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 Stock Market V37: Return of the Bull, Part V, Bull vs. Bear

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post Aug 12 2009, 05:17 PM

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Guess what? My paper gain today drop $18K+... sad.gif
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post Aug 12 2009, 05:19 PM

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Don't be like that lar! 18K is a lot ler... in one day...

QUOTE(Neo18 @ Aug 12 2009, 05:18 PM)
sap sap sui for u la!!!

when ur paper gain drop 180k then only start panic
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post Aug 12 2009, 05:45 PM

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Used to be low, but after few rounds of average up, now is 0.816... cry.gif

QUOTE(claricecmw @ Aug 12 2009, 05:34 PM)
Just wondering, what is the avg buy price of ur KNM....
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post Aug 12 2009, 05:51 PM

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I'm looking at long term... Short term anything can happen. sweat.gif

QUOTE(espree @ Aug 12 2009, 05:50 PM)
ohmy.gif u r so confident notworthy.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 08:52 AM

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Good that you change your avatar. No more time bomb for KLCI! tongue.gif

QUOTE(espree @ Aug 13 2009, 08:48 AM)
Good morning..
Huat ar !! biggrin.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 08:56 AM

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KNM I don't think can move much... Foreign fund still disposing...

QUOTE(Mikiyo @ Aug 13 2009, 08:53 AM)
KNM gonna jump a few tick this morning! come on!!! reach 90 cent fast fast rclxms.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:07 PM

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Cherroy Tai Kor always gives very good advice"! thumbup.gif
I'm still hibernating... yawn.gif yawn.gif yawn.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 13 2009, 04:01 PM)
In stock market, what investors most concern is the ability of the company generate profit, not about what they owned (important also, but more secondary).

Just like BAT has nothing in their book, but every year it can generate lot of profit and dividend to its shareholders, which make lot of people want to own it eventually higher share price.

So back to a property company, it might have lot of land, but those just vacant land which generate nothing to the company, so investors are less interest compared to BAT as above example, so lower share price.
The situation is as same as a shoplot, you can own a shoplot at 500K but no tenant, so even at your book worth 500K, it is a liabilities as it generate nothing while need to pay quit rent and assessment every year. So it is not right for investors to buy the equivalent 500K bookvalue (or NTA) althought those properites might have potential for appreciation.
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:14 PM

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Got value, just that it is like putting gold under the bed. If gold appreciate, and you sell it, you'll get 1 time gain. The value doesn't generate constant income...



QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 13 2009, 04:11 PM)
IF lands in KL and PJ got no value, whereas got VALUE ONE ?
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:22 PM

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My term of hidden value is potential of generating more constant revenue instead of one time gain. biggrin.gif
In other words, I'm looking for growth. E.g. Latexx is growing very fast, so I see hidden value in it. blush.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 13 2009, 04:17 PM)
It is termed as hidden value by W Buffet icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:27 PM

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Buy BJTOTO-CD brows.gif brows.gif
Very high gearing! drool.gif

QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 13 2009, 04:21 PM)
swapping my reits for BTOTO. Queueing.

come come, give to me!
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:30 PM

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ok! I'll stop talking.

QUOTE(nujikabane @ Aug 13 2009, 04:29 PM)
You said you are not discussing warrants here anymore, liar! LOL Jk tongue.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 04:32 PM

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Buy Proton! Very high NTA. brows.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 13 2009, 04:26 PM)
Now i only know lands in Sarawak do not worth that much bcos

people treasure Latexx more. hmm.gif
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I only like productive land, not idle/waste land. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 13 2009, 04:36 PM)
sad thing if you do not know the power of the LAND.

And we are in BOLEHLAND. whistling.gif
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Fajar propose private placement??? I wonder why since I read their got plenty cash...
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post Aug 14 2009, 07:30 AM

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For those that holding REITs, better hold tight tight now. Last round after OSK REITs roadshow in Northen region, the REITs start to rally. Now, M2U has a roadshow in central region (I think much smaller scale), REITs counters may move up more. I think the main audience will be those that "invest" in ASM and FD or those entering retirement age... Current dividend yield still around 9% as compared to "good days" 12%. Anyway, still better than putting in FDs or ASM... Even better than EPF... hmm.gif

QUOTE(mopster @ Aug 13 2009, 11:50 PM)
ahh finished reading today's posts...
Bstead got some attention lol..

