xx

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Aug 4 2009, 04:52 PM

i think you left out something ...

Wow another one of these threads?

I admire your persistence but being overly persistence can be annoying

Nevertheless your sir just won 2 items for your effort
Please click the spoiler below to claim your items



And you can now join the elitist rank of....




This post has been edited by ^Hobbes^: Jul 25 2009, 09:50 AM

Awww.. thank you thank you


I am trying to make the thread more politically correct. This time i used as few negatives as possible. I've integrated some suggestions. and I also tried to make it more succinct and to the point. I dont think i can simplify it any further.

Congratulations.

An awsome award from Hobbes.

There's no theory in love, alright?

Both can ignite the spark or break up for any reasons.

Unrealistic and incomplete. Some of us here really clueless about what a girl look for, how can we rely on our deluded perception to wether or not we'll actually get a date. For example Bernard will always think he fails unless he wears clothes make out of real gold.

And yet there are those who think they know what girls want...look in the mirror...see everything as awesome...yet fail miserably because what he thinks only applies to his own misconception of what a girl would really think.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Jul 25 2009, 10:31 AM

Read carefully: Nobody is giving a "theory" for love.

The thread is really about how to approach women.

Love blossoms when it blossoms. This thread is not about that.



I gotta admit, this thread isnt for everyone... But for a majority of people, just looking at candid videos of themselves is uncomfortable. You get to see yourself compared to other people.


Even if you dont know what girls want... you should know what you want.
and I am not just talking about physical characteristics here.
The whole "look at yourself in the mirror" was kinda rhetorical in a way.


Eg:

If the guy staring back at you in the mirror is an effeminate/feminine shy scrawny frail emo b1tch....

If the guy staring back at you in the mirror is an obese, disproportionate, lazy, smelly excuse for a human being...

If the guy you see in candid facebook videos cant even project his voice properly...slouches with no confidence and talks like a loser...




^realizing stuff like the above is the real motivator for change.


Some people really ARE deluded... but most arent. And upon looking at themselves from a third person's view, will recognize their weaknesses.


I am far from perfect. But not too long ago I was very far from perfect ... seriously. The catalyst for change exists in self awareness.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 25 2009, 10:50 AM

You should put a disclaimer saying this thread is not for everyone. A fat obese guy may be happy and manage to attract lots of girls with his happy aura alone....followed your advice...look in the mirror and start to feel like a loser..gets depressed...hates himself...lose his happy aura...lost all girls...and die lonely. You want to be responsible for that?

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Jul 25 2009, 10:56 AM

Your recent David de Angelo inspiration, ezra?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 25 2009, 12:07 PM

Nice motive, but I have serious doubts over it working. A lot of the people who come in here posting new threads asking for help are so delusional that you just want to take your keyboard and whack them extremely hard on the face, so they probably won't even get past #1.

It's not unrealistic. It's not deluded perception or whatsoever for most of the stuff about our personality. It's more to common sense. Through life we have learned it through our various experiences.

If a guy looks into the mirror and think that he's freaking awesome from the bottom of his heart. I highly doubt he'll be unable to get a girl. This do not apply to those people who think they're awesome but do not trust that they're awesome in their heart. If the person believes truthfully that he/she's being awesome, they automatically have the confidence to approach a relationship, regardless of what their weakness are.

That being said, it's obviously unrealistic that the love will surely be returned even if you're confident and being awesome alone. But, at least it's the starting point. Relationships are based on various things and it's cannot be conducted experimentally and there's no R&D on this field. This is what makes relationship exciting.

hmmmm.....maybe i'll pin one thread that links to good threads. maybe. but then i'll have a problem of consistently updating threads and figuring which is a "good" thread.

nah, I bet he doesn't even know who's David de Angelo and the book he wrote.
actually the book double your date by de angelo is a good read for all of you. we all appreciate what TS and others have suggested. Just that David is a pro and he actually knows his stuffs well.

Again, to say that ugly person, fat person, poor person can't get a girl that he likes, i think that's quite untrue. Haven't you all see the picture of a taiwanese fat boy kissing a cute girl? I meant to say other than having confidence, i think skills is more important which has not been pointed out by TS.

everything begins with a choice, if u have guts and courage, then just go for it.

At least you r a warrior.

Just not this thread.Please.

not this kind of thread again...

