Last I heard 10Q price was 2.2 - 2.3k.

That would be quite the ultimate setup. Practically though there are 2 main challenges:

1) Space to distribute the subs to all the 5 or 7 locations. I see many multisub installations where they stack the subs all in front (either middle and L/R). But I think ideally is to co-locate the sub with the rest of the speakers.

2) Power points. Most people wouldn't have distributed power points all over the room. Of course, this can still be overcome using extension wires but may be unsightly.

For your room size I think 10Q might be enough, but if you want extra headroom then consider the 12Q. This is in case you like extra oomph for movies. The best is to audition both and come to your own conclusions.

The auto-EQ does work and helps to even out the bass some. In addition the Q series also has 4 presets including a 'movie' mode.

Eh, I thought you're Velo fan?

I think the concern with wooden floor is whether it will cause any boominess. Your wood floor is laid on top of battens right?

Anyway, if really got an issue then a SubDude would help.

Nowadays 24" x 24" tile is in. In fact you can even get 32" x 32" tiles.

Italian stuff sure expensive wan. Get the China 80cm x 80 cm, I've seen them for about RM60 a piece.

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Added on August 15, 2009, 12:30 amIf laid just on top of cement then actually there is less issue since there is direct contact between the strips and the cement. If you use battens, there is a gap between the strips and the cement thus giving rise to possibility of resonance, etc.

SubDude see here: http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_subdude/subdude.asp

This post has been edited by jchong: Aug 15 2009, 12:30 AM

In my view you are bound by your pre-conceived notions. In your mind only Velodyne or Sunfire is good - yes both are established and reputable brands and they make good subwoofers. But are they the only makers of good subwoofers? Many new subwoofer makers have come up in the last several years and they also make good subwoofers.

You said "I use my ears as a tool", but it seems you are selecting Velodyne based on pre-conceived notions. If you are truly serious about using your ears as a tool then you should take the time to audition other subs besides Velodyne or Sunfire. Who knows, your ears might even find something that is better or maybe something just as good but cheaper.



How do you know DD series is best already? They are good no doubt, but the best?

"not looking so much for the frequency that goes how low" - then you don't know what you are missing from movies. You should read up more on this matter. Even if you decide to buy Velodyne, knowing how low the sub goes can affect your decision which Velodyne sub to buy and it will certainly affect whether you get the full impact from the movie. In the end you are prepared to spend quite a lot of money on the sub, might as well spend it as best you can so that you can get the most out of the movies.

What makes you think they cannot do the same technology as Velodyne, Sunfire or JL? Have you read up on the various brands out there to see what technology they have?

A subwoofer isn't a terribly complicated object and there are certain laws of physics that will constrain the sub design. Generally with larger subs it is easier to go low. Yes, a small sub like DD-10 or DD-12 can also go low, but probably with the aid of EQ. The other factor to consider is what is the output down low? This is a spec that most do not disclose. Understanding this is also key to understanding sub performance.

I'm not trying to convince you to test SVS. I'm not an SVS owner myself. I'm just trying to get you to expand your horizons and mindset. The more subs you listen to the more you understand about bass. It's not only about how low - you also want to see if the bass is fast, boomy, articulate, tight, powerful, punchy, etc.

I think it is a good idea for you to try out the JL sub. For compact size sub the JL is rated as one of the best. Either the F112 or F113 may be ok size-wise.

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Added on November 4, 2009, 3:39 pmNo need to be so "hak hei". I don't think anybody got angry, we're just having a discussion. Even if the discussion gets a bit "heated" sometimes but I think as long as it's done in the right spirit then there's no hard feelings.

This post has been edited by jchong: Nov 4 2009, 03:39 PM

One thing to note is that the model in craigsub's list is the biggest one, DD-18. Not sure how the smaller ones like DD-10 or DD-12 would rank.

And bear in mind DD-18 also quite large, 23" x 21.25" x 19.25". This is nearly the same size as the PB12+ at 25” x 21" x 19".

Just wanna ask, you said there is a new updated DD series coming? Did the shop say what are the changes from the original DD series?

Ah good, you're reading this. Earlier benben said:

So seems that a new DD series is coming out? U have any info about that?

This post has been edited by jchong: Nov 6 2009, 11:02 AM