urs is more adorable

bro, the hi def media is to enable our displays to get closer to what film and the director has to intended to show, . B&W , weird green tint (ala matrix, black hawk down) or color is not the issue la.. it's all about the movie..

guess it boils down to personal taste la, i personally like to show off my dark knight and transformer BD when people come to visit

actually use cd-r also not troublesome
download the file, burn as image, all within 30min
no need to worry using net to update suddenly dcn
bdp risked being bricked
u know streamyx lar, always got dcn issue

actually both way also risky if power out before firmware finish flashing.
what i meant by easy is no need to burn into cd-r only.

its ok if the line is slow coz the flashing only started after the whole firmware downloaded.

power out during flashing will tell u only one thing....u really suey

I think I saw 51FD at Hiway laser. Demo set of course.

For sure, there are many better BDP and of course cheaper too, flooding our shore next year.

Why 51FD and not latest BDP?

Where are you located. I was referring to the PJ branch. Like I said, I saw a demo set, don't think they have new ones.

Hi guys,
I'll finally be getting a BDP soon. Considering one of the following
1) BD60
2) 51FD
3) Oppo 83

Can someone recommend me a store (and est. price if you know). Thanks a bunch.

Also, if my AV receiver does not support DTS HD (normal DTS) but has analog input, and i hook it up to the Oppo 83, will I get the same results as a system with DTS HD?

Thanks a bunch in advance guys.

just get dune2.. 

what display you using again, I think maybe display also need to be taken into consideration to see which will match together well.. BDP/display
maybe bro anfield can give insights in this..

you get the idea where I was heading... 

I mean, new model players come out every year, why pay to get this years flagship player when display isn't up to par to take advantage..
especially with BD, we just treat the BDP as bare transport via HDMI.. everything pipe to the AVR and TV to decode (when playing BD materials)..
when upgrade the Display time say 2years later, those mid/entry priced BDP players also will surpass 2years ago flagship BDP already 

Does it accept a 24Hz signal? Else it would be important to get a proper BD player that can output at 1080p/60Hz to minimize post processing errors in ur set.

As ar188 says, the display is one of the most important aspects of the HT. Any deficiencies will show up there...

my way is just the cost conscious method.. if you do feel otherwise, you are welcome to help the domestic economy.. 

have to wait for sifu anfield.. he seen /calibrated quite a number of tellys to notice them..

  you join chewkl's RPTV gang ar?

Bro Horny is using 50PY700.

By the way, nice new avatar. What's his problem? Or was he playing hdie and seek?

BDs are encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 with colour bits of 8bits per colour (24bits in all RGB). Deep Colour is essentially 30, 36, 48bits. The colour needs to be converted from 24bit to 30, 36 and 48bits. Deep Colour is supposed to reduced banding and increase colour depth and all. Most displays are 8bit displays. There are some that are 10 (30)bits, 12(36) bits and 16 (48bits). Some BD players have the ability to convert to 30bits, 36bits and 48bits. This is done via a chip or algorithms. PS3, Pioneer and Oppo can do this. Or the display can do this.

Now the interesting part, there are no BDs encoded with Deep Colour, so conversion is the only way to go. I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display. Even on test signals I cannot see the benefit of this as yet. Maybe on some displays (Sammys are 30 bit, Sonys are 36bit, Pioneer 36bit) the colour conversion is already good enough that I cannot see the benefit. Some people have seen the benefit on test patterns, but I could not. Then again, I am an amateur, maybe I need to train my eyes more. Also will retest this on a bigger screen next month.

Also remember that your display will convert the signal (YCbCr) to RGB. This colour space conversion can also cause problems.

HDTVs do a lot of processing that people take for granted. My take is get a decent BD player (that does not mess up the signals to the display )but make sure that your display is very good. You will benefit more from that.

bro moo....ur avatar has turn from adorable to stinky

QUOTE:

I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display.

cheers.. 

Oh OK, which model is that?  

Maybe can get the Denon 1909, my friend bought it for RM2.1k if I van remember correctly.

The Oppo BD83 is a player capable of sending out 36bit and 30bit. I believe the Pioneers are the ones touting 48bit. I have tested the output of 30bit, 36bit on a 36bit capable display and have not seen any visible difference. I believe I need to look for animation titles that have been known to introduce banding (then again this is already in the source encoding, am not sure if the display can correct this) and check again.

The next time I have a chance to calibrate a display thru a Pioneer BD Player I will try to see if I can check....ronnt maybe will recheck in yours. The sammys are also supposed to be 10bit panels. (pls remember that a panel can be 10bit but it can have a colour processor that can output at 12bit)

My honest opinion, Deep Colour is way over rated. Don't pay too much attention for now.