if it was 120 per side, that would be 260kg and No, its 120 in total

Nobody counts 120KG per side. Only H&F LYN users use that method of counting. We count the bar and the plates. Honestly speaking? Ya know, why I think LYN users say "per side"? It's either;

1. We can't count to 10
2. We are using per'side to mask the tiny amount of weights lifted

Why be so shy about it? If that's your maximal abilities, well be proud about it.

and i agree completely about what you said about John's legs.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Sep 10 2009, 07:31 PM

Guys need advice on this.



How to improve on that area? It looks really weird to have boney wrist when other area are okay. Like cacat lor... Will wrist curl helps? Or am I doomed by genetics?

This post has been edited by emino: Sep 10 2009, 08:59 PM

People count the weight of the bar?! What?! This is news to me.

If I'm not mistaken, your wrist size is genetically determined. Its your forearms you can work on.

your muscle insertion points ends where you put the arrow is. gotta live with it


Chow

I guess the only way to make it look better is by having more fat huh?

No.
It's GENETICS. Muscle doesn't grow around that area unfortunately. Not much. You COULD strengthen the ligaments and tendons (but I think it barely even grows if at all) As for FAT. By the time it covers that area, you'd look like a bloated walrus.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Sep 10 2009, 10:50 PM

yea... tiny wrists are a b****...... ur bench press can even be limited somewhat .... but thats if u are already in the 100kg plus plus range... .... for us between 50kg and 80kg ppl... owh well .. if u can bench 100kg its respectable in my books

You have to quit believing that. This guy, look at the size of his wrists


Ok?

He jerks 202.5 kilos. I'm not joking. Size not strength. Not strength. Not strength. The theory of diminishing returns applies here, but when you aren't even close to maximal yet, the theory doesnt appyl.

O_O.... 202 kgs.......your coach did 160 the last vid right?...

theoretically , wouldnt larger wrists area count for better weight distribution ..meaning stability + strength ?

the direction of stress for a jerk movemnt would be a " seperating " movement ....but the stress on the wrist joint for a bench would be compression...

during your bench it would be optimal if your wrists dont move but during a jerk, u HAVE to move your wrist...

so if u consider a inverted pyramid and a rectangle with the weight on both apexes.....the force applied to a larger base would definitely mean better stability and control if compared with the smaller wrist....also i am referring to compressive forces...

hence i come to my conclusion that larger wrists would enable a person to lift heavier past the point of connective tissue tolerance..


pss.... do correct my if my assumptions are wrong...dude...theory of diminishing returns?...care to explain.. i googled it....ended up shait deep in economics...not my cup a tea...

This post has been edited by braindead_fr3ak: Sep 11 2009, 12:04 AM

NO, thats one of the least area for fat deposit. as i said. live with it


Chow

susah jugak pizza cuz like me, i squat 50kg's per side and i dunno the rounded numbers cuz i dunno the bar's weight
i assume its 12kg's cuz its the normal long bar on the squat rack
i dont think its 20kg's sebab its not an oly bar
if i assume then its 112kg's?

and currently i do 100-110kg's per sides for standing calf rise per sides on smith machines
do i count in the bar's weight or i just say my calf raise is 200kgs?

agreed
some of my gym mates have puny wrists but raw strength is phenomenal
they bench 60kg's with BB and thats already my second sets punye poundages (i start at 50kgs)

Smaller wrist size will contrast with your forearms and make your forearms look bigger. Can't do much about the wrist, because it's just bone and tendons.

emino, we're same..i have the same wrist too...haha...btw, i'm still too curious on how you get those triceps...they're huge..at least for me.

That is alot. Try doing calf raises on a regular squat rack with 110kg on each side, i'd love to see a vid of that

When we handle limit weights, we almost never get the separation you're talking about. The only time there is separation is when you're handling baby weights like about 70-80%. Also you must consider that we have assistance exercises like push presses and overhead presses which is quite alike the bench in terms of wrist stresses. In fact, even more as we are forced to balance a dynamic weight overhead. As we all know, dynamic force is much harder to control than static pressure. And occasionally I do bench (maybe once a year) and I come close to about 110KG with tiny wrists. No problem.

Now I understand how you're taking biomechanics and physics and adding it together. Excellent stuff.
Now you need to add another variable into your theory. Tensile strength. You wouldn't put a four 5" stick to hold a car up but you wouldn't have much qualms about putting four 1" titanium rod to hold up your car right?

OF course, with all things being equal, then the larger wrist guy would probably be able to handle maximum weights better, but it is not that huge a factor. It's the bone density that matters here. Let's take an example.
If you had to, would you take a turning kick from a bodybuilder who is giant with huge skeletal structure. Or would you take a turning kick from a seasoned muay thai fighters. [Note: In a demonstration, a Muay Thai fighter broke wooden bats like they were toothpicks and bent the metal ones. ]

As for theory of diminishing returns, increased muscle can make us stronger and faster. But only to a certain level. Then it stops giving the advantages. Then you need to take steps such as CNS routing, speed training, explosive power, maximal strength training. Stuff like that.

At extreme weights, EVERYTHING counts. But for bodybuilders, it's about size not weights.

IF you do 100KG per side, you say 212KG.
If you do 110KG per side, you say 232KG.
You add the bar.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Sep 11 2009, 09:05 AM

On Monday I saw an display of all that is wrong with bodybuilders. There was this guy, previously very thin (they have this look, so you can tell), but who spent a year in the gym or so. He was walking to Murni in SS2. In a sleeveless body hugging shirt. (Only bodybuilders wear such shirts.) And like so many other gym goers, all that bench pressing has totally hunched his upper back/shoulders.

It was grotesque.

1. Do not wear such a shirt, regardless of your body. Have some modesty and taste.

2. Pull back your shoulder blades when you bench press, and alternate it with the overhead press.

your upper body is nice...i think among the best here in LYN...about your lacking, you'll know what to do...keep it up brah