Okay, okay, stop teasing us already.
Show us some of the girls you've approached.

Can't I just stage a "hero saves a damsel in distress" moment with my friends?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 25 2009, 06:36 PM

LOL..
nice setting to pick,btw...
guess u hv a damsel in mind???

thanks for this advise bro. i will do this tips

the tips no 1 is the most important but yet there will be someone who think that they doesnt deserve a girl although he have a look. how to resolve this low self esteem problem?

The damsel must be rich, so I can ask for RM 1,000,000 reward later! Muahahaha!

Seconded that.

Hobbes FTW

Lol, all spamming out of topicses.

Well at least he posted some statements (useful or not up to you) not retarded-but-entertaining-yet-trolling questions. So yeah.

Lol, that sounded delirious.

Some questions are that WTFfacepalm.jpg-provoking to me

LOL!!

yes it is

This post has been edited by vivienne85: Jul 25 2009, 08:03 PM

would this apply to just making frens?

lol... the first step to getting ur dream girl or guy..

the first step is the ONLY step.

stop listening to advice on forums.. lol.. seriously..

do what u think u should do. and if it doesnt work out. change it and try again... trial and error baby.

Great stuff. Adding extra pointers.

Body Check -
When to people are really making a connection, they tend to mimic each others' gestures and voice levels.

Signs your date is going well: Watch to see if you find your date is mirroring your gestures, a strong indicator that the date is on-track. Another positive signal is if your date is leaning towards you as you speak. Other good signs to watch for including nodding and tilting the head to the side as you are speaking, an indicator your date is interested in what you have to say.

Danger sign: If your date is crossing his or her arms while you're speaking, it is generally a sign of resistance or anger.


Flirting or Faking? -
Key signs your date is interested include smiling, extended eye contact and biting or licking the lip. (theirs, not yours... duh??) Another key signal for both sexes is low-level non-sexual touching such as a brush of the elbow, arm or leg.

Signs your date is going well: The classic flirting move is the crossing or uncrossing of the legs, brushing their hair, grooming each other.

Danger sign: Keep an eye out for flirting that isn't accompanied by other "I like you" behaviors - this can indicate a purely sexual, not romantic interest.

Pin it, I don't care.

make frens also need a guide meh?

Agreed. If there is your "be yourself" point then what about the others? The others is about changing, not being yourself. All you gotta do is be the best you can be. basically, enhance who you are, not who you are trying to be.

honestly if I see a shy guy approaching me I'd still be flattered, so long as his intentions are pure. Have the guts, approach the girl. If she likes talking to you you'll know. If not, you'll get it too. It's about guts. After approaching her and greeting her, almost everything will flow naturally. Gd luck

This post has been edited by Jamien: Jul 25 2009, 11:47 PM

^See red bolded text: That's what I've been saying all along!


So Jamien... Let me ask you... What if a "brave" guy with lots of "guts" were to approach you at a social f unction. But he is 10cm+ shorter than you, and 5kg lighter. His intentions were as pure as anything. He's in his late 20s and has never been in a relationship. He is desperate. He talks well. He has good social skills. He has lots of friends. You find him interesting to talk to. Then, he asks you to dance... will you accept??? Sure, you're flattered...but at the end of the day, you do not consider him a potential partner (i am assuming you are a reasonably attractive woman with options).


Im not telling anyone to be more outgoing or more shy.
You are who you are.
Just like you cant generally change your height/skin color, you cannot change your personality type.

It's not about being outgoing or shy. It is about being the best that you can be. Developing masculine features...both physical and mental. If you are thriving, things will flow naturally for you....regardless if you are outgoing or shy... It simply doesnt matter.

I'd like to think it's all about guts...but in reality it simply isnt. Guys who have guts do so because they are thriving. It shows in their personality. They know that girls want them. Thus they are confident and have "guts".


The socially incompetant loser who doesnt go out much, has few friends, feeds himself crap, and wanks to tentacle porn every night would be nervous around girls...because he KNOWS consciously/subconsciously that girls dont find him attractive. Even if he did have "guts" (as you call it), and were to approach a girl with confidence...he knows that he couldnt maintain a decent conversation.

Hence my emphasis on #2. Physical, mental and emotional wellbeing.

Also, even if you are the bravest guy in the world... it is very difficult to aim out of your league. Sure you can try...but you know it wouldnt work. So yeah, pick your targets wisely... You know what you are game for.

