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Humanities Which is more important?, Motive or Consequences?

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dreamer101
post Aug 6 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(Thinkingfox @ Aug 4 2009, 05:37 PM)
If you had to choose either, which would you choose?

If you believe that motive is more important, you believe in Deontology:
Deontology itself is divided into Divine Command Theory, Natural Law Theory, Kantian ethics, Non-aggression principle, Pluralistic Deontology (W.D. Ross) and Contemporary ethics.

If you believe that consequence is more important, you believe in Consequentialism:
Consequentialism is divided into Rule Consequentialism and Act Consequentialism. Act Consequentialism is itself divided into Utilitarianism and Ethical Egoism.

My personal believe is in the Divine Command Theory under Deontology, but I'm still open for discussion. What do you believe in?

Edit: Grammar and initial question
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Thinkingfox,

I believe in Zen. Hence, I believe in non-duality. Your debate / argument is a result of DUALITY. Two opposing views that appear to oppose each others. Once you caught in this. There is NO WAY OUT.

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post Aug 7 2009, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Thinkingfox @ Aug 6 2009, 11:31 PM)
In some way I agree with you, if I understood your statement correctly. Often, the motive and consequences do not clash. But I'm creating a scenario in which a person can only choose one because many moral dilemmas arise not from when it's easy to distinguish black and white but when a trade-off is required.
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Thinkingfox,

Moral dilemmas only exist because you CHOOSE to believe there is RIGHT and WRONG aka DUALITY.

If you step on a snake, the snake bite you. Is the snake evil?? No. Is the snake good?? No. Morality is irrelevant.

Ditto on most things in life. It is RIGHT or WRONG depending on your point of view.

Some people believe HONOR is more important than life. Some people don't.

A) Some people rather starve to death along with their cows.

B) Some people will kill the cows instead of starving to death.

Who is RIGHT?? (A) or (B)?? Who knows?? It is ALL dependent on your point of view.

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All,

I think the question is WRONG to begin with.

A) Treat other like how you like to be treated.

B) Do not force your belief on others.

So, my ABSOLUTE MORALITY is people can believe whatever they choose to believe as long as their ACTION does not affect me. Vice versa, I would not do anything to AFFECT others unless I am force to defend myself.

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post Aug 7 2009, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Aug 7 2009, 06:44 AM)
Mmmm... non duality, the core concept of Zhuang Zhi, Lao Zhi studies....
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Aug 7 2009, 09:47 AM)
^that's because Zen is heavily influenced by the Qi Gong Culture back then in China. They share similar approach to reaching enlightenment.
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Folks,

Zen is an integration of Taoism and Buddhism.

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post Aug 7 2009, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Aug 7 2009, 06:09 PM)
Taoism is a method/knowledge of cultivating/preserving life. (aka Qi Gong).
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LittleGhost,

That is one facet of Taoism. The other facet is a philosophy by itself.

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