Silverhawk, you bl00dy wanker. First you talk about people making "rules". Now you're talking about "datasets". Like wtf. Get a life. Get out of your room.

My theory works on every scenario i have come across. Exceptions are rare, but do exist.

Example:

My Theory On A Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg) than she is.

1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her.
2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.


I acknowledge #1 while also acknowledging #2. I place the appropriate amount of emphasis on both.

you place pretty much all your emphasis on #2, and everytime I mention #1 and #2, you criticize me for mentioning #1, claiming that im narrow minded etc.



RE: Ad hominems.
To Other Readers:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
I leave it to you to decide

Dickson. PM sent.

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Added on August 2, 2009, 3:59 pmI dont really mind if my theories are challenged.

But this guy is not challenging them. He is simply ranting about how it is wrong to place adequate emphasis on social norms (with all that talk about "datasets" OMG) and then throwing wild accusations towards me (like I dont notice there are exceptions), discrediting my theories in the process.



#0) One of Ezra's Theories On Social Norm: Girls will rarely date a guy significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) than she is.
#1) Look at every reasonably attractive (whatever your definition of attractive is) girl around you who is taken. Look at the guy next to her. Do you find #0 true in your reality?
#2) Occasionally, as in very occasionally, you will find an exception.

Silverhawk: Do you agree, in a simple YES or NO, to the statements above?
#0 YES/NO
#1 YES/NO
#2 YES/NO

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 2 2009, 04:19 PM

For the record:

1) I was giving an example.
2) My theory doesnt place that much emphasis on PHYSICAL attractiveness at all. (see my latest thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954)
3) I was referring to guys who are BOTH significantly shorter (6cm+) and significantly lighter (<5kg+) in my example.


I have dated a girl 2cm taller than myself. Note the word *significantly*

again, exception does not disprove the norm.

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Added on August 2, 2009, 5:59 pmThat's exactly what im saying: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954



This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 2 2009, 05:59 PM

I mentioned very clearly that it was only an example of ONE OF THE THEORIES you dumbfvck.

Dont try and pin me down like you always do.


To other readers: Physical attraction is only part of the picture. Mental and emotional health are equally important, and of course security (eg. financial). Read my thread here - http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954 I believe I place appropriate emphasis on physical attraction. It's up to you to decide - have a read of the thread and give me a shout!





Silverhawk, can i assume that your answer to those very simple questions is "NO"?

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 2 2009, 06:58 PM

hmm, who is bernard7?

I agree. Looks arent that important if you are a guy, but physical attributes still do play a role.
Note the word *SIGNIFICANT* in the example I gave.


Physical attraction is definitely part of the picture...but there are other equally important things as well. Read my thread here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954

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Added on August 2, 2009, 7:06 pmTotally.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954

Healthy body. Healthy mind. Healthy emotions. Lots of friends.



1) Look at the people you find to be charismatic/confident.
2) Look at the people you find to be dull and boring and shy.


What do they have in common?



Healthy mind/emotions/social life are all important for a man to thrive in life and build up his charisma.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 2 2009, 07:06 PM

just to jerk your memory, you were the one who accused me of trying to belittle people.

Do you know what it means to sugar coat something? Or to gloss over reality?

Below is a definition of "sugarcoat"
http://www.answers.com/topic/sugarcoat

I have sugar coated nothing. In fact, I have been pretty point blank (straightforward) and I do see how some people may be hurt although I do try to be as politically correct as possible.

I have not been "glossing over reality". If I did that, nobody would have been "put down" or "belittled"

I realize that the game of love is competitive. There will be winners and losers.

I stand by everything that I say. Essentially in one simple sentence:

Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women.

I believe in placing APPROPRIATE emphasis on all aspects mentioned above.

To other readers: Please see my thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1107954


^silver: see the amount of emphasis i placed on each subheading in my thread. Im sure I didnt place too much emphasis on physical attributes.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 2 2009, 09:31 PM

"belittle"


...says the gay fvck who calls other guys "sweetie"

Wow, first datasets, now you bring what you call "handicapped" people into the conversation.

There is no stopping the silverhawk!