Look, the game of love is cruel... but this is reality as I see it. You cannot change your height... but you can develop your personality and body. Physical, mental and emotional wellbeing will all make you a more attractive person to girls. When you are attractive you will find that more girls will want to talk to you. Or as Jamien herself puts it "If she likes talking to you you'll know."

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 12:34 AM

Exactly what i said on the other thread!

i really really like Jamien and yeah i said i like you on the other thread too
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1104460/+40

This post has been edited by teongpeng: Jul 26 2009, 12:30 AM

Oh For Fvck Sake...let's not get caught in semantics here:

USE WHATEVER WORDS YOU WANT IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPY.

I dont know why you people are so sensitive to the word "change".

Anyway:
1) Change yourself.
2) Enhance yourself.
3) Improve yourself.

If you are scrawny, then change/enhance/improve yourself by eating well and exercising.
If you are socially isolated, then change/enhance/improve yourself by going out more and empathizing.
If you cannot seem to hold a conversation, then change/enhance/improve yourself by controlling your bad habits (eg. late night gaming), sleep well and be in a healthy mental state.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 12:39 AM

Blah blah blah,you just like to make things so complex.

You have no definition of thriving.So,is a good student considered as thriving? Or a man who just started his business and doing well? What happens if one arent a good student or doing badly in his business? They dont deserve to have someone and deserve to die alone?

Besides,a person who is not thriving now,doesnt mean that that person will not thrive in the future.On the other hand,a person who is thriving now doesnt mean he will still thrive 10 years from now.Things change with time and shit happens.

So,now,i have to think am i thriving? Am i 5 cm shorter than the girl i like?

Why bother to make life so complicated? If life is so complicated,i might as well dig a hole and bury myself then.

Your threads never helped anyone and you never have the intention to help anyone.You are just trying to belittle people with lower confidence.Make them feel like shit.Make them overanalyse a situation and screw their lives.You never talk about be yourself and just plaigarise other forumer's idea because their ideas arent so bitter to swallow.

In the end,you are just a guy who sits behind a computer and think out all these "theories".Just a keyboard warrior.Thats why you never want to reveal your love life,because you dont have one and always worry about this and that.

Ezra, something about communication you have to understand is that delivery is often more important than content. You have your points, but how you deliver them may undermine its potential or even worse, its actual meaning.

I think if something needs to be pinned up for guys, it should be this: http://artofmanliness.com/

seriously...
I got bored reading some of its content.
I rather watch Oprah four times a day.
but you're right with the 'delivery'. It is much more to the attitude of the delivery.

Ezra, your ideas are pretty good in the sense that everyone with confidence, attracts people. But seriously I don't know if you agree that wanting to approach someone requires more than that.
And one thing that I wished not to correct, but I think every person needs to know that the fictional character "Hitch" never taught his client to date someone "his own league" and then regret why he did not try to date someone that he really want to be with.
Honestly I've read one of your post you've mentioned David de Angelo. If you idolize him why not you read his book? I've read and I can tell that your methods are enough just to approach a girl, but not enough to start a relationship.

TS , do u think that actually people can get it from internet? isnt that too basic? lets have some pua terminology here.

So that's why they say, "Those who can't, teach".

AHA!

And you're saying "be yourself"?

u still can b urself after changes/enhancement/improvement...

u dun hv to fake anything...u r still u r wat u r...just, a better u compared to previous u...it's a good thing i would say...

for those who refuse to embrace d idea of changes/enhance/improvement...u can always stay in ur stoneage...just a quote i find quite true...

“In times of change learners inherit the earth while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists.” Eric Hoffer

man.....do you REALLY need a guide to approach girls?

Man..this is kinda gay....

It ain't hard to approach people, just have confidence. Geeezzz

I don't understand why this is a "danger sign".

everybody talking about confidence...den where d hell dis confidence comes from???

it must b from some qualities u already hv...

just for those who find themselves having less of these qualities...it's time to buck up and improve...get more skill or watever shit...

I didn't get real confidence until there came points in time where I was tested to my limits. And I'm not just talking about getting grades or winning first place kind of thing or army bootcamps where you stay awake for three days. I'm talking about situations where if you lose, you DIE, or a person you care about DIES.

