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Brother ASM1 dividend not attractive enough only 4%.... AS1M, ASM, ASW, ASB V2, PNB fund
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Aug 25 2009, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Aug 25 2009, 05:03 PM) Who say the dividend rate is only 4%...... The prospectus said that AS1M is BENCHMARK AGAINST THE 5 YEAR GOVERNMENT SECURITIES.......... Can i still opening account for ASM1? Since the fund size is big may be considering it as a temporaly place to park my dividend from stock market....This post has been edited by darkknight81: Aug 25 2009, 05:03 PM |
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Aug 27 2009, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 27 2009, 05:33 PM) yeah...PNB also advertise full page in all chinese newspaper for few days in a row to encourage ppl to invest....who read chinese newspaper? of course Chinese. Never happened in the history that PNB is so aggresively sell to the chinese commodity where its other funds always finished within few hours. What i am worry about is .. since the fund size is so big... can they handle it or not? I am worry they might invest for the sack of investing ......Maybe RM10bil fund size is too big. Shd start the fund size of RM3bil 1st, if finish only increase the fund size.... |
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If you are going for as* fund ... basically you don need to concern much on economic scenario much unless you are going into stock or properties which market timing is important.
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Aug 28 2009, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:49 AM) darkknight81, It is simple and i can understand that. Just that mostly ppl who buy AS* are those who not familiar with stock market and they want to let the fund manager manage for them.... It is so simple cun you see it?? 1) So, even if Malaysian economy collapses and most of GLCs gone bankrupt, you have NOTHING to worry about?? <<unless you are going into stock>> 2) 70% to 80% of ASx investment is in stock. You buy ASx that means you are buying stock. Why is it so hard for you to understand?? Dreamer Only 30% of my cash is in AS* as i prefer to manage my own money more.... Pls remember every investment tools has its own risk.... So judge your own...Don tell me that you investment portfolio are risk free... This post has been edited by darkknight81: Aug 28 2009, 10:55 AM |
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Someone told me that PNB fund was dried out of money. They create new units every year to pay the dividend. They have been creating new units annually for the past few years. So, i wonder how long they can sustain if the next election PKR win out then the secrets might be revealed??
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Sep 24 2009, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 23 2009, 08:41 PM) CrossFirE, Yup agreed. You know NONE of the 4. Before you invest on something, let call this as X. You must know A) How you can make money from X?? B) How you can lose money from X? C) Under what condition and what price you should buy X? D) Under what condition and what price, you should sell X? This applies to ANY investments. It can be FD, stock, real estate and whatever. If you DO NOT KNOW (A) to (D), you definitely do not know enough to invest. Dreamer STUPIDITY is the BIGGEST RISK to the investor. Over-confidence is the second BIGGEST RISK. You must know the strength and weaknesses of your investmnet . You must be able to handle any changes on your investment. There is no investment that you can invest and sleep for 30 years... you have to monitor it at least every month not the price but the fundamental I plan to offload all my asw and asm before the next election as i think it is quite risky maybe the fund is empty internally already .... This post has been edited by darkknight81: Sep 24 2009, 07:37 AM |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 08:58 AM) darkknight81, I don beliv that as it sounds like some sorts of myth to me. What if at that time something really catasthrophic happened? You need to make decision fast just like you doing business.... What i mean is not monitoring the daily price but on the fundamental side. YOU need to be updated on the company future direction by reading quarterly report at least or annual report....<< There is no investment that you can invest and sleep for 30 years... you have to monitor it at least every month not the price but the fundamental >> Who say so?? Yes, there is. But, a person needs to have the FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE and DISCIPLINE to invest it and not to monitor them. Insurance companies invest for 30 to 100 years. Harvard university invest for 150 years. I only monitor my investment to decide where to put my new money. I re-balance once every year. One of my mutual fund had survived and do well for 80 years. <<You must know the strength and weaknesses of your investmnet . >> A person needs to work like a portfolio manager. Have a mix of investments that diversify and complement each other. So, if you want to sleep, you do not have SINGLE investment. Dreamer This post has been edited by darkknight81: Sep 24 2009, 10:07 AM |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 11:58 AM) darkknight81, but the yield is too low for me YOUR PROBLEM is you invest on ONE