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 Stock Market V36: Return of the Bull, Part IV, Bull defies Newton's Law of Gravity

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post Aug 7 2009, 10:04 AM

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At last, Axiata overtook TM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:19 AM)
u spoke too soon

TM leading


Added on August 7, 2009, 10:20 am
walau Axiata shooting like rocket (DAP)!
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TM 3.03 VS Axiata 3.08
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post Aug 7 2009, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:15 AM)
oh damn, i never know AXIATA-CC listed today.. missed the monkey action again!


Added on August 7, 2009, 10:17 am
Long due. I keep posting on last V37 thread that very soon TM bungkus.
I think the THEORY behind AXIATA is dun want lose face to MAXIS once Maxis listed.

TM Holder - Sell after the DIVIDEND.
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Or maybe Digi


Added on August 7, 2009, 10:32 am
QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:28 AM)
cry.gif why why why  cry.gif

well i guess i can't complain too much, i am still high on capital repayment (it is noteworthy this monies came froam Axiata) rclxms.gif
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I think jz sooner or later, Axiata will collapse. I dun think they will be announcing very good quarterly report. Summore they plan to raise more right issue. Dunno what happen to this company. Anyway Celcom 3G sux in my area

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QUOTE(espree @ Aug 7 2009, 10:33 AM)
digi dropped, after dividend announced.
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Still worth >20. Axiata has a long way to go
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 7 2009, 10:38 AM)
Today, maybe this afternoon, I'll buy some shares... Still thinking which one give highest capital gain in long run... Pelikan, Latexx or Suncity...
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Latexx still can run??
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 7 2009, 10:41 AM)
I'm looking at its fundamental. I found that Latexx still very much undervalue as compared to other gloves makers. And Latexx's growth also not factored into the price yet. IMO... Follow at your own risk (especially for short term).
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I'm looking for long term.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:46 AM)
"historically" it looks like Feb and Aug is the period where they announce their dividend pay out...

remembering no so long ago they affirm their commitment to payout dividend (as to when and how much, remains a question?).
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Before joining wif Celcom, payout is about 10cents for August


Added on August 7, 2009, 10:50 am
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 7 2009, 10:43 AM)
hmm.gif  That's odd.  My battalion of Red Army still hasn't reach KLSE yet..

I better give General Bear a call. He must come and take out all these green shoots. 
These people are just too happy. This cannot happen on my watch.    brows.gif
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Maybe they met General Bull half-way, and got annihilated by him alone leh tongue.gif

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 7 2009, 10:54 AM)
Nah... just wait. He's just took over ST, SSE, Nikkei.

He's coming to KLSE soon..  better take cover soon.
Bombs are going to drop.  brows.gif
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K. Think is time to reload for Bear hunt soon smile.gif
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Aug 7 2009, 11:24 AM)
haha! not just you dmc, i've been waiting for the red army as well. grumble.gif they're quite late.
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Red army is actually marching in. Today cannot sell or buy also. All my stocks back to square.
Btw, your YTL suddenly jump this morning, now losing power

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Aug 7 2009, 11:53 AM)
hehehehe, even a 25sens jump means quite a lot to me  icon_idea.gif

next move a 15% drop across board? yes please.  drool.gif

gonna realise some profits so i can go in for the next round.
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Why? You have a lot of YTL? drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 7 2009, 03:20 PM)
I wish I'm a fortune teller!  tongue.gif  Then I'll just need to buy lottery to become billionaire. flex.gif
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Just want to know, how come Pelikan price sliding down from RM5 to the current price? Any share split or treasury share in between?
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 7 2009, 08:58 PM)
They got 15 million unemployed and Wall Street is celebrating.
The hang over will come in later.  shakehead.gif
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Why do we have to be so pessimist? Maybe we were all wrong. The recession could had started 2 years back, and now it is halfway to recovery hmm.gif
Not to say I'm bearish or bullish.
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QUOTE(sampool @ Aug 7 2009, 11:10 PM)
i m sure nobody will said recession again once dj reach the trogest resistance 10,000. could we review back the feng shui chat again.  brows.gif  yawn.gif
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When everyone is bullish, then I think can cash out oredi drool.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Aug 7 2009, 11:15 PM)
This is a false dawn, a suckers's rally, a dead-cat bounce, a bull-trap....
Call it what you want  - but we are still ALL DOOMED....DOOMED.....DOOMED
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I still think that the more ppl thinking of major correction, it will not happen. When everyone start jumping in, then that is when the market will start crashing. Those late comers will have to moneyflies.gif bye.gif bye.gif
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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Aug 7 2009, 11:23 PM)
That's the problem...this market is being fuelled by massive liquidity flowing in and NOT by fundamentals. It's a classic bubble formation. The only question that remains is WHEN to cash out and take the money off the table.... hmm.gif

If it lasts till October - I'll be very surprised. But, hey, what do I know??wink.gif
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I will definitely cash out when I see more people buying stocks. As of now, everyone still licking the wounds suffered last yr, except of course....all of us rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 7 2009, 11:24 PM)
Definitely AGREE! This rally is a BIG HUGE BULL TRAP!