This put a LOT of things into perspective. For all my faults and flaws, no matter how "uncool" I was and all the horrible pratfalls I've made in life... I realised I had inherent worth because I stood up and took action where few people would or could, and the times I did so really did mean something.

There isn't one defining quality of worthiness. Being human means being a part of this diversity of human experience, desire and ability. I believe that everybody has a part to play (even though most of the time in my posts I sound like a lunatic "ultra") in this world, and that every life is worth something.

I wouldn't go so far as to suggest what the world could be like if every person on earth truly believed in themselves and their manifest destiny. I would only suggest that perhaps an individual who gives him or herself a real chance in this regard would truly see his/her quality of life improving significantly.

---

Added on July 26, 2009, 4:55 amWell, Ezra admitted himself that writing all of this is just a personal hobby for him. He probably intends to make money from this.

If I were to criticise or give feedback to somebody I would rather do so for a person that really gives a damn about who his writings are meant for.

Which is why I'm no longer saying a single significant thing in any of his posts or threads now.

This post has been edited by Dickson Poon: Jul 26 2009, 04:55 AM

RE: Plagiarism
These ideas are my own. I have been blogging about similar themes for some time now.

RE: Meaning of the word "thriving"
I use the word as it is used in the English language. Please refer to any conventional dictionary.

Look, I dont mind whatever ad hominems you throw at me, but that claim (large bolded text^) is not true.

RE: Bolded text above^

I speak as a 23 year old whom, just like everyone else, is trying to make the most out of his life. I have personally experienced a very severe eating disorder (I was 45kg/174cm at one point) and I saw the game of love from an underdog's perspective in my late teens.

As I overcame my eating disorder, and put real emphasis into making myself a better man, by eating well, exercising, sleeping well, and mixing and mingling... I realized how women would interact with me differently.

I share what I know from experience. I speak with conviction that being successful/thriving in life will show not only in your physical body, but also your mind and emotional state as well. It's not about being outgoing or shy. It is about thriving, knowing that your life has purpose and drive. When you walk your own path, women will notice it. It's really hard to explain, but at the end of the day, it is what seems to really work. I dont believe in pickup lines or anything superficial/temporary. I believe in core values that are universally appreciated not just by women, but by people as a whole.

When you embrace the world and all it's realities. No escapism: When you dont hide behind fantasy (games/anime/manga) and become mature of mind. When you dont give yourself soothing lies that deviate you from the truth. When you expunge the childish fears that hold you back. You start to take control of your life...and when you do so, you will find the strength to make real changes in your life. You no longer see the world through rose tinted glasses. Your personality develops/changes/matures/improves (whatever word you want to use).

Women seem to have a sixth sense. They know if you are mature of mind the minute you open your mouth. The way you carry yourself also changes. I cannot explain it...but im sure other men have walked the same path.

Believe it or not, I do write with the intent of helping others. And I believe that self-actualization is the first step in self improvement.

Now look, different people will have different experiences...and im sure my experiences may not apply to you and probably some others. If you have experiences you would like to share... or lessons learnt from experiences... I look forward to hearing them, for diversity of ideas is always good.


RE: Ad hominems / personal attacks / flames
I would appreciate restraint in using personal attacks. I dont want this thread to become a flamewar. Do know that it reflects on the mentality of the person using them.

RE: My personal life
I have never disclosed my personal life on this forum as I post with my real name. Yes, I am really Ezra Limm. I do discuss my personal life online, but on a different forum, and with a pseudonym.

RE: WHy I write
This is a hobby. I write on my free time. I am quite busy in real life and sometimes it's just nice to forget about work and social commitments and give myself time to think and write. Why do people paint? Why do people write songs? Why do people go into photography? Why do writers write? lol... perhaps it's a calling.. but at the end of the day, i just like to write


Dickson Poon:

Yeah, I do hope to get this published one day. THe first version (v1: what girls really want in a man) and the second version (v2: the real game of love), were far far far too crude for publishing. This is my third attempt. I have removed as much of the negatives as posible. I try to avoid making people feel bad....though I think i have reached the limit of what is possible - for the message has to get through in the end. This is the third version of the article... it is no longer a wall of text, and is a lot more positive than v1 and v2.

---

Added on July 26, 2009, 11:59 amThanks for the feedback!


