earlier.
As Cannot Tahan very correctly wrote, one could seek damages in Tort, but the process could be more complicated than plaintifs might be willing to pursue.
Very interesting academic case study for the observer and researcher (architectural, engineering & law) but no fun for those directly affected.
I cannot say the same will happen with Zest, but the Developer should have learnt from experience by now.
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This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 21 2009, 07:52 PM 
Sep 20 2009, 07:03 PM
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