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post Aug 18 2009, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 01:32 PM)
Honestly, I have not played around with too many BD players to pass judgement.

I do know this though, the Oppo BD83 if not compared to anything, has good 2 channel stereo for CD as well. However, when compared to my standalone Holfi modified Xara CD player, the Xara sounds more musical and less digital.

That should be the case, it shouldnt better a dedicated CD, however i still can buy the idea if its "close proximity" base on Oppo 83's est. 3K against some dedicated CD of similar pricing !!

I will probably have to borron ron's pioneer to test out side by side to see if I can judge the sound for 2 channel stereo.

PQ, I believe most people will not be able to see the difference between the BD60, Pioneer, PS3 or Oppo for Blu Ray. It is not too different, unless you have a big screen (>50in, more apparent in >80in, still very little) and you really really really look for them.

For SD upconversion, yeah you will see differences. I believe the Pioneer BD LX52 and Oppo are pretty good (better than PS3 and Pioneer DV600 DVD player)

I have played around on the BD60, Marantz (1.1), Oppo BD83, PS3, briefly the Pioneer 51FD and the older BD35. Also ron's LX52 very briefly.
Any idea on Pana's big brother BD-80
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Finally we are getting in to something that should enlighten potential BD buyers
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post Aug 18 2009, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 02:17 PM)
moomos, when u come over to penang, let me know, u can judge for yourself and make a decision if the Oppo is good enuf for your 2 channel stereo pleasure.

Also I have not seen or meddled with the BD80, I am not even sure u can get it in Malaysia.
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thank you for your utmost valuable time, advise and thanks for your invitation too....
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post Aug 18 2009, 02:30 PM

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bro anfield, r you a dealer

ps : can you get the Oppo if i confirmed the pick??
thanks

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post Aug 18 2009, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 02:38 PM)
I'm afraid I cannot help get the Oppo for you but I can point you in the right direction (Spore).

I got mine in the early adoption plan after the beta testing was completed. It was sent to a US address and used there by a friend before sending over to Malaysia.

Also I am not a dealer for anything. Its a more of a hobby...
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so to bother...
you have the singapore dealer contact and roughly the estimated price FOB or is it CIF malaysia
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post Aug 18 2009, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 03:00 PM)
I posted this in the earlier thread. Anyway, sent u a PM on the contact. SLT Technologies in Spore.
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thanks
emailed them adi, see how good is their customer service ( there are well known too for that)


Added on August 18, 2009, 6:14 pmit seems that the BD-live, will enable one to view free movies online in the near future
( anyone can confirm )

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 18 2009, 06:14 PM
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post Aug 19 2009, 03:37 PM

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Below 2 pix of pioneer BDP-320 and BDP-LX52 notice any difference besides the RS232 board at top left corner and another small IC by the Left side

[attachmentid=1146743] BDP-320

[attachmentid=1146744] BDP-LX52

Seems overall performance the 52 beats the 320 DVD upscalling, Bluray AQ/PQ and a big margin on 2 channel stereo rclxub.gif
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post Aug 19 2009, 07:25 PM

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this the panasonic BD-60 looks more solid le ( pioneer really jialat le but performance better wor ) rclxub.gif

[attachmentid=1147123] Internal layout BD-60
[attachmentid=1147124] Transport Close-up View
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post Aug 19 2009, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:36 PM)
once you look at all these internal cables and the RCA ports ,makes you wonder how come spend few hundred on RCa audio cables entering a RM2.00 RCA jack....  biggrin.gif
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the digital out is on spdf ( or is it spidf) rite
it all bd-rom transport-like now, unlike the dedicated CD transports
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post Aug 19 2009, 10:42 PM

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anyway, Oppo 83, Customer service is really excellent,
within a day, all queries answered

- latest pricing S$1060~ moded or region free unit~ excluding tax of 30%
- Shipping to Ipoh via SpeedPost/EMS courier costs S$90
- for tax clearance purposes, Invoice can be marked down 15-20% of S$1060 = 848 X 30%tax = S$254

that will be 1060(RP)+254(30%tax)+90(courier) =S$1404 X est 2.4 = RM3369.00

at RM3K this oppo should be group with pioneer LX71 or the coming LX72 for a fair review

BD-60/, especially BD80, pioneer 51FD, 320 and LX52 depends (how you analyse) will loose to Oppo 83 by just a slight margin

As Pioneer 51FD=pioneer 320, and given that scenerio, i opt for the BDP-320 as the difference is only RM400 ( you get slightly better PQ and AQ, 2 channel stereo, DVD upscale, not to mention BD-live.

As the BDP-320 is equipped with 1GB SD Ram, hopefully the next couple of FW upgrades, will solve the DVD 2-3 sec change over and better load times. smile.gif

base on my findings my shorlisted model will either be the Pana BD60 or the BDP-320 rclxms.gif

really jialat just got to know sold-out 4units of BD60 at RM950 ( think tis is the price they deduct from the LCD package deal )

and now considering BD 320 at RM2200 FOC 2pcs BD against the BD60 at RM1100 whistling.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 10:53 pm
QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:36 PM)
once you look at all these internal cables and the RCA ports ,makes you wonder how come spend few hundred on RCa audio cables entering a RM2.00 RCA jack....  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:11 PM)
I meant the analog RCA ports to hook up to audio amp (using costly RCA cables), cos you seem to be interested in more on the analog audio side of the BDP mah.  tongue.gif
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i get what you mean, i seriously think that its wrongly commented. its not uncommon as thats what ppl think

to me everything inside the casing is perfectly calibrated and hook-up for test results,

its the same as Speakers, you have beautiful, expensive, gold-plated, biding post to very expansive cross-overs, but the link to the speaker drivers is usually a "jialat" cable
BUT to a lot of "Sin Kar's" they swap/alter that cable ....so the end result.... you are not getting what the manufacturers/designers want you to hear smile.gif

QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format
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yes, wunderbar!!!