I cant stand david de angelo. He blabbers waaaaaay to much and frankly, he's not a very good public speaker. He's just not very charismatic and doesnt hold people's attention well...and reads off a script most of the time.


I've only watched a few of his videos.


The one below provided the inspiration for this article:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--I4_huH9Rc


This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 12:00 PM

Right. I find him a better conveyor in his points compared to yours.

Dude. Watch his other videos.. The full ones. Im telling ya. His points could be summarized in like 2mins...for every half hour of blabbering.

but he still does a better job at communicating it than you are

Exactly my point. Yes I admit he is dull in his presentation most of the time, but he still manage to get the point across.

I have to add that david deangelo deals with different content from what I am doing.

Go watch his videos. Summarize his points. Im sure they are differernt from mine.

Look, david's videos are more acceptable as he never touches on sensitive issues. What he speaks is true... There are ways and mannerisms that women do find attractive. But I go one level deeper than that. IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, there is only so much that "guts" and "mannerisms" and "posture" could do in increasing your chances with women. At the end of the day it still boils down to the ability to convey an image of success in life. David avoids this as his customers are all paying to see his shows...and he sure as hell doesnt want anyone to feel bad.

I focus on the individual. The core person.

David does eventually touch on similar themes as me.... but he sugar coats it in 1hr+ speeches.

Bottom line end of the day: women dont like losers.

The difference between me and david is that I focus on the characteristics of people who are thriving in life. Something that david wouldnt do directly in front of paying customers. He can talk till the cows come home about confidence, being well groomed, well mannered, having a good posture, and conveying self-worth.... It does not change the fact that underlying all those core elements is physical, mental and emotional wellbeing.


What david deangelo talks about is really easy to follow only IF you are already thriving physically, mentally and emotionally. A hapless loser will not be able to follow david's advice even though he feels good listening to it and reading about it.

David Deangelo avoids talking about those core issues to his paying customers as he KNOWS that many people will be hurt. So yeah. If you want to focus on talking about the superficial because it doesnt hurt your sensitive fragile egos, then go watch David Deangelo. like I said, this thread is not for everyone.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 01:52 PM

Have you asked a woman's opinion about this?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 26 2009, 02:01 PM

I think there's a point you are missing. for starters, you are communicating with written words. So your words have to be presented in a way that people will want to read it, is quick to understand and is willing to accept.

The way you frame and present your points is very important as it relates to how people interpret it. I would know. I'm a journalism graduate.

Also, we do not have anything to gain by opposing your ideals or criticizing your work. When we say it's over simplified or too generalized, we mean it as a fact.

You've written "face the truth". Now it's time you face the truth. Your work is still flawed. Reality is harsh man.

---

Added on July 26, 2009, 2:08 pm of course not. I've already stressed that in his other thread. Or maybe ezra is secretly a woman?

This post has been edited by Jamien: Jul 26 2009, 02:08 PM

Lol, a woman doesn't go OVER-analytical lar.

Oh, so he's one of the men still trying to figure women out? Lol it'll never work. Reason being that women and men are different. You don't have to understand women to please women and attract women.

So this is a case of the blind trying to lead the blind. Or maybe ezra is imagining himself as a woman and what kinda approach men take with him will make him say yes?

Yeah, you know Jamien, I will like to participate but...I need to show empathy and side with my fellow genders.

So now I forbid you to be so harsh on him now.

Fine. I just feel it's silly that he doesn't realize that he's also blind as well. Men can't understand women anymore than women can understand men. A good man is not a man who thinks he knows everything about women, but a man who treats women well with all the knowledge he does know about them.

ACTUALLY...I do know a few important things about women though.

I respect your opinion.

Now, I do also appreciate constructive feedback. No ad hominems. If you disagree with any part of the article, do let me know.

---

Added on July 26, 2009, 3:28 pmWoa.What a claim. FFS do you ppl get kicks for putting words in my mouth?

Anyway,I have never claimed to understand women. I still dont. And I probably never will.

That said, I do know what women seem to like in men whom they consider as potential romantic partners.

eg.
1) Men who are secure (emotionally/financially/mentally)
2) Men who know their path/purpose in life.
3) Men who are physically thriving and are reasonably well built (not necessarily muscular, but not frail or too obese)
4) Men who are mentally sound and intellegent - the minute they open their mouth it shows
5) Men who are connected...with friends and support networks. It adds to their personality


...and what women dont like as potential romantic partners:

1) Men who are insecure.
2) Men who are both shorter and lighter than they are.
3) Men who are mentally not thriving... lack of friends.. too much fantasy... lack of social life... it shows when they open their mouths.
4) Men who are not connected...lack of friends and support networks... no personality development.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 03:34 PM

What about women-abstract-emotional-factors? The very difference how they women are less visual-creature oriented as how most men are.