COMPANY. Why do that?? What if you INVEST on the WHOLE WORLD?? Aka, all 4,000 LARGEST companies in the world at the same time. This is called investing. Go to sleep for 5 years test. If you CANNOT go to sleep for 5 years and do nothing for X, you ARE NOT investing. You are speculating / gambling. How do insurance company collect premium and pay out?? They invest your premium. How do they invest and make money consistently across 30 to 100 years?? They are using the same system. It was not possible in the past for individual investor to do this. But, now, it is possible. In a smaller scale, instead of buying individual counter of KLSE, you could have have buy the ETF and get the 30 largest companies in KLSE at one shot. So, the PROBLEM is FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VT Check this out. One ETF and you own the whole world. Dreamer |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 24 2009, 06:59 PM) darkknight81, Thats my point ... dreamer you always think that your strategy is the best... as i always said as long as you know what you are doing and know what your direction is then is all right.... i know my strategy and what i want ... what i look at your investment tools does not suit mine... then i ask you how far do you know your fund detail? basically you are depend on the fund manager to manage for you.... There are lots of alternative not only "dreamer101's way" or else you don need some fund to manage for you... you should have your own intelligence to manage your own money like buffett or jim rogers already. <<but the yield is too low for me >> So, this come back to MY POINT. It is ALL up to FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE. You are NOT at the stage to use this kind of strategy. Now, whether it is better or worse, who cares. You are NOT capable of using this kind of financial instrument even though it exists. In my case, I do not have the FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE to invest on Palm Oil plantation yet even though it is one of the best investment. I am still doing my homework. If I invests now, I will lose money because I am NOT capable of handling this kind of investment yet. I do not know how to answer the 4 questions yet. Dreamer This post has been edited by darkknight81: Sep 25 2009, 07:49 AM |
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 25 2009, 10:35 AM) <<Do you UNDERSTAND the difference between a TRUE INDEX FUND and a normal mutual fund?? It is OBVIOUS that you DO NOT KNOW.>> Yup i don know and i don think i am interested to know. Thats y i don invest in it... And i don beliv that it is so great about it....I know what i want and i know my direction thats enuff and i don force ppl to follow what i am doing as i know i am not so great i hope that you know you are not so great either if not you will not be so free to giving ppl advice everyday your time should be spend on something more meaningful. <<I have the INTELLIGENCE to know that I am STUPID. That is good enough. I have the INTELLIGENCE to know that I am NOT Buffet or Jim Roger. >> I know i am not good enuff thats y i join lowyat forum to seek for advice hope that someone who can really HELP but not those who keep on promoting how good how smart they are .... i am sick of it |
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Er... i have raise a question regarding :
WHAT if the fund money inside PNB fund was being corrupted and in actual fact the fund money is dried out? Is it possible? As i see the dividend for the past few years keep on deteriorating and also the keep on raising fund for BOTH ASW AND ASM.... I wonder whether the fund internally is dried out ? Can any one give his opinion on this ? Pls advice This post has been edited by darkknight81: Sep 30 2009, 08:11 AM |
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I want to withdraw money out from my ASW passbook. Any one here know about how the dividend was calculated? End of the month or beginning of the month?
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Oct 22 2009, 03:59 PM) Why u wanna withdraw le? I have invested in ASX fund for more than 10 years. But i just feel not so safe so plan to withdraw all out and park into dividend stock and then save the dividend back to ASW tell me when and time so that I can go to bank and wait for your withdrawal and I buy it immediately.... |
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QUOTE(??!! @ Oct 26 2009, 08:46 PM) i am not with you... Don get me wrong i don mean that ASX fund is not good. I park my money in there for more than 10 years. Just that recently i withdrawed almost more than 70,000 units due to my lost in confidence in malaysia economy. Is the div stock which u have in mind a 'safer' in terms of capital preservation and returns viz-a viz ASX? R u assuming ASW is a better bet than ASX? I am worry that what if anything happened to BN... As you know PNB fund so far only invested in Malaysia only Not diversified enough. |
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QUOTE(-i7- @ Jan 29 2010, 03:52 PM) loan money worth it if every month you dunno where the money go like me Loan also not using personal loan lar. Housing loan mar because when u loan u need to be prompt and discipline in paying the loan in other word force to pay but if u very good in controlling your money, then it best not to loan for long term profit. |
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