TM, MBB, SEALINK interim report coming out this month..
I will take profit on TM if there is no dividend..  sweat.gif  hopefully thats not the case

Thinking of betting on SEALINK before the interim result is out...  hope it wont sink..  tongue.gif

Im still digesting MBB's analyst briefing, hopefully can decide whether to buy by Monday..
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p...vestorRelations

MBB is holding REITs Retail Roadshow 2009
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p...d=/mbb/Personal
(im not working or advertising for them)  tongue.gif

hmm.gif  Rambutan is falling off the tree, get more in anticipation for next month's interim report ?
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LCL main problem is whether they can collect their debts or not... Other than that, I don't see much problem... Cancelling projects are common and as long as they manage to top up back with new project, then is ok. If they can't collect their debts, there will be major write off... I hope I'm wrong... The one and only reason why I dump LCL after it rise so much.

Zaman! Scomi rights issue! As I told you last week! brows.gif
LCL will be next if the price fly to certain level!

QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 13 2009, 11:54 PM)
can LCL fly that high ?

Tiara United Project in DUBAI still a problem and impact on their Financial.
How this is good for LCL?

By judging at it, LCL rise in late is purely SPECULATION.
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Added on August 14, 2009, 7:43 amBuying REITs is very different from buying other stocks. You don't buy with the aim of capital gain (even though we like capital gain), we buy for dividend for constant stream of income. So, if you find the dividend yield meet your criteria, then buy. Of course, need to see also other things like the diversification of the REITs and the gearing (which I think are more important). Last month I ask quite a few friends that doesn't really play stocks to buy REITs instead of ASM. My favourite REITs still Axreit and Hektar (some minor dissapointment with Q2 result). Maybe I'm a bit bias as I didn't really study other REITs in detail.

QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 14 2009, 07:33 AM)
Axreit still ok to buy? Or you have any recommendation?
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post Aug 14 2009, 07:50 AM

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I welcome all TA or FA ppl to join this forum. Good to hear new opinion or ideas! rclxms.gif
If you don't want to put the link there, you can PM me your blog address. I'll sure visit it. tongue.gif
Already more than 2 mths since I wanted to learn about TA, but always end up yawn.gif yawn.gif yawn.gif Maybe I'm getting too old. doh.gif

QUOTE(NewTrader @ Aug 14 2009, 07:43 AM)
Thanks for the feedback.

I just started playing with blog recently and found it's easy for me to
remember my trading plan for the following day.

Recently, I was introduced to forum and also first time involved in it...so I'm quite new
to the forum and I can't think of a better approach to share my view on the day trading activities.
Or, shortcut to express my view to these forum with those jpeg image and description.
Furthermore, some of the views are continuation analysis process.

That's why I use the blog website address to link those interested to view more about it.

Just to share my view not "self-fish reason".

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post Aug 14 2009, 08:06 AM

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RI is to raise capital. Good or bad is depends on how the company going to use the money for... Personally, I don't like RI unless it is from a high growth company.

QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 14 2009, 07:52 AM)
Thanks for your view on REITs. I do plan to hold some counters giving me really good div so that I can still collect money no matter what.(as I mentioned earlier, I want to retire or semi-retire early).

Regarding Scomi RI, is it good news or bad news? I see recently whenever RI is announced, the stocks surged
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post Aug 14 2009, 08:08 AM

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If I want to earn all the money, I won't be sharing in this forum. icon_rolleyes.gif
BTW, can teach me how to earn all the money in the market? drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 14 2009, 07:56 AM)
My advice is DO NOT EARN ALL THE MONEY IN THE MARKET ( if you learn all and everything )

Leave some for us to earn brows.gif
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Added on August 14, 2009, 8:11 amI'm not really interested in RI, so didn't check in detail... it is also one of the reason why I dumped all my scomi...
You may find the info in Bursa website if it already determine the ratio.

QUOTE(dilla @ Aug 14 2009, 08:08 AM)
Any idea what will be the ratio for SCOMI RI
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At last my Coastal performing... Yeah!

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