Oct 30 2009, 11:31 PM
QUOTE(communist892003 @ Aug 4 2009, 02:47 AM)
What is contained in the space that the universe is expanding into?
If before the beginning there wasn't time, or space... is that still outside that universes boundary line?
They think that the stars are moving away towards the universes edge, so does that mean that we can define the centre?
If so, that is where the big bang stated right?
Ahh.. Confusion.
I love it when someone can cut through all the hyperbole and get down to the roots of things. You’ve just asked some questions that honest (hard science) Astrophysicists and Cosmologists dread (because they don’t know the answer), others on the other hand freely respond (while still claiming scientific legitimacy) that they have scientific corroboration to support what they “think” or “speculate” or “believe” to which some would label as pseudo science, pure speculation or blurring the distinction between science and religion. The Corroboration these scientists site is nothing more than hard scientific measurements or proof that their theory is false, which is exactly what could be said of many religious answers to the very same questions.
My answers (some say speculation, I believe to be true) are as follows:
The universe is not expanding, there are other explanations for the scientific measurements claimed to support the expanding universe theory. That said the universe is infinite, people have a hard time dealing with absolutes such as eternity and infinity, it’s human nature,
What’s before the beginning or beyond the universes boundary? There was no single big bang, I suggest that the universe is composed of a continuous series of “mini-big bangs” cyclic, this stems from theified Field Theory in which Gravity is a force or repulsion not of attraction and gravitationally isolated black holes are unstable and will explode in a mini-big bang like event.
The boundary of the universe which if you mean visible universe or beyond is a place where space is distorted because far from matter length compresses to the point that it would be impassible yet without bounds (infinite).
Regarding the stars moving away and being able detect the center from that movement. The speculation is that the expansion of the universe has no center because of the method of expansion (like baking a cake or bread) each point within the cake or loaf expands from each other equally. If there was a center we would not be able to determine the center by measuring what is expanding away from us. Using that method it would appear that we would be the center of the universe because everything is expanding away from us. It’s interesting that that would support the ancients and not so ancients theory that the earth was the center of the universe
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Again I don’t think there was a big bang as currently proposed, big bang theory only reinforces the point that those considering it don’t understand infinity or eternity, proposing our universe is from a big bang means it cannot exist in eternity, yet here we are.
You contradict yourself. First you say the UNiverse is infinite. Then you say you support the no-single-big-bang theory. That theory itself only works with a finite universe. If before the beginning there wasn't time, or space... is that still outside that universes boundary line?
They think that the stars are moving away towards the universes edge, so does that mean that we can define the centre?
If so, that is where the big bang stated right?
Ahh.. Confusion.
I love it when someone can cut through all the hyperbole and get down to the roots of things. You’ve just asked some questions that honest (hard science) Astrophysicists and Cosmologists dread (because they don’t know the answer), others on the other hand freely respond (while still claiming scientific legitimacy) that they have scientific corroboration to support what they “think” or “speculate” or “believe” to which some would label as pseudo science, pure speculation or blurring the distinction between science and religion. The Corroboration these scientists site is nothing more than hard scientific measurements or proof that their theory is false, which is exactly what could be said of many religious answers to the very same questions.
My answers (some say speculation, I believe to be true) are as follows:
The universe is not expanding, there are other explanations for the scientific measurements claimed to support the expanding universe theory. That said the universe is infinite, people have a hard time dealing with absolutes such as eternity and infinity, it’s human nature,
What’s before the beginning or beyond the universes boundary? There was no single big bang, I suggest that the universe is composed of a continuous series of “mini-big bangs” cyclic, this stems from theified Field Theory in which Gravity is a force or repulsion not of attraction and gravitationally isolated black holes are unstable and will explode in a mini-big bang like event.
The boundary of the universe which if you mean visible universe or beyond is a place where space is distorted because far from matter length compresses to the point that it would be impassible yet without bounds (infinite).
Regarding the stars moving away and being able detect the center from that movement. The speculation is that the expansion of the universe has no center because of the method of expansion (like baking a cake or bread) each point within the cake or loaf expands from each other equally. If there was a center we would not be able to determine the center by measuring what is expanding away from us. Using that method it would appear that we would be the center of the universe because everything is expanding away from us. It’s interesting that that would support the ancients and not so ancients theory that the earth was the center of the universe
. Again I don’t think there was a big bang as currently proposed, big bang theory only reinforces the point that those considering it don’t understand infinity or eternity, proposing our universe is from a big bang means it cannot exist in eternity, yet here we are.
Then you explain about the boundary of the universe. There will not be a boundary if the universe is infinite.
You are just another conspiracy theorist making no sense.
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