What you are talking about does not contradict my statement:


Ezra Sez: Having a healthy body, mind and emotional state will make any guy more attractive to women

Silver Sez: What if your legs are unhealthy, or you're handicapped somehow, how do you deal with it? How do you make yourself better within your limitations? What is it that drives these people to success despite their handicap?

YOU DISCRIMINATORY SON OF A B1TCH. You calling a person with one leg "handicapped"? I dont agree to labelling people like that.

MY STATEMENT APPLIES TO ALL GUYS, even if you dont have a leg, or if you are blind... or if you have one eyebrow.

Note the use of the word *any* in my statement.

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Added on August 3, 2009, 10:22 amEvery guy should work to be in the best physical, mental and emotional state possible. Awesome FTW!

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 3 2009, 10:22 AM

Silver was suggesting that having one leg made a person "handicapped" in the game of love.

I dont believe so. Even according to your definition:


In any case, lacking in any physical attributes cannot be used as an excuse for failing in the game of love. True, some physical attributes (like a lost leg / height / bone size) cannot be changed....but it doesnt meant that a person with a lost leg shouldnt take good care of himself. Sure he cant run a marathon, but he should still exercise and eat well.

Healthy body + Healthy mind + Healthy emotional state = Makes a man...any man... more attractive to women.

I'm just quite disgusted that Silver had to bring in people with "one leg" into the conversation...and label them handicapped. It's not for him to judge!

You can have one eye, no eyebrows, and a single wooden leg. It is no excuse for not trying to stay in shape and be in good mental and emotional health.


Go for gold! Be Awesome.


The disabled runner may not be able to compete with the able bodied, but he still strives to win within his league.


EVERYONE has flaws. Some people have physical inadequacies (ie. one leg.). Some people have mental flaws (ie. are stupid). Some people have psychiatric flaws (ie. OCD). In a practical, real world dating scenario, (im just using this as an EXAMPLE ok....) a person with any flaw should not go around ignoring the impact his flaw has on his dating life. The person should instead realize it for what it is and take steps to better himself, potentially overshadowing the flaw in the process.


The guy with one leg born to a poor family. Eeks out a living. Recognizes his disability for what it is and then takes realistic steps to overcome it (ie. getting a prosthesis, joining societies etc) starts a business, and becomes successful in life. He thrives on a challenge. Girls will notice his confidence...that he is a winner in life...from the moment he opens his mouth.



Be The Best You Can Be!

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 3 2009, 12:22 PM

Well said. I agree completely



The positive and aggresive drive of life, along with the personality, career and financial status to back it up.

Definitely teh WINRAR.

I strive towards that.

...but it's not an epic fail

hahaha, you can declare what you want. Readers have a brain.

First you talk about datasets, then it was the handicapped, now it's about smoking and drinking.
Just to set the record straight, I have not mentioned anything about smoking and drinking...yet.

To pour fuel on the fire, I am going to say now, categorically that:

SMOKING (addicted) and DRINKING (alcohol, to excess.) makes a person less desirable to the opposite sex. This applies to both guys and girls. Because:

1) There are many girls who simply will not date guys who smoke.
2) Drinking can screw you up pretty easily. Not only brain cells die, but you become less masculine/feminine as it fvcks up your body chemistry as well.
3) There are some people who prefer partners who smoke/drink, but they are the exception not the norm.


Given a choice between A and B, with all other factors being the same, a great majority of people would choose the one that does not smoke/drink.

Of course, people only have that many choices in the game of love...We have to live with our partner's flaws. Some people have one leg, some people smoke, some people drink, some people compulsively wank (lol), and some people are stupid. NOBODY is perfect.


You can say what you like... that is my opinion.


To pour more fuel on the fire:


I probably wont mind if I am going out with a sizzling hot girl...who smokes.

What im trying to say is that NOBODY is perfect. We all tolerate each others flaws...so long as attractiveness can overcome those flaws.

So work to be the best you can be!

Be in the best physical, mental and emotional health possible.

Awesome.FTW!

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 3 2009, 02:50 PM

Passive my a$$.
1) Wait for girl to show interest (sublime eye contact, body posture)
2) Reciprocate when the girl starts talking to you.
3) Empathize, empathize, empathize.
4) Go out with her!!