Those idiots will lose their money. Just you wait. Come next month, they'll realize... huh..
where are those consumers?  Oh...btw they're all layoff, no jobs..no money to buy anything.

BAM! Down we go.   tongue.gif
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How do you know they dun have money? Maybe they are gambling in DJIA, that is why on and off, we see profit taking...etc


Added on August 7, 2009, 11:29 pm
QUOTE(David_Brent @ Aug 7 2009, 11:27 PM)
Haven't you already noticed it happening on here?? A lot of fresh posters the last week or two and a lot of the "old hands" lying low..? hmm.gif
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Still not full yet. The boat still have limited space before starting to sink. So, try lure more ppl to play stocks tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chyaw @ Aug 7 2009, 11:33 PM)
old hand lie low because all money in jor. Waiting for economy recovery then sell.  biggrin.gif
As for me, I think I wouldn't be trading for the next 2mths. My portfolio already completed. market up or down in short term most likely won't trigger me to buy/sell. cross finger  rolleyes.gif
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You sure or not...later c c ...play warrant again tongue.gif


Added on August 7, 2009, 11:37 pm
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 7 2009, 11:32 PM)
The energy sector is not participating in this rally. That means we're already at the top.  biggrin.gif
Too much oil floating around, no demand at all. The oil companies have to spend
more money to buy storage to store them for future use and will continue to lose money this way.

When the Dow pulls back later, energy will fall.    Very good for shorts to make money here.  nod.gif
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No one consume oil because everyone buying stocks tongue.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 7 2009, 11:45 PM)
No to say I am optimistic, but one key question remains to reflect the current situation, why cash out and take the money off the table? To keep in FD with zero interest rate? That's the primary reason and situation we are facing now.

You own some good fundamental stock, even they are paying you 3-4% dividend yield, there is no reason for people to cash out unless we see deteoriation in fundamental and economy.
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You have a point over here. But if the price shoot up to 200-300%, are you still keeping for the div? Do advice me
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 8 2009, 12:04 AM)
This issue is off the table at current situation, this issue may sound potential if posted on last year end or beginning of the year.

This is OT as well currently.
Axreit shoot 80% from the low, but I don't intend to sell as well, because even at 1.80, it still is a 7-8% yield, so sell it and keep it FD for 2.0-2.5%? Very hard decision to make.

I am not saying which way is a right way or decision to make. Just we can't say the stock has risen 200-300% then it is too expensive to hold already.

Citi drop from 50 to 1.00. But now it is 4.00, shoot up 300% so sell now or not? If after 3-5 years it may go to 7-10, then any selling is seem not wise, or it may not recover at all. Nobody knows, so only clue we can get is company earning.

I made major mistake for short sighter (after posted in BAT thread revived my memory), by selling BAT (Rothmans)  which I bought at 18.50 after it surged to 25 or so. Now look back it is a stupid decision because I taught it was rising a lot and make good profit already, so eager to take the profit.

Since then I only sell if I view the economy is going to deteoriate which affecting the company earning, or company earning shows poor result, or fundamental company is not supporting the share price at existing share price level.

I always compared with FD and other alternative investment tools, as you sell your stock, your cash need to park somewhere, right?

Above issue is not applicable for goreng stock, only fundamental good stock.

Just my preference and view, so that make investment life more simple, doesn't mean it is a good strategy though.
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But then again, our money alwiz stuck wif stocks already right? I tot of like this....expanding the portfolio, let it grow few times, then sell, try to buy lower.
One bad experience is that I sold a stocks 5x the capital, when that time it is giving me about >30% div based on my buy price, but sadly after I sell it, it flies double my selling price and giving about 100% div yield, if I'm still keeping it cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif


Added on August 8, 2009, 12:31 am
QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 8 2009, 12:05 AM)
Yes, the fund managers now are all "Kiasu" as they say in Singapore.
They gotta buy something in their portfolio to fill in the blanks.

China growing asset is a huge bubble now. The pullback the past two days show how vulnerable
the bubble is.  People are over-speculating how China can lift everyone out of the recession, buying
raw materials big time, factories firing up and making more toys now.

Come this December, they'll be in for big surprise - where are the buyers?

Tonight @ NYSE, they're pumping financials hard, even the p.o.s AIG and C are good as gold now.  doh.gif
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Are you holding any stocks or 100% cash now?

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QUOTE(DanielW @ Aug 8 2009, 01:26 AM)
Mind to share which stock was it? So that all of us can analyse and learn together  wink.gif
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You mean the one I sold off?

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