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post Aug 19 2009, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:14 PM)
looking at the internals, I really dun see how the BD320 can be worth 1100 more than the BD60..  biggrin.gif  if you want bargain, then it's a no brainer to go with the panny..
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i can only say it all boils down to the Circuit Design and components used, like Transport, Integrated Circuts, Capacitors , inductors, embedded chips etc

Its Technology my fren smile.gif
thats what i thought too, if can get again at RM950, immediately buy liao biggrin.gif
just now my dealer want take me buy adi, cc call the other side sold out liao,

he too advise me go for panny, wait for technology to be stable 1st then luk c again tongue.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 11:39 pmYa la hur... how come the panny so many cables running ge rclxub.gif

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post Aug 20 2009, 11:49 AM

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oh dear god, now 90% confirmed on BD60 liao biggrin.gif

was thinking wat de hack,

DVD upsampling no good...... but i can let my bloody yammy 3900 (Anchorbay 2010 chipset... same chip with the well renown Oppo 83) )do the upscaling ma right,

also from the KLIAVS i see many BD-60 performing demo (pana booth) on 60"plasma to the biggest projector oso ok ma ... rite,

As for the CD Audio if really cannot, then use hidef HDMI output, or just keep my Mc'Cormack CD Player

so guess my quest for a BD player for about 2months will end today rclxms.gif
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post Aug 20 2009, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:58 AM)
that should have been the main option from day 1, not the pioneer route..  tongue.gif
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Thanks to all my sifu's sharing their dedicated, time, briefing, explanation, to the extent of searching for valuable infos' to suppliment their verdict, not to mention...EVEN..in the wee hours of the morning
a big Thank You, Terima Kasih, hontoni arigatou gojaimas notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

To be frank, Pioneer 51FD, 320, it is a very very good BD player, they still hold their honour as best outstanding BD player in its range (not to bring Oppo 83 at 3K+ as comparison)
if its not for the Yammy 3900 ABT 2010 chip i would have gone for the Pioneer smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2009, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:49 PM)
haha! you noticed, wee hours..  tongue.gif
so what time your new toy?  brows.gif
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hopefully can get today via "jchong" haha
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post Aug 20 2009, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(kaka_89 @ Aug 20 2009, 02:18 PM)
where can i get this player bro..

i'm in jb..huhu...
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looks familiar, think have seen it somewhere,
u in JB, city down under pun takda meh!!
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post Aug 20 2009, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 20 2009, 03:50 PM)
Unfortunately, the regular lowyat suppliers out of stock sad.gif
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ya lor, really jialat lor, mind set on BD-60 liao, wait a while 1st
if really dont have and if have to buy at RM1400 (panashop) definitely not sen-Q or senhen at RM1999,
then will not hesitate to take the BDP-320 tongue.gif

sen-Q want to clear their BD-30 at RM900 any takers??
heard BD-61 coming.... any feedback

bro jchong, touch down ipoh adi tongue.gif

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post Aug 20 2009, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 08:29 PM)
how about the other forumer here who was selling 900-1000?

also what BDP were you using before considering this pioneer/panny thing?
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courtesy of bro jchong.... check for me adi (quite long name "isxxxxxxxxxx" something)

did not own any BDP yet, only dvico 4000p and pioneer DVD DV-383 ( non Hdmi and upscale player)
as for the DVD, i didnt even use component, just use s-video hook to yammy 3900, PQ very good also le rclxms.gif
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post Aug 20 2009, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:26 PM)
oh.. no wonder ask so many question about BDP..  tongue.gif  once you have one, then you will know the difference between the high end 3k player and normal budget 1k Panny isn't night and day as far as PQ/AQ of BD playback is concern..  biggrin.gif
infact getting a new 3k telly like the S10 would make more sense..  as far as PQ improvement is concern..
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could it be the high-end ones has better colours, more 3 dimensional, and depth,

wat i mean by depth is at a glance you really can differentiate who's in front and who's at the back
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post Aug 20 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:56 PM)
it could be, but the display affects the PQ more than the BDP (as far as watching blu-rays with 1080p content is concern)... so without upgrading the display then IMHO, no point to bother about comparing high end players and mid range ones..  I mean if you don't have full HD TV, why compare colors and what not when you are already compressing the resolution of the image (major reduction of PQ quality) to begin with..

of coz if talking about DVDs then different story.... cos other things in the DVD player circuitry like upscaling/interlacing etc comes to play)
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yup i got wat you mean smile.gif
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post Aug 21 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:41 PM)
glad we on the same page..  smile.gif

anyway sigh! you didn't manage to get the BD60 today..or else can start playing with your new toy..  biggrin.gif

how many BDs lined up to test test?  tongue.gif
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post Aug 21 2009, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 21 2009, 05:33 PM)
Hey moomoos, you seen this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1137855 ?
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yeap think seen tis two days back..... that day say no bitstream, now got bitstream

observing, observing, looks very interesting... thks

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