IMO, it's all about devoting your thoughts and mental efforts into getting to know the girl as a human being. It is NOT passive. After initial contact, it's up to you to arrange dates etc. Build rapport. Take the lead. THe ball is at your feet.

If you never had girls (whom you find reasonably attractive) show this kind of interest towards you, you may have misunderstood what I'm talking about.

You did bring up a good point though. I will update my thread appropriately.

I never said zero. I said almost zero* if she is SIGNIFICANTLY taller and heavier than you. Note the word significantly. You know where you stand in the game of love. Im sure you with all your "experience" have tried to approach girls significantly taller and heavier than you.

*Does not apply in age of desperation (late 20's-mid 30s.)

YOU STUPID A$$.

NOBODY ever said that a guy who smokes cannot get married.

I was simply saying that generally, SMOKING makes a man, any man, less attractive to girls.

As i also mentioned like three times, EVERYONE has flaws... NOBODY is perfect. We all tolerate flaws in our partners (both platonic and romantic) to a certain degree.

Ok, I shall clarify. I am 23. I am currently not committed to anyone, and I am actively trying to up my game. I am sharing on this forum what I am certain works (for me at least). There are winners and losers in the game of love, and I intend to be one of the winners. To do so, means recognizing truth and taking active steps to be the absolute best that I can with what I have.

I am dead sure that if I were to start smoking, I will be less attractive to girls. You can argue this till the cows come home - I stand by EVERYTHING that I said - Healthy mind, healthy body, healthy emotional state.

You want to talk about experience? Add me on facebook. Search for Ezra Limm. I've already been contacted by a few other forumers.... and all I can say is that there is a lot of naivity around. The people who harp on exceptions are the ones who pin their hopes on them ;-)

Ultimately, they know where they stand in the game of love... and life will be the judge of the words they speak.


You wanna keep trying to date the girl one foot taller, and 5kg heavier than you? Fine. Nobody is stopping your active approach. But my bet is that it's not going to work unless you have compensated for it by being really really awesome in other aspects of life - being successful in career is one of them.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 4 2009, 08:05 AM

Hmm, well, every girl I have ever spoken to prefers guys who dont smoke. Given two guys who are exactly the same (eg. twins at a nightclub), one who smokes, the other doesnt... A girl will choose the non-smoker - unless she was a smoker herself.

I dont know the situation in Malaysia atm, but over here smoking has become pretty taboo...and very few girls smoke - especially the vane pretty ones

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Added on August 4, 2009, 8:12 amI prefer a girl who doesnt smoke too.

But if an attractive girl starts showing interest in me, I wouldnt mind even if she smoked.


Im sure the same thing is happening to girls. If an attractive guy starts showing interest in a girl, she probably wouldnt mind even if he smoked....unless she had other equally or more attractive guys who didnt smoke also show interest in her.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 4 2009, 08:12 AM

I think lostwanderer and happy4ever summarized it up nicely
Just because smoking makes you less desirable, it doesnt kill your chances.
But it definitely is a plus if you didnt smoke

As I said... I would definitely date a girl who smokes I find her attractive enough. Im sure the same goes for girls as well.

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Added on August 4, 2009, 4:14 pm4. Agree with what sane people are saying.
5. Disagree with what bitter people are saying.

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Added on August 4, 2009, 4:16 pmNo im not contradicting myself. Quote the whole paragraph next time

And btw, my balls are so big girls gravitate towards it. There is no need to approach when you are approached

lololol

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 4 2009, 04:24 PM

Look guys, I know I've really hit a nerve with some of the things i've said in the past.

Yet debbieyss' comment did strike a chord in me. I will be updating my article... in what shall hopefully be the last incarnation.


I realize that bringing up the role of traits that cannot be changed (eg. height) will piss some people off, and they will use everything to try to discredit me...probably because it makes them feel good.

So, Im going to eliminate that example.


Hopefully the fifth incarnation will be positive and inspiring and far more politically correct.

Very true.

When you are attractive to the opposite sex. You will find that many people will want to "grow in love" with you. There is a reason why attractive people get the right types of attention....and dont have the "always a friend, not a lover" dilemma.

Love grows, and humans are as picky as ever with who they fall in love with - both men and women.