I agree completely on this one.
Women place less emphasis on physical appearances than men.

They SENSE a man's self-worth. Not just by physical appearances, but by the way the man interacts and projects himself to the world.

The man who is in control of his life and is THRIVING, with lots of friends, a healthy body, a healthy mind and a healthy social life, will USUALLY be attractive to women...

Just like men want to know more about the pretty/hot girls...women want to know more about MEN who are as described above^

The boy who hasnt yet grown up....eats shit, doesnt exercise, reads manga all day, plays games till 4am everyday, and doesnt go out much, and has almost no friends, will be quite unattractive. Not only reflected by his physical appearance... but by his mind, and ability to maintain conversations... the ability to empathize, click and connect will suffer if you dont have enough sleep and social interaction.

Just like nobody seems to want to ask the ugly girls out for a date... women simply dont want to get to know more about BOYS who are as described above^


LOVE IS BLIND. Attractiveness really doesnt matter when it comes to true love.


BUT

Women are very picky with who they fall in love with...just as guys are very picky with who they are willing to ask out on a date.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 03:46 PM

You were right until you elaborate the details of a man's self-worth.

A man's self-worth is not something objective you can look at.

Get it?

By a broad generalization though, he is right! hahaha. True enough the very point of 'how to approach a girl' isn't actually soemthing you can deduce logically and objectively, so any 'guide' given in CC in essence must be based on a broad generalisation, otherwise there will be no 'general' faq we can provide.

Okay, we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one


I think that a man's self worth is determined by:

1) Physical well being
2) Mental well being
3) Emotional well being
4) Career and security


They are all subjective things. But ya get the jist of the message.

---

Added on July 26, 2009, 3:57 pmActually, I was not sure if the title "how to approach" a girl is even suitable given the contents of the thread. I was simply oout of ideas on that one. Perhaps you could give some suggestions on what a title should be.

If you notice... it's really about how to get girls to want to approach you

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 26 2009, 04:03 PM

Not exactly. An arsehole, a jackarse, and a shameless vagabond can have self-worth too, no matter how negative they can be looked upon.

As I said, those features are SUBJECTIVE!!!

Arseholes and jackarses and vagabonds may have other features that compensate for their inadequacies.. NOBODY IS PERFECT.

The arsehole may have a body to die for...and the aura of confidence and masculinity that make girls sweat.

Like I said, don't bring in objectivities.

like???

Like...(scroll down)

























































































































THEY'RE COMPLICATED!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ouch, head hurts, lol.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 26 2009, 04:12 PM

oh ffs stop nitpicking.

that was just an example.


The core reasoning that a man's self worth is determined by those four SUBJECTIVE characteristics still stands.

But SUBJECTIVITY is SUBJECTIVITY. Those four are your concluding points to a man's subjectivity, which four conclusions implies such in a way that's objectivity, leaving no room for further subjectivities.

yes they are(which includes me..)

Go away lar you. Where's your lou kong?

u ask me...i ask who le???
all i know he's bz....

u bully me, i'll report to him later..

This post has been edited by vivienne85: Jul 26 2009, 04:24 PM

Lol, don't derail other ppl's topic now.

you derail 1st 1 le...

anyways...CONFIDENCE is the key to make girls want to know you(for any guys)

So lanci, you go and make a new thread lor, lol.

dun want to waste my time to create these kinds of threads(which i think they are aplenty in this forum)

whateverla.

He aint nitpicking, you just can't seem to stick to a single point. Every time people challenge something you write, you change things a bit, you've change to the point you're either contradicting yourself or it seems that you don't really have a point to make anymore.


A man's self worth is judged by none other than the man himself. This is what you keep failing to understand.

Ezra. Maybe...it's time to stop writing to us? Instead of saying IMHO, put your ideas to the test, and then explain your moments and experience acquired.

Men who are busy at DOING SOMETHING in real life WILL HAVE NO TIME WRITING in a forum.