I'm not sure I explained my point well enough. Let me try again.

Movies and TV both cater to men's and women's sexual fantasies - but their fantasies are different. For men, the fantasy is of a hero whom every woman in the world wants to sleep with. The heroine, the villain's wife/girlfriend, the villain's daughter, the villain herself (if she's a woman), and any other waitress/maid/secretary/random passerby he encounters - they all want to throw themselves at him.

Women's fantasies involve men "confessing" their love to the heroine - which is just as appealing, but just as unrealistic as the men's fantasy.

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Added on August 1, 2009, 1:44 amI'm beginning to wonder if Debbie isn't something of a high-functioning autistic.



This post has been edited by n00b13: Aug 1 2009, 01:44 AM

In here lies a certain truth that men may not like to admit. Women are the drive of social force and change. What women generally want from society, women get. Women set the rules, women set the expectations, and many men follow suit. You can see the change in the last few decades quite clearly. Macho men were popular, then women wanted more sensitive men, and when we got that, women found them too sissy and want a change, and we're starting to see that change.

yes, practised in some tribes in africa.

Wow, 18 pages. Talk about epic derailment.

Movies are a horrible, horrible place to learn about how to appeal to the opposite sex. Music is equally as bad.

Just look at all the people posting in CC about their problems when reality does not sync with their media-brainwashed notions of romantic interaction, especially in making an approach and running a set.

I think that what is occurring and what has occurred is certainly a lot more complicated than that.

I personally have no trust or faith in where things are going.

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This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Aug 1 2009, 04:41 AM

there are some good "role model" for movies out there which plays a really great PUA role including HK movies

i really dunno about korean dramas as i don't watch them, but yea, generalizing all movies are bad is...a little over generalization

the problem people mostly confuses the roles is that they are unable to separate the courting part and the bf/gf period from movies which probably makes things worse...

Whatever.

As long as you're happy with it.

If I'm an autistic, then I don't know how should i name those different people I hang out with everyday.

Anyway...

My apology on my tone. It was too harsh to happy4ever, though his case isn't really matter with me.

The problem is, what makes you think there ever was any "case" with me?

or you just got tarped?

What you tell, I'll just listen.

And I will believe if it makes sense.

^corrected.

To be fair, attractive men set the rules too! Women begrudgingly follow. There is a reason why so many "hot"/attractive guys are considered "jerks" yet women still flock to them.


Proven worldwide in peer-reviewed and replicated studies on psychology:

Women want sensitve men when they are not ovulating... They want masculine hunks when they are fertile. Go figure.

Tsk tsk tsk, your small mind reveals itself again. What I wrote has much further implications than just attraction. It spans to include education, nurturing, literature, media, etc. Think about it, who raised you as a kid? Who set your initial impressions for women? who taught you how to treat women first? Its more often than not, the mothers... which if it eludes your mind, are women.

Women also being more empathic than men, communicate a lot more. Their feelings, their expectations, their needs, their wants, their desires... this information gets spread within the female network. Hence how certain "standards" are achieved within a female community. You know the saying, "the fastest way to spread news is to tell a woman"

well, if u wanna chat in MSN, u will know the real me

P.S. - Its the same as the one on LYN

WHAT THE FVCK does the rant above have anything to do with stuff I quoted?

Acknowledging reality is all i did.

Dont try to change the subject or bury it with irrelevant things.

Yes, women do have an instinct to nurture. Dont you ever try to imply that I dont believe so. And it has nothing to do with the realities around you that relate to dating and relationships ... especially to single women who have yet to commit to anyone. Women's motherly instinct tend to kick in when they are in a stable, committed relationship.

And still you have the gall to accuse me of having a "small mind". Look, ad hominems are ok used sparingly... but you are getting to a point where it starts to reflect badly on yourself.

To Other Readers:
If you ever want to know what a non-sequitur (logic doesnt follow), ad-hominem (flame/personal attack) is, read silver's reply to me.

What happened was:

1) Silverhawk said that women set the standards that guys strive to follow
2) Ezra said that attractive guys AND girls set the standards that society follows
3) Silverhawk rants about "initial impressions for women", and implies that Ezra has a "small mind", and then implies that Ezra doesnt know how to treat women ("who taught you how to treat women first").


like wtf.

pathethic.


And just think about it: What does the phrase "Who set your initial impressions for women?" even mean? This delves into epistemology and is beyond what could possibly be relevant to this thread. And just so you know, i think the word 'for' should be replaced with 'towards' as the sentence as it is doesnt make sense.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 1 2009, 06:56 PM

Ezra... not taking sides here but your perception of reality is very narrow and rather dogmatic. At least, that's my personal opinion on it. I could say why, but you would only become defensive and agitated, wouldn't you?

In all fairness you probably already understand things more than the average person your age and you're certainly on your way to understanding even more, but Silverhawk shows an understanding of nuance and a much wider scope, and it shows in his writings.

Maybe you shouldn't approach debates with him on an argumentative level?

Just a suggestion man.

Honestly, I want to see this guy in real life one day. We would have an interesting talk.

It's easy to throw flames about online... But face to face, you'll see just how much credence he has in his words.


You can call my views dogmatic. I stand by what I said. You could also say that anyone who stands up for their views is dogmatic. Just because you agree with theirs and disagree with mine doesnt make their views any less dogmatic. Hence the argument of "dogma" that brings a negative connotation is simply irrelevant.

where got!!!

I have a question tho. What if the girl insists on the guy to 'confess'?

Ya, if i want to chat with you on MSN, I will ask you for MSN.

Nooo.... I could, but I don't.

I don't make that sort of judgement based merely on which point of views I agree or disagree with.

Short answer: Everything

You "corrected" something which needed no correction. You YOURSELF went and include the attractive parts in what I wrote, when I wrote had nothing to do with attraction.


Is attraction the only reality to you? Dude, open up your mind.


You're the one who tried to change the subject to attraction. Was it wrong for me to point out the mistake in comprehending what I was writing?


Its not an ad hominem, its my opinion, based on observation. An ad hominem is only a logical fallacy IF and ONLY IF i'm using your credibility to discredit your argument. Did I do that? No. I have always pointed out the flaws in your thoughts.


;x

Lets go it 1 by 1

1) Do not put words in my mouth. I'll explain further later in this post
2) Once again, you forcing your reality on something I didn't even mention
3) Putting words in my mouth again.


I was talking about society in general, not specifically to you and in no way did I imply any negativity to how you were raised. If you took it personally, its solely based on your misinterpretation and perception.

We were all mostly raised by our mothers, and such we're imprinted with their values, their influence is strong in us. They teach us how to treat women, they set our initial standards for women. Its quite simply how society works. This is how the general standards of what women want gets pushed into society. Hence, they are the social driving force.

Now tell me, where in that did I imply that you don't know how to treat women? Where did I imply ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU? I said you have a small mind because you can't see pass the attraction issue, and so far, you've done nothing but prove those words correct.


oooh what is that supposed to mean?

You think I use such words because I'm protected by online anonymity? I don't know about you, but I've met many of the LYN members before, and even had discussions with a few. My profile has my contact details, I go by the same online nickname everywhere, I don't hide mate. If you wanna meet me in person to have discussion by all means, I welcome it.


There is nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in. That is an admirable trait, what is unadimirable is having tunnel vision on what you believe reality to be. Effectively blinding you to a lot of things in life.

A confession is bound to happen, but if the girl wants you to confess, you should know it... and by then you've already sealed the deal. Its a bit like a marriage proposal. You don't do it unless you're 99.99% sure